Weight shedding plan

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,313
    LegendLust wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    LegendLust wrote:
    What a load of bollox
    And this is a load of bollox too.


    Very nutritious! Full of zinc

    I've eaten bull's balls a couple of times... they are nothing special... bit like scallops are a bit of an acquired taste
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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    If you don't mind your good advice being sandwiched between BS, boob shots and F words - this guy talks some sense (not all of it tho)
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  • tom3
    tom3 Posts: 287
    your plan is already pretty much spot on to be honest.

    maybe just swap out the salmon for a Chicken Breast, Steak, different fish just for variety. River cobbler is nice when correctly seasoned.

    Other than that move to weigh ins every few weeks as a better indicator. You're not overweight, so its not like a fat fighters scenario.

    and come on, you must have one vice you sneak out the fridge at night? I've started a strict diet so have taken tips on the split porridge from you. However, I do not mind admitting one single cube of sea salt dark chocolate happens most nights to stop cravings.
  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    tom3 wrote:
    However, I do not mind admitting one single cube of sea salt dark chocolate happens most nights to stop cravings.

    That would be a nightmare - it would never be just one, far easier to have none...!

    When I am on strict diet, I mentally use the hunger in a positive way and picture it as my body telling me how well I am doing and associate it with feeling proud to have survived the evening without giving in. This actually works if you can pull it off and then feeling hungry is a good thing!
  • faarn
    faarn Posts: 52
    Staying slightly off topic I have done the 6:1 diet, not for weight loss but for the health benefits. I did lose some weight too and never felt that hungry on my "fast" days (although you are not really fasting). Having said that I wouldn't exercise on these days as even if I had the energy you really need the nutrients and calories to recover.

    It helped with my slightly high cholesterol (although that too is subjective as when the components are broken down they are in limits but combined end up high) combined with cutting carbs (esp sugars) which are now starting to be regarded as worse for you than fat. I have substituted for a higher fat diet with no adverse effects, no rise in cholesterol or weight and lets face it fat is tasty.

    Probably not helped the OP much but adds to the 5:2, 6:2 opinions.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,313
    apreading wrote:
    tom3 wrote:
    However, I do not mind admitting one single cube of sea salt dark chocolate happens most nights to stop cravings.

    That would be a nightmare - it would never be just one, far easier to have none...!

    Yeah, it takes way too much discipline to only have one square to actually bother
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  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    faarn wrote:
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    Probably not helped the OP much but adds to the 5:2, 6:2 opinions.

    I'm interested in your 6:2 diet; how do you go about squeezing an extra eating day into your week then?
  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    The only thing I don't agree with in OP's diet is the potatos. I saw some page ages ago listing all the vegetables and potatoes were in a class of their own when it comes to nutrition - or lack of it. They were at the bottom in red.

    People say switch to sweet potatoes but that ain't a potato folks, thats a huge carrot to me.

    I cut out all that white starchy stuff. Bread, potatoes, pasta, pastry, biscuits, crisps... are you getting hungry yet? :twisted:
  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    Manc33 wrote:
    I cut out all that white starchy stuff. Bread, potatoes, pasta, pastry, biscuits, crisps... are you getting hungry yet? :twisted:

    Its funny how there are so many different approaches - I think of bread, potatoes & pasta as low fat ways to get my calories and more filling than many of the alternatives...

    The real bad ones in my opinion are foods like biscuits, crisps etc that are often high sugar, high fat and not at all filling, so just leave you still hungry and you eat more... When I were a fat lad, my biggest problem was that I would get hungry in the evening, have a bag of crisps, still feel just as hungy, have another bag of crisps, still feel just as hungry and then go in search of something filling like toast or cereal. If I go straight to the toast or cereal, I dont feel the need for the crisps. Also, I used to sprinkle grated cheese on many of the meals we had - it was nice but really not necessary.
  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    I went through a phase like that with Dorito's. Can easily eat a whole 110g bag. Had to be the cheese ones. There are some extreme views like "If it tastes good, spit it out" but my "good" meals (like 400g green beans with 250g salmon) taste better to me than any "junk" food.

    Its the same with the pea drinks. You look at it and think "What the hell is that" but when you taste it you have to drink the whole pint. Other "junk" foods don't quite have the same effect on me.

    The dog test: If you have a dog and you have some dodgy "light" food like mayonnaise, see if your dog will eat it. I had some of that stuff once and tried a bit, urgh! It was foul... tried giving the dog some, it didn't even class it as food, guess why that is... :roll: Indeed, how can you have "low fat mayonnaise" if mayonnaise is 80%+ fat! You have to wonder what on earth are they substituting the fat for. Its well known that stuff like aspartame was forced through against experts wishes and has 92 side effects.

    One important thing is that cutting fat out of your diet is a big no-no and fat isn't what makes you fat. Your brain is made of cholesterol, what do you think will happen if you "cut down" on cholesterol? Yep, you're starving your brain. If you do that over months or years, you are. The only way is to cut calories, not fat - calories. The only way I could even do that (without getting grumpy, hungry, light headed) was to eat the most nutritious stuff mankind knows of - green beans, broccoli, peas. Spinach is also a good one but I never bother buying it.

    My dad used to never eat broccoli and always said he doesn't like it - but he never tried it. One day when he was in his 50s he tried it and said its nice. :!:
  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    Manc33 wrote:
    One important thing is that cutting fat out of your diet is a big no-no and fat isn't what makes you fat. Your brain is made of cholesterol, what do you think will happen if you "cut down" on cholesterol?

    In my case, it was the need to cut down cholesterol that kick started my diet and cycling. I was ready to start pretty much anyway, but a high cholesterol test was what pushed me over the edge.

    I get what you are saying about the pea drink - I love pea soup myself although dont have it often. My favourite soup was Co-op Tomato & basil - half a big rub of that was only 65 calories and it was the best tasting soup anywhere. Everyone elses Tomato & Basil soup is much more calorific and NOT as nice. Unfortunately, saw this week that they have a new 'improved' recipe and calorie content has gone up from 65 to 125... My bet is that it will taste like everyone else's now and I wont like it as much.
  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    Pringles - I have to stay clear of them - will consume a whole tube in minutes. But I think the point of MSG is to do that.
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  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    I said earlier that food to me is like drink to an alcoholic. Keeping with that analogy, crisps are like crack cocaine...! (especially pringles barbecue and walkers sensations)
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Manc33 wrote:
    I cut out all that white starchy stuff. Bread, potatoes, pasta, pastry, biscuits, crisps... are you getting hungry yet? :twisted:

    See for me that just doesn't work long term, because in order to stick to any diet or exercise plan long-term I have to enjoy what I'm doing. Many of my favourite foods are starchy and/or savoury, if I try to make any sort of long-term change which involves cutting out those I just don't stick to it. I only tried that once.

    I have a lot more success when I'm realistic about it, planning around what I do and don't like and trying to keep things in moderation.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,313
    diy wrote:
    Pringles - I have to stay clear of them - will consume a whole tube in minutes. But I think the point of MSG is to do that.

    Pringles are interesting... nobody really seem to know what they are... if you read the ingredients you get even more baffled... often confused with crisps, which in comparison are almost superfood... :roll:
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,313
    Manc33 wrote:
    One important thing is that cutting fat out of your diet is a big no-no and fat isn't what makes you fat. Your brain is made of cholesterol

    On occasions it appears your brain is made of cholesterol, I agree... :wink:
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,403
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    diy wrote:
    Pringles - I have to stay clear of them - will consume a whole tube in minutes. But I think the point of MSG is to do that.

    Pringles are interesting... nobody really seem to know what they are... if you read the ingredients you get even more baffled... often confused with crisps, which in comparison are almost superfood... :roll:
    I seem to remember that Pringles were the solution of what to do with the scum that forms on the surface of the oil when they are frying crisps. Someone came up with the idea of scooping it off at making it into something edible.

    EDIT - can't find any reference to that. Wikipedia always is 100% accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pringles
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Did you know that people who claim to be sensitive to MSG have never been able to differentiate between MSG and a placebo in double-blind studies?

    The whole thing's nonsense, nobody's ever been able to prove that MSG actually does the bad things people claim it does. Just another BS health scare, and an excuse people give as to why they eat an entire tube of pringles in minutes :lol:

    That's not to say it's a good thing - if you're using flavour enhancers because your product is too bland and tasteless otherwise then that's probably a good sign that it's junk.
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    briantrumpet wrote:
    I seem to remember that Pringles were the solution of what to do with the scum that forms on the surface of the oil when they are frying crisps. Someone came up with the idea of scooping it off at making it into something edible.

    LMAO - and Fairy Liquid contains salt and the moon is made of cheese - too funny.

    I've never been to the moon but I used to be the engineering manager for Fairy Liquid (no salt to be seen) and I've been to the Pringles factory and seen them made. I'm not going to claim they are healthy but I can assure you that theory of how they are made is rubbish.
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  • briantrumpet
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    meanredspider wrote:
    I've never been to the moon but I used to be the engineering manager for Fairy Liquid (no salt to be seen) and I've been to the Pringles factory and seen them made. I'm not going to claim they are healthy but I can assure you that theory of how they are made is rubbish.
    I twigged that with the wikipedia reference, sorry if my reference came across as if I didn't believe it. I'd forgotten that they weren't allowed to call them crisps after a court case, as they don't contain enough potato to qualify.
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  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    briantrumpet wrote:
    meanredspider wrote:
    I've never been to the moon but I used to be the engineering manager for Fairy Liquid (no salt to be seen) and I've been to the Pringles factory and seen them made. I'm not going to claim they are healthy but I can assure you that theory of how they are made is rubbish.
    I twigged that with the wikipedia reference, sorry if my reference came across as if I didn't believe it. I'd forgotten that they weren't allowed to call them crisps after a court case, as they don't contain enough potato to qualify.

    Actually, I think it's the other way around - I think P&G claimed they weren't "crisps" to avoid paying VAT (despite it saying "crisps" on the tube).
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  • briantrumpet
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    meanredspider wrote:
    Actually, I think it's the other way around - I think P&G claimed they weren't "crisps" to avoid paying VAT (despite it saying "crisps" on the tube).
    Ah yes. Echoes of Jaffa Cakes. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vfoodmanual/vfood6260.htm
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  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    meanredspider wrote:
    ...I've been to the Pringles factory and seen them made...

    Reminds me of the time I went to the KP factory and they were making Skips that day. Even at the front gate, in the car, the stench of prawn cocktail was overpowering enough to put me off prawn cocktail crisps for a couple of days :mrgreen:
  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Manc33 wrote:
    One important thing is that cutting fat out of your diet is a big no-no and fat isn't what makes you fat. Your brain is made of cholesterol

    On occasions it appears your brain is made of cholesterol, I agree... :wink:

    lol, not just my brain though - everyones is. Admittedly it was Alex Jones that said that one time, but I assume he got it from a reputable source.

    The other thing is liquid food Vs solid food. A Horizon documentary showed that a meal blended to a soup kept soldiers going for longer, but it wasn't based on their opinion, they had all sorts of monitors to test it and see what's being digested, what energy is being put out etc. The conclusion was, blending to a liquid is beneficial if cutting fat.

    I was going to say if I ate peas instead of blending them I am sure it wouldn't work. As a solid food I would be hungry again pretty soon, but soup kinda lingers while you process it.

    So if you're lifting weights trying to cram a lot of food in, soup should be avoided, you can digest solid food faster, I know it sounds the wrong way around but thats what it said on this Horizon programme circa 2010.

    Or was it Horizon, dunno, might just have been a one off BBC programme. :oops:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8068733.stm
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    The brain is not 'made of cholesterol'.
  • faarn
    faarn Posts: 52
    keef66 wrote:
    faarn wrote:
    .

    Probably not helped the OP much but adds to the 5:2, 6:2 opinions.

    I'm interested in your 6:2 diet; how do you go about squeezing an extra eating day into your week then?


    Ha ha, I could tell you but then i'd have to kill you! I just work on a 21 hour day :wink::D
  • team47b
    team47b Posts: 6,425
    Simple sugars are broken down faster than complex carbs so energy is released at a different rate but actual digestion of for example blended vegetable soup takes about 20 minutes and steamed vegetables about 40 minutes.

    The brain is 60% fat, It is made up of fats and cholesterol, mainly saturated fat. It is also 75% water, huh?
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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    meanredspider wrote:
    LMAO - and Fairy Liquid contains salt and the moon is made of cheese - too funny.

    I've never been to the moon but I used to be the engineering manager for Fairy Liquid (no salt to be seen) and I've been to the Pringles factory and seen them made. I'm not going to claim they are healthy but I can assure you that theory of how they are made is rubbish.

    Interesting - so the ingredients aren't :

    • Sodium laureth sulphate
    • Alcohol denat
    • Lauramine oxide
    • C9-11 pareth-8
    • Sodium chloride
    • 1,3-Cyclohexanedimethanamine
    • PPG (polypropylene glycols)
    • Dimethyl aminoethyl methecrylate/hydroxyproply acrylate copolymer cirate
    • Parfum
    • Geraniol
    • Limonene
    • Colourant
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  • pastryboy
    pastryboy Posts: 1,385
    Pringles are just potato starch aren't they. You wash potatoes and the stuff that makes the water cloudly is starch. Same as things like monster munch and skips.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,313
    pastryboy wrote:
    Pringles are just potato starch aren't they. You wash potatoes and the stuff that makes the water cloudly is starch. Same as things like monster munch and skips.

    It is enough to say that they have been "invented" by chemists in a company that in essence is a large chemical company...
    To define Pringles as food is to make rather ample allowances to what food is... it is very likely that you get more nutrients by eating the cardboard tube they come in, if you take care to remove the plastic ends.
    In an age of health awareness I am still baffled to see a crusade against cigarettes but not against heavily processed "food".
    If you put a couple of blokes on a sofa... one smokes 40 a day and eat normal food, the other only eats Pringles but doesn't smoke... which one dies first?
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