And now Max Iglinskiy done for EPO
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iainf72 wrote:Is there much new here? Certainly I wasn't surprised at most of the names on the list, as they've leaked over the years with the investigations. A few new ones.
They've only released the ones that they can't get in trouble for so far. Still half of them to go, the juicy ones. So I believe the 90 is about 15 non cyclists, so half to go.0 -
Going through the timeline on Cyclingnews, it beggars belief that Astana's only real period of credibility was during the Bruyneel years
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.0 -
ShinyHelmut wrote:Joelsim wrote:Rumours that Bertie's name is coming out soon depending on lawyers.
Where's this rumour from? Or have you just made it up to wind up FF?
Alas, no I haven't made it up. From what I hear, he has hired a couple of lawyers. Not much more than that. Make of that what you will.0 -
Astana have the licence.0
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LOL.Joelsim wrote:Astana have the licence.
Another win for the UCI's bottom line."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
There was a documentary on German TV last week about Russian athletes doping. Plenty of evidence provided including links to senior people at the Russian athletics governing body actually facilitating it . In other words, it's endemic.
The lab tests they do there are not to catch people but to stop them entering international events whilst hot.
Some Olympic athletes who have earned big money and have been caught doping are having to pay the Russian athletics federation to compete and are issued with a clean bill of health. I mention it because Russian cycling was listed as a sport along with Nordic skiing on a similar performance enhancing program.
I'm beginning to understand why Armstrong feels singled out !
If you speak German
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oKRwxyBBA
Full English transcript is available here:
https://presse.wdr.de/plounge/tv/das_er ... 68.presse1
With English subtitles beginning part 1 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1YlKaN3cPs0 -
Been posted already on the other "doping in other sports" thread. Sorry0
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If you want to know why clean riders don't say something, have a look at Pete Kennaugh's twitter feed. He criticised Astana and got a lot of abuse for it. Not from Astana fans, but the self-proclaimed anti-doping activists (the ones that are actually live for doping and their self-righteous indignation, measuring their worth by retweets and follows)Joelsim wrote:Why wouldn't clean riders say something? Wiggo does, but I can't think of many others unless they are answering questions post race.Twitter: @RichN950 -
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So under UCI rules, another Astana rider could get popped and it won't really make any difference0
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RichN95 wrote:
If you want to know why clean riders don't say something, have a look at Pete Kennaugh's twitter feed. He criticised Astana and got a lot of abuse for it. Not from Astana fans, but the self-proclaimed anti-doping activists (the ones that are actually live for doping and their self-righteous indignation, measuring their worth by retweets and follows)Joelsim wrote:Why wouldn't clean riders say something? Wiggo does, but I can't think of many others unless they are answering questions post race.
Not much of a price to pay to stand up against people cheating you of success in your chosen career though is it? You're off the mark.0 -
FTFYFleshTuxedo wrote:RichN95 wrote:
If you want to know why clean riders don't say something, have a look at Pete Kennaugh's twitter feed. He criticised Astana and got a lot of abuse for it. Not from Astana fans, but the self-proclaimed anti-doping activists (the ones that are actually live for doping and their self-righteous indignation, measuring their worth by retweets and follows)Joelsim wrote:Why wouldn't clean riders say something? Wiggo does, but I can't think of many others unless they are answering questions post race.
Well of course if I were a pro cyclist, I would be more moral and upstanding than all the rest0 -
Visconti deleted tweet:
"to all of you that I have been disgraced with absurd falsehoods momentarily go away I tell you to **** off then a short official statement"
https://twitter.com/hendriksmj/statu...628992/photo/1
Statement:
http://cyclingquotes.com/news/visconti_ ... ta_report/
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Rojas said he only had contact for training plans. Rojas is in my bad books as he denied me the chance to save a ton of photos of Alberto in Spanish National Kit - he sucked his wheel all the way up the climb then came round him in the sprint.Contador is the Greatest0 -
bompington wrote:
FTFYFleshTuxedo wrote:RichN95 wrote:
If you want to know why clean riders don't say something, have a look at Pete Kennaugh's twitter feed. He criticised Astana and got a lot of abuse for it. Not from Astana fans, but the self-proclaimed anti-doping activists (the ones that are actually live for doping and their self-righteous indignation, measuring their worth by retweets and follows)Joelsim wrote:Why wouldn't clean riders say something? Wiggo does, but I can't think of many others unless they are answering questions post race.
Well of course if I were a pro cyclist, I would be more moral and upstanding than all the rest
Thanks. So have you never done anything more than go with the herd? Sounds like it.0 -
You should never underestimate the difficulty of going against the prevailing thinking around you - or even of realising that you should. Of course it is possible, but in a lot of environments much harder than you think.0
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PK got some abuse on Twitter for saying some pretty on message things about doping. He got some keyboard warriors anonymously being abusive. What's he lost from doing that? F all. So that's why I said it's not much of a price to pay. It's hardly facing down the wrath of the pro peloton is it? You're confusing kennaugh with simeone.0
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But the ones demanding that cyclists 'speak out' are the very same keyboard warriors that then attack him. (Because he has voiced his own opinions, not theirs). So what has he gained? Why bother?FleshTuxedo wrote:PK got some abuse on Twitter for saying some pretty on message things about doping. He got some keyboard warriors anonymously being abusive. What's he lost from doing that? F all. So that's why I said it's not much of a price to pay. It's hardly facing down the wrath of the pro peloton is it? You're confusing kennaugh with simeone.
The internet is full of (anonymous) self-righteous people who know how they would act if they were a rider (basically the the same as they do on internet forums). But in reality they wouldn't.
It's like when people are asked what they would do with the money if they won the lottery. Most say they would give a large chunk to charity. In reality, very few do.Twitter: @RichN950 -
This. It's very easy for us anonymous internet posters to shoot our mouths off, harder if you're a real, known person.RichN95 wrote:
But the ones demanding that cyclists 'speak out' are the very same keyboard warriors that then attack him. (Because he has voiced his own opinions, not theirs). So what has he gained? Why bother?FleshTuxedo wrote:PK got some abuse on Twitter for saying some pretty on message things about doping. He got some keyboard warriors anonymously being abusive. What's he lost from doing that? F all. So that's why I said it's not much of a price to pay. It's hardly facing down the wrath of the pro peloton is it? You're confusing kennaugh with simeone.
The internet is full of (anonymous) self-righteous people who know how they would act (basically the the same as they do on internet forums). But in reality they wouldn't.
It's like when people are asked what they would do with the money if they won the lottery. Most say they would give a large chunk to charity. In reality, very few do.0 -
Still it's probably not worth the grief, much rather do the right thing, keep quiet on twitter and not face abuse from idiots who don't know what's really going on, but like to think that their retweets and follows are worth something tangible...You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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RichN95 wrote:
But the ones demanding that cyclists 'speak out' are the very same keyboard warriors that then attack him. (Because he has voiced his own opinions, not theirs). So what has he gained? Why bother?FleshTuxedo wrote:PK got some abuse on Twitter for saying some pretty on message things about doping. He got some keyboard warriors anonymously being abusive. What's he lost from doing that? F all. So that's why I said it's not much of a price to pay. It's hardly facing down the wrath of the pro peloton is it? You're confusing kennaugh with simeone.
The internet is full of (anonymous) self-righteous people who know how they would act if they were a rider (basically the the same as they do on internet forums). But in reality they wouldn't.
It's like when people are asked what they would do with the money if they won the lottery. Most say they would give a large chunk to charity. In reality, very few do.
Yup.
The price a rider pays for tweeting general outrage over this subject earns him abuse and accusations of hypocrisy?
Definitely not worth it.
Goes double if the rider is British and a Sky rider to boot."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
But the ones demanding that cyclists 'speak out' are the very same keyboard warriors that then attack him. (Because he has voiced his own opinions, not theirs). So what has he gained? Why bother?FleshTuxedo wrote:PK got some abuse on Twitter for saying some pretty on message things about doping. He got some keyboard warriors anonymously being abusive. What's he lost from doing that? F all. So that's why I said it's not much of a price to pay. It's hardly facing down the wrath of the pro peloton is it? You're confusing kennaugh with simeone.
The internet is full of (anonymous) self-righteous people who know how they would act if they were a rider (basically the the same as they do on internet forums). But in reality they wouldn't.
It's like when people are asked what they would do with the money if they won the lottery. Most say they would give a large chunk to charity. In reality, very few do.
Who are the people that demand people speak out and then attack them? Joelsim? Me?
Joelsim said he wished more riders would speak out, I said some abuse on Twitter's not a big price to pay to speak out against people cheating you of success and suggested that's not the reason most riders keep schtum. The PR Consensus Crew are having none of it, and accuse me of being some kind of sanctimonious tw*t. Charming!0 -
The world doesn't revolve around you. And there's a world beyond this forum.FleshTuxedo wrote:Who are the people that demand people speak out and then attack them? Joelsim? Me?
Joelsim said he wished more riders would speak out, I said some abuse on Twitter's not a big price to pay to speak out against people cheating you of success and suggested that's not the reason most riders keep schtum. The PR Consensus Crew are having none of it, and accuse me of being some kind of sanctimonious tw*t. Charming!Twitter: @RichN950 -
I'd never attack someone for speaking out. In fact quite the opposite. Good on ya PK. And Konig and Henderson and the other few who have spoken out on this occasion.
Whilst the latest evidence clearly needs to be examined properly before decisions can be made, I hope Mr Cookson does the right thing a couple of months down the line. That's if Astana haven't had another positive by then.
Vino and others like him need to be cleared out before the new dawn can take place.
I await the naming of the other half of the Padua investigation with interest. Given that 'those you wouldn't expect' are yet to be named I am curious to hear just how big the problems facing this beautiful sport still are.0 -
Proclaimed self appointed Guardian Of The Truth Richn95, with his 13,204th post on the forum0
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Or he's just introducing some much needed reasoning into the debate.
Lets not forget that the question is 'should Astana have been given a World Tour licence for 2015?' If you feel the answer is no, unfotunately collective indignation - let alone your own - doesn't constitute sufficient reasoning to arrive at that answer. Basically what Inrng is saying...0 -
EKIMIKE wrote:Or he's just introducing some much needed reasoning into the debate.
Lets not forget that the question is 'should Astana have been given a World Tour licence for 2015?' If you feel the answer is no, unfotunately collective indignation - let alone your own - doesn't constitute sufficient reasoning to arrive at that answer. Basically what Inrng is saying...
Is that for me? I agree with what Inrng is saying, I don't think Astana should have had their licence revoked.0 -
Only this morning on the radio was it reported that Jess Ennis has received a whole load of abuse for stating that a convicted rapist shouldn't be re-signed by the football team she supports.
Many of today's sports people seem addicted to Twatter, and so probably don't like the grief and abuse they get when they do voice an opinion. It's easy to see why many then keep quiet.
Maybe they need to get off Twatter and just make their statements and then continue blissfully unaware of the twatter storm they've left behind?0 -
Can anyone point me to the Gazetta (or other) report that states that Ferrari had frequent contact with Slongo to which Ferrari is presumably responding when he states:
“Paolo Slongo - he would have, according to the investigators, "frequent contact with Ferrari": yes, of course, every morning, in front of the buffet breakfast at the hotel Parador del Teide, with the topic: "is it better to have eggs with bacon or muesli with yogurt?"0
