Mechanical doping. Wow.

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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    WTF are Equipe playing at then.

    Essentially someone has invented a proton drive (my frame of reference for this is obvs Star Trek) and the only use anyone can think of is a slight speed increase in pro bike races.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    It's probably based on the latest in magnetics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbZu8Ekn6dE

    This would also explain the recent rash of pile-ups, and people holding Cancellara's wheel in more comfort these days.
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  • philwint
    philwint Posts: 763
    Do you have any idea how infeasible that is? An engine and battery that can be packed into a few cubic cm (or less?), that makes no noise and can supply enough power for enough time to make a difference to a pro cyclist?

    So a bugger for pro cycling, but the entire world's energy crisis solved in one swoop! The oil producing nations economies are collapsing, fuel prices plummeting, and the global warming lobby cheering in the streets....
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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Gweeds wrote:
    WTF are Equipe playing at then.

    Essentially someone has invented a proton drive (my frame of reference for this is obvs Star Trek) and the only use anyone can think of is a slight speed increase in pro bike races.
    Yes, sadly there are absolutely no potential industrial applications for such a technology, so they were forced to resort to helping cyclists cheat instead.
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    adr82 wrote:
    Gweeds wrote:
    WTF are Equipe playing at then.

    Essentially someone has invented a proton drive (my frame of reference for this is obvs Star Trek) and the only use anyone can think of is a slight speed increase in pro bike races.
    Yes, sadly there are absolutely no potential industrial applications for such a technology, so they were forced to resort to helping cyclists cheat instead.

    Now you've said that it makes absolute sense.

    Case closed. They're all at it.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    If this had been going on for 17 years, would we not have heard it by now? I mean, it's not like the big cheaters have kept quiet in the last couple of years..
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    One of the furries in the Froome's Cat thread needs to give poor Joel a hug...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    ddraver wrote:
    One of the furries in the Froome's Cat thread needs to give poor Joel a hug...

    Preferably not the one that looks like rasmussen
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Joelsim wrote:
    The gist of the article is that the motors are so small and silent that they can be hidden anywhere and no-one would be able to detect them even if they took the whole bike apart.

    Bwaha ha aha ha!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    So in summary,

    We have a Hungarian engineer of whom there no other references....
    with technology for which there are no patents....
    building bikes which no-one has ever seen....

    And the self-described 'sceptics' lap it up.

    At least the Loch Ness tourist board had the decency to provide a grainy photo.
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  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    So the premise is you give this strange geeky bloke €150K and he makes you ride like you've got a motor in your bike.
    Michelle Ferrari should sue him for copying his business plan.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    April Fool doesnt run for 2 days in France does it???
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Undetectable, nano engine technology since 1998?
    Should only be a matter of time before he introduces stealth warp drives.
    No wonder Hungary dominate the motor industry.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    If it can't be seen in the bike, the motor must be inside the human. Time to start x-raying cyclists.
  • reborn2
    reborn2 Posts: 42
    I presume most of you guys have seen this company? It offers a totally hidden motor giving a claimed 200w for an hour.... You can retro fit it to your bike or buy prefitted onto their setup. Battery hidden either in a dummy biddon or in the seat post.

    http://www.vivax-assist.com/en/produkte ... t_4-0.html
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    that's not really what l'equipe is claiming exists is it - we could all believe that existed
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    reborn2 wrote:
    I presume most of you guys have seen this company? It offers a totally hidden motor giving a claimed 200w for an hour.... You can retro fit it to your bike or buy prefitted onto their setup. Battery hidden either in a dummy biddon or in the seat post.

    http://www.vivax-assist.com/en/produkte ... t_4-0.html
    No-one's suggesting that bikes can't have discrete motors - they can. But they're all very easy to spot, even by a layman.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    edited April 2015
    Joelsim wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Being not very mechanically minded what am I supposed to be looking at in the L'Equipe photo? It looks like an electronic chipboard to me. That's not a motor, that's the kind of shizzle you find in your phone and... your power meter.

    The gist of the article is that the motors are so small and silent that they can be hidden anywhere and no-one would be able to detect them even if they took the whole bike apart.

    But wouldn't they show up on an x-ray? Because that thing on the x-ray is not a motor. It's computer chips and stuff. Or is this motor made of organic matter?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    reborn2 wrote:
    I presume most of you guys have seen this company? It offers a totally hidden motor giving a claimed 200w for an hour.... You can retro fit it to your bike or buy prefitted onto their setup. Battery hidden either in a dummy biddon or in the seat post.

    http://www.vivax-assist.com/en/produkte ... t_4-0.html

    Hardly undetectable though!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Gweeds wrote:
    Essentially someone has invented a proton drive.

    Damn I was just about to post a picture of the Starship Enterprise going into warp drive as that was what I was thinking.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • DL1987
    DL1987 Posts: 204
    Ufe
    ‏@oufeh
    L'Equipe also reports bikes motors are connected to heart rate monitors and only start when heart reaches the 'red zone'.Easy with ANT+ tech

    Surely you'd want the motor to kick in prior to reaching the "red zone"?
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Being not very mechanically minded what am I supposed to be looking at in the L'Equipe photo? It looks like an electronic chipboard to me. That's not a motor, that's the kind of shizzle you find in your phone and... your power meter.

    The gist of the article is that the motors are so small and silent that they can be hidden anywhere and no-one would be able to detect them even if they took the whole bike apart.

    But wouldn't they show up on an x-ray? Because that thin on the x-ray is not a motor. It's computer chips and stuff. Or is this motor made of organic matter?
    In addition to all the other amazing feats of engineering this guy performed, it was but a simple further step for him to also make it transparent to all forms of electromagnetic radiation. You can't even see it with visible light. Of course it's too small to see even if it wasn't invisible, but better safe than sorry!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    So it's a power source that doesn't show up on x-ray so must be made of squidgy stuff that goes inside the carbon shell?

    The bikes are Cylon Raiders!

    raider1.jpg
    Correlation is not causation.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    DL1987 wrote:
    Ufe
    ‏@oufeh
    L'Equipe also reports bikes motors are connected to heart rate monitors and only start when heart reaches the 'red zone'.Easy with ANT+ tech

    Surely you'd want the motor to kick in prior to reaching the "red zone"?
    Riders will be like Jason Statham in the film Crank, desperately trying to up their heart rate so the motor kicks in.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • stu-bim
    stu-bim Posts: 384
    reborn2 wrote:
    I presume most of you guys have seen this company? It offers a totally hidden motor giving a claimed 200w for an hour.... You can retro fit it to your bike or buy prefitted onto their setup. Battery hidden either in a dummy biddon or in the seat post.

    http://www.vivax-assist.com/en/produkte ... t_4-0.html

    Big button on the handlebars would be a give away :)

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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    I kinda hope some pros actually have paid 150,00 Euros for this invisible, undetectable power source.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Turfle wrote:
    I kinda hope some pros actually have paid 150,00 Euros for this invisible, undetectable power source.

    It's like that bloke who flogged the MOD those weird IED divining rod/detector things. I mean I know it was fraud, and naughty and that it possibly lead to the deaths of some soldiers because they thought they could detect IEDs with their IED-detecting device but I have to say fair play to the bloke for showing the MOD up for being incompetent, gullible fools.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Why are the Germans still producing a 2kg motor, if their next door neighbours can produce tiny, invisible ones?
    That's like Japan making analogue tvs, when the digital technology was available in Mongolia.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    I think he's missed a trick by not linking it up to being activated from a Power Balance Band.

    Seriously though, this has been hushed up by Big Petroleum, it would kill them off.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    There's a guy on my commute who uses an electric motor to assist his riding.

    Bloody massive battery, huge hub, and you can hear the whir when there aren't a tonne of cars passing

    Almost killed me trying to keep up with a guy sitting upright in civvies into a headwind, until I heard the whir.
    _

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