Mechanical doping. Wow.
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German opera composer from the 19th century. Most famous for writing this music (which admittedly is very good): https://vimeo.com/85066050Joelsim wrote:Twitter: @RichN950 -
:shock: Explains your penchant for Flying Dutchmen. A counterpoint to his more 'political' works, Wagner composed this for the birth of his son, Siegfried, hiding a string band under the stairs for the first homecoming.RichN95 wrote:I'm named after Richard Wagner. My dad's a big fan. (I'm not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds7sikMNoCk...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Who's Aaron?
Son of lazy parents?
This forum needs an Index of characters. Not knowing Richard Wagner is, perhaps, understandable. But Aaron Brown did more to discredit the Doperati than any man alive....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Macaloon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who's Aaron?
Son of lazy parents?
This forum needs an Index of characters. Not knowing Richard Wagner is, perhaps, understandable. But Aaron Brown did more to discredit the Doperati than any man alive.
'Big deals' exclusively on the Internet = things Rick couldn't give a sh!t about.0 -
Close. Actually a surprise birthday present for Cosima, six months after Siegfried's birth... unless I've misunderstood, and they'd left Siefried hidden away for six months somewhere after his birth in June...Macaloon wrote:
:shock: Explains your penchant for Flying Dutchmen. A counterpoint to his more 'political' works, Wagner composed this for the birth of his son, Siegfried, hiding a string band under the stairs for the first homecoming.RichN95 wrote:I'm named after Richard Wagner. My dad's a big fan. (I'm not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds7sikMNoCk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Idyll
Anyway, apart from pedantry, it's just about the only bit of Wagner I can stomach.0 -
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He was a Valkyrie man, from memory.briantrumpet wrote:
(Top pedantry, btw)...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Seems like he had relations who were into bikes though...Macaloon wrote:
He was a Valkyrie man, from memory.briantrumpet wrote:
(Top pedantry, btw)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Motorcycle_Company
... though if they were trying to pass this off as a bicycle, I think they hadn't quite got the engine quite well-enough disguised.0 -
I'm very confused, I thought this was an April fools and then I saw the date. I thought the tech for concealed electric motors was already there?0
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briantrumpet wrote:Seems like he had relations who were into bikes though...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Motorcycle_Company
... though if they were trying to pass this off as a bicycle, I think they hadn't quite got the engine quite well-enough disguised.
More subtle than the version the Hungarian bloke has produced and which some are saying is indetectable.
As for Wagner, his brother Robert is still riding for Lotto Jumbo.0 -
With an immortal at the controls, Wagner tubing sounds amazing. Shatner's Bassons it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_tuba...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
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I'd never admit to having Shatner's Bassons and certainly not whilst in the company of women.Macaloon wrote:With an immortal at the controls, Wagner tubing sounds amazing. Shatner's Bassons it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_tuba'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
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I'd never admit to having Shatner's Bassons and certainly not whilst in the company of women.Macaloon wrote:With an immortal at the controls, Wagner tubing sounds amazing. Shatner's Bassons it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_tuba
I may occasionally have claimed to have some Jean Luc Besson, but only to impress women.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Bo Duke wrote:
I'd never admit to having Shatner's Bassons and certainly not whilst in the company of women.Macaloon wrote:With an immortal at the controls, Wagner tubing sounds amazing. Shatner's Bassons it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_tuba
I may occasionally have claimed to have some Jean Luc Besson, but only to impress women.
Ah, The Big Blue. One of my favourite films. Jean Reno is unbelievably cool.0 -
Given some motors are only 1.5mm wide (usually for aeronautical and medical use) plus you also have energy production systems that use 'wiggle' motion and even vibrations to generate electricity it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
A marginal gain is still a gain at the top level.0 -
tonyf34 wrote:Given some motors are only 1.5mm wide (usually for aeronautical and medical use) plus you also have energy production systems that use 'wiggle' motion and even vibrations to generate electricity it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
A marginal gain is still a gain at the top level.
Great idea use the vibrational and torsional energy from the bike and rider for power...for my next trick I'm going to build an electric car run by generators in the front wheels using the cars motion to create power to recharge batteries that run motors in the rear wheels"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:tonyf34 wrote:Given some motors are only 1.5mm wide (usually for aeronautical and medical use) plus you also have energy production systems that use 'wiggle' motion and even vibrations to generate electricity it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
A marginal gain is still a gain at the top level.
Great idea use the vibrational and torsional energy from the bike and rider for power...for my next trick I'm going to build an electric car run by generators in the front wheels using the cars motion to create power to recharge batteries that run motors in the rear wheels
Not entirely fair, tonyf34 is talking about recycling waste energy, of which there is a lot. Plenty of vehicles have systems to do this, such as flywheels loaded by braking. Sky's suspension on their K8s could be used to do this, for instance, without requiring any extra energy input, the physics would be quite simple.
Not that it's in any way feasible to create a system that could do this to generate enough power to propel a bike a bike AND manage to hide it. Could be good for a self powered Power meter though.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
So firstly you don't understand physics and then rely on Wiki to give you a reply that doesn't make sense in relation to what I actually said..well done to you, I'm sure you feel much better to get that off your chest 8)mididoctors wrote:tonyf34 wrote:Given some motors are only 1.5mm wide (usually for aeronautical and medical use) plus you also have energy production systems that use 'wiggle' motion and even vibrations to generate electricity it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
A marginal gain is still a gain at the top level.
Great idea use the vibrational and torsional energy from the bike and rider for power...for my next trick I'm going to build an electric car run by generators in the front wheels using the cars motion to create power to recharge batteries that run motors in the rear wheels0 -
I think the point is not for the motor to completely power the bike, a small device that could offer an additional 10, 20 watts is pretty good over a race distance though...0
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The point is not the power of the motor or how much assistance it can offer, the point is that this whole thread was started by an article implying you can get that sort of performance from something "undetectable", something that can't be found even if the bike is sliced up into tiny little pieces. In reality a motor and battery package able to supply any significant power for any length of time is going to be very easy to spot, and as such is utterly useless for any pro rider.0
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Exactly. I remember when the allegations about Canc were doing the rounds back in 2010 I think I saw figures along the lines of 20W for 2-3 minutes. Enough to make the difference sure, and something to worry about there was a credible source for the suggestion.
But the idea that you can have a bike motor that is undetectable is absurd. I mean, difficult to detect? Fine. But there has been random x-rays of bikes since 2010/2011 and nothing has been turned up, and the suggestion in the OP is bordering on science-fiction (it might actually be the whole way into fiction tbh - I only gave it the cursory glance it barely deserved). And all for a couple of hundred grand. Bargain.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Cycling Tips test out one of these motors.
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/04/hidde ... they-work/0 -
dish_dash wrote:Cycling Tips test out one of these motors.
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/04/hidde ... they-work/
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*goes off to check bank account for funds*It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
I just read that and was about to come and alert this thread. I particularly liked their pitch to the female market in helping the ladies keep up with their 'male training partners'.Correlation is not causation.0
