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Cody

I personally don't find it funny.

I think the image you are referring to, explains itself. Modesty? intelligence? self respect? she's not oppressed, she's god fearing and obedient. And, devout. Same as the Catholic nuns of the church who also cover themselves up in such manner. I find it very offensive that you are posting such images and deeming them as appropriate, on this friendly thread. Practicing Muslim, Christian and Jewish women cover themselves up.

I am not going in to a forced marriage of any sort, just that I prefer to marry someone from back home if I can't find anyone from the UK, as opposed to girls from the UK who tend to have pre-marital relationships, fornication, adultery and teenage sex.

In Islamic discourse a great deal of emphasis is placed on the issue of hijab for women with much debate about the extent and nature of that covering. This is obviously an important issue for Muslim women, but an equally significant topic is that of Modesty. The Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him passed by an Ansari Arab man who was counseling his brother on modesty (He was advising him not to be too much shy or modest). The Prophet said: "Leave him (and do not advise him like this); for modesty is part of faith." (Bukhari and Muslim). The Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him, also said, "Modesty results in good alone and nothing else." (Bukhari and Muslim).

The less science you know, = Atheism, the more you know,, leads to belief in god

Cody

Islam teaches that Hell is a real place prepared by God for those who do not believe in Him, rebel against His laws, and reject His messengers. Hell is an actual place, not a mere state of mind or a spiritual entity. The horrors, pain, anguish, and punishment are all real, but different in nature than their earthly counterparts. Hell is the ultimate humiliation and loss, and nothing is worse than it.

Hell exists at the present time and will continue to exist forever. It will never die down, and its inhabitants will remain in it forever. No one will come out of Hell except sinful believers who believed in the Oneness of God in this life and believed in the specific prophet sent to them (before the coming of Muhammad). The polytheists and unbelievers will reside in it forever. This belief has been held from classical times and is based on clear verses of the Quran and confirmed reports from the Prophet of Islam. The Quran speaks of Hell in the past tense and states that it has already been created:

"And fear the Fire which is prepared for the disbelievers." (Quran 3:131)

Chunkers1980

Does the same modesty 'argument' apply to men? If not, then why not?

Chunkers1980

Leads to brain washing you mean. Not a very pleasant religion is it if you don't believe. Seems like it's based on fear of the non-existent rather than getting on with the now.

Cody

Chunkers1980 wrote:

Does the same modesty 'argument' apply to men? If not, then why not?

I don't want to answer your question, merely replying to some bigots on here causing trouble.
You're intelligent enough you can do research.

The same does apply to men. Here is an excerpt,

Lowering one’s gaze is one of the most important things that a Muslim should do to protect himself from the punishment of Allah. Every sincere Muslim should spare no pains in this regard and should take practical steps to guard his gaze and overcome his weakness.

Shari'ah Law or Mosaic Law came to forbid the ways that lead to immorality, one of which is looking at non-mahram (a woman who is a non-marriageable relative) and or women. Almighty Allah says: “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts)” (An-Nur:30) In his commentary on this verse, Imam Ibn Kathir wrote: "This is a command from Allah to His believing slaves to lower their gaze and refrain from looking at that which is forbidden to them. So they should not look at anything except that which they are permitted to look at, and they should lower their gaze and refrain from looking at forbidden things. If it so happens that a person’s gaze accidentally falls upon something forbidden, he should quickly avert his gaze."

You've seen it before, we look at a woman and wanna have sex with her cos she's attractive or immodestly dressed or is lusting at you.

Cody

And among the many things that should help us protect our eyes and preserve their health and strength, is refraining from using them in what Allah forbids, because they are one of Allah's several bounties upon us. One of the acts that tire the eyes is watching pornographic films. Allah says in His Holy Book in this concern what means {surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that} (Surat Al Israa < 17:36>). Therefore, a Muslim should divert his/her senses from what displeases Allah, and should not consume them in what is not useful. Letting the gaze roam freely at what arouses the desire and causes fitah (temptation) contradicts completely with the healthy fitrah (innate nature of human) that Allah has given us.

Cody

Lowering the gaze and its health benefits, an excerpt from an article.

The question is: Does lowering the gaze have any benefits to the human health? Scientific research and studies proved that repeated desirous looking at the opposite sex, and the ensuing need to fulfill the suppressed and unfulfilled desires, lead to many problems as serious as productive system diseases, such as the cognition of prostate, the sexual inability, or total infertility.

Some social studies have also proved that, in western societies, not lowering the gaze leads to depression and other psychological disorders. Such studies also indicate that moral disintegration and sexual promiscuity in those societies are some of the results of the inexistence of a religious doctrine or ethical and moral restrictions that regulate such a noble sense and channel it into what conforms to the human physical and psychological health.

Cody

Modesty does apply to men. Why should men be any different? You wouldn't like it if you saw ya sister in your living room getting a BJ from someone would you? how do you think it leads to that situation in the first place? women being lustful, mobile phones, texting, exchanging glances, clubbing nights out and drinking and sweet talk and sexuals words being exchanged arousing the woman. All these temptations and satans tricks have been incorporated in to society and are part of the norm of an individuals life, a person who is in to these things, gets drawn in to it. Men should keep away and develop in to men and refrain from illicit things, that is better for them. It helps you see the world in a nice way and respect people too. The lower you go the worser you become and you will be destroyed internally and spiritually corrupt.

griffsters

Part of me wants to laugh but then here is evidence that people that pass me in the street actually 100% believe that sh*te. Suddenly not that funny.

welshkev

How exactly does a girl get a bj? :?

I also take offence to your assumption that any western girl/woman is promiscuous if they don't cover up.

It just goes to show how sheltered and naive you really are and how completely out of touch with the modern world you and your religion are

Cody

We don't just need modesty in the way we dress, we need intellectual modesty too.

I meant to say, girl doing it to a guy and vice versa. I don't need to explain it, you get the picture.

And I didn't mean every girl, I meant the majority i.e immature uni students, late night party goers, clubbers, ravers, drinkers, alcaholics, drunkards, adulterers, fornicators, upper, lower and middle class, married and non married women mostly caucasian or europeans etc

Not all women who don't cover up fit in the above, no. But it's part of a womans natural disposition to cover up as it was in the beginning, middle ages and through to victorian times and unfrotunately not anymore because this country was suppose to be the citadel of freedom, justice, democracy and all of these other pretty sounding words, except it's degradation to women, humiliation, discrimination and every other 'ation' of the worst kind. Women don't cover up anymore, but it's written in their bible, those who don't cover up should shave off their hair to avert gaze by men. It's in there if you read carefully.

Think carefully brother, what would you do if you saw your sister pounding or getting pounded and fully thrusted by another guy who she doesn't know, isin't related to her and has no intention of marrying her.

You'd be angry, no?

cooldad

welshkev wrote:

How exactly does a girl get a bj? :?

Who knows what's under that tent.

I blame god for giving them boobs to lust after.

welshkev

pounded by a guy who isn't related to her? wtf?!?!?!?

I've been with my gf for 15 years and we're still not married. I pound her on a regular basis and her brother knows...we have a kid ffs!

and I repeat I find your assumptions offensive. just cos girls go out and party at clubs or whatever and get drunk isn't offensive to people with normal brains and morals.

and i'll say as I said waaaaaay earlier in the thread. why would I believe in or listen to anything from a made up book.

I even showed you that your Koran/quran (apologies I don't know the correct spelling) has been doctored and edited to suit purpose - you chose to ignore this.

cooldad

Cody wrote:

Random rubbish....

Think carefully brother, what would you do if you saw your sister pounding or getting pounded and fully thrusted by another guy who she doesn't know, isin't related to her and has no intention of marrying her.

You'd be angry, no?

There's no such thing as a dirty book
Its just the way you read it

Alex Harvey - Shake That Thing.

Antm81

Cody wrote:

mostly caucasian or europeans

Ever so slightly racist?

cooldad

Although Crudcatcher excepted I don't actually think of my girlfriend in terms of 'pounding' to be honest.

I think friend Cody is lacking a bit of love.

In the purest sense of the word.

Angus Young

And who says religion doesn't fcuk you up...

rockmonkeysc

Cody wrote:

girls from the UK who tend to have pre-marital relationships, fornication, adultery

God bless them :-)

Angus Young

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Cody wrote:

girls from the UK who tend to have pre-marital relationships, fornication, adultery

God bless them :-)

Indeed. I was trying to figure out how that was a negative. I mean, I'm ugly and I've still spent more than my fair share of time in the bush, so how is that a bad thing?

rockmonkeysc

It's not, it's all good. If men or women in this country want to go out and get laid then as long as they cover up, good on them.
Im happily married now but before i met my wife i had my share of fun and i regret none of it.

RevellRider

Hi I'm Wayne. I drink beer, I watch porn, I have sex with single ladies and I eat bacon.

Save me a seat in Hell, it'll be a lot warmer than it was today

welshkev

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Im happily married now but before i met my wife i had my share of fun and i regret none of it.

Except that one time when you ended up at the clinic and had to get that cream for the itching

mxp27824

I met God, once. Actually, a glowing gay icon called Jeremy, who spoke on his behalf. He spoke to me as I tried to sleep in a cave. He said lots of boring things, most of which I've chosen to forget. The most profound thing I remember being told was: 'The meaning of life is to leave the world a better place than you found it.' I remember thinking what a load of bollocks it was, and that I could easily have come up with something better myself. Ever since then I haven't bothered praying. Waste of time. Ride a bike instead.

rgliniany

Cody wrote:

And among the many things that should help us protect our eyes and preserve their health and strength, is refraining from using them in what Allah forbids, because they are one of Allah's several bounties upon us. One of the acts that tire the eyes is watching pornographic films. Allah says in His Holy Book in this concern what means {surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that} (Surat Al Israa < 17:36>). Therefore, a Muslim should divert his/her senses from what displeases Allah, and should not consume them in what is not useful. Letting the gaze roam freely at what arouses the desire and causes fitah (temptation) contradicts completely with the healthy fitrah (innate nature of human) that Allah has given us.

It's not my eyes that get tired after watching a mucky vid..........

Cody wrote:

Modesty does apply to men. Why should men be any different? You wouldn't like it if you saw ya sister in your living room getting a BJ from someone would you? how do you think it leads to that situation in the first place? women being lustful, mobile phones, texting, exchanging glances, clubbing nights out and drinking and sweet talk and sexuals words being exchanged arousing the woman. All these temptations and satans tricks have been incorporated in to society and are part of the norm of an individuals life, a person who is in to these things, gets drawn in to it. Men should keep away and develop in to men and refrain from illicit things, that is better for them. It helps you see the world in a nice way and respect people too. The lower you go the worser you become and you will be destroyed internally and spiritually corrupt

you bought your sister a mobile phone......... you monster!!!!!

katiebob

welshkev wrote:

I've been with my gf for 15 years and we're still not married. I pound her on a regular basis and her brother knows...we have a kid ffs!

Sin I tell you! SIN!!

Angus Young

Cody wrote:

women being lustful, mobile phones, texting, exchanging glances, clubbing nights out and drinking and sweet talk and sexuals words being exchanged arousing the woman. All these temptations and satans tricks have been incorporated in to society and are part of the norm of an individuals life, a person who is in to these things, gets drawn in to it. Men should keep away and develop in to men and refrain from illicit things, that is better for them. It helps you see the world in a nice way and respect people too. The lower you go the worser you become and you will be destroyed internally and spiritually corrupt.

Odd then, that the people who indulge in all these terrible things are leading happy and productive lives while the people who follow your advice just want to kill and destroy. Coincidence, perhaps?

Chunkers1980

Cody wrote:

Modesty does apply to men. Why should men be any different? You wouldn't like it if you saw ya sister in your living room getting a BJ from someone would you? how do you think it leads to that situation in the first place? women being lustful, mobile phones, texting, exchanging glances, clubbing nights out and drinking and sweet talk and sexuals words being exchanged arousing the woman. All these temptations and satans tricks have been incorporated in to society and are part of the norm of an individuals life, a person who is in to these things, gets drawn in to it. Men should keep away and develop in to men and refrain from illicit things, that is better for them. It helps you see the world in a nice way and respect people too. The lower you go the worser you become and you will be destroyed internally and spiritually corrupt

you bought your sister a mobile phone......... you monster!!!!![/quote]

That's the hyperbole of this bullshite, I can't be assed to find the quote but remember it as being because she has learning difficulties and you wanted her to have the latest thing for her esteem.

Why is it better not to have sex? Actually having it makes you think less about it as you know it's possible. Refraining appears to do weird things to your head from your rantings and have to develop and actively persue ways of not thinking or acting on our natural urges and making women wear tents as men can't be trusted to not act as our animal instincts are telling us to - pound as you put it which in itself is just weird and shows how all this fukks with your head in a BAD way.

Perhaps it's like pedigree dog breeding where you like to keep your lines as it keeps your religion in check? Only problem with that is it doesn't breed very healthy animals.

pesky_jones

Cody - its just nature! Women and men hit puberty in early teens for a reason. Why would we be ready to have sex and reproduce at a young age if we're not supposed to untill adulthood? Did allah make us wrong?

cooldad

But if all the virgins get used up there'll be none left for the martyrs.

How sad will they be?

pesky_jones

Well there will still be Cody