Help: Boardman HT Comp 650b, Sell Or Keep?

homers_double

Cody wrote:

Can you lot start telling me your stories of how you got in to mountain or road biking and how you coped with pressure and day to day work life balance and other tasks and how you increased your fitness.

Forgive me crudders for I have sinned... In other words spent so much time on the dark side that I've missed this entire thread.

OK cody, I'm Richard, nice to meet you and I appolgise for not reading the final 13 pages of this topic as I have work to do and cannot stop crying with laughter at my desk.

I've ridden mountain bikes for years, 22 in fact. Last summer (2013) I bought a road bike to lose a bit of weight and improve my mountain biking. I t didn't really happen as I tend to ride the road bike now instead. About that time my daughter got herself pregnant and started looking for a rental house.

They were coming up pretty expensive so I cashed in a few bonds and bought her one... Just like that. However I then spent the next 7 months gutting and renovating it. Since then I've become a grandad, carried on with her house, my own house and also running a family engineering business 8am -5pm (no 9-5 for me!)

According to Strava I've still managed to ride 4448km, the longest being 180km. Been on holiday a few times and spent time doing other things as I have my own little family at home.

To be honest, and this is me just skim reading as I do, I think you're looking at things wrong and this has been pointed out to you many times but I think you don't want to accept a different way of doing things.

To quote Wiggins "If you drive to the shop you put a fiver in the tank, you wouldn't put £50 in and leave it in the garage. You drive to London and back you fill up twice"

In other words if you need fuel to undertake a particular activity then fuel you body as it needs it, I can complete a 50km ride on one of those little sachets of porridge and in volume it's no bigger than my fist once cooked. Basic knowledge tells us that a persons stomach is as big as their fist. (I must have massive fists though at the moment)

I respect that you respect your religion and way of life but if you seriously want to get serious about something then seriously listen to those who know what they are talking about.

Anyway thats my ramble over as I'm off to make some lunch.

homers_double

BigMitch41 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

I eat porridge ten minutes before getting on my bike for a fairly hilly 17 miles every morning with no ill effects. If you have nothing to eat before a ride you will just crash, it's like trying to drive a car with no fuel in the tank, when it's empty you're going nowhere.

Same here re the porridge, enough to fill you but not so much that your bursting, give it 10 minutes and go ride. This is either commuting to work (7.5 miles) or going on a Mountain epic, your body is a machine that needs fuel to work efficiently, simple.

Hmmm, sort of...

Over the summer I started getting up at 5.45 and doing a 35km loop without breakfast in order to lose weight. It worked because I was in calorie defacit.

Eat food at 5.45am (200 calories)
Ride and burn 600 calories.
Come home hungry and eat more breakfast and drink a few cups of tea (400 calories)

No Calorie defacit because you fueled to ride - good but no weight loss

Don't fuel to ride and just burn you dodys reserves then using the same as the above you will be in calorie defacit which ='s weight loss.

Good if you need to lose weight, bad if you don't. I did and it worked.

whitey161

I CBA to read all of these posts but you're over thinking things waaaayyy too much. Riding a bike isnt a science, ok it can become close to that once you get bitten but, now here is my advice:

Get home from work, put on your helmet and RIDE YOUR BIKE.

Just get on it and go and ride and stop worrying about all the trivial unimportant stuff, its nothing but excuses....

Briggo

rgliniany wrote:

Cody wrote:

Oh sorry that was a bit harsh, let me put a "lol" at the end of it

Hi Kowalski...........

It's a contender, he's on the same level.

Angus Young

Briggo wrote:

rgliniany wrote:

Cody wrote:

Oh sorry that was a bit harsh, let me put a "lol" at the end of it

Hi Kowalski...........

It's a contender, he's on the same level.

My bet's on Rubez. Cody's got the same 'idiot scenario then don't listen to good advice' thing going on.

cooldad

This more likely

Not enough lols for Kowlolski

Breedle

i ride 22 miles to work 8 days a week got diptheria and a buggered hip, get out their. Keep it.

Cody

Homers Double - Thanks for the advice, much appreciated and well done with the house project. It ain't easy and it takes courage to take on such a project. I'm doing up a house myself for my dad to add to his portfolio and I've got a good Polish builder he's a young lad like me with tons of skills who will pretty much do the whole house for us and save us money, but where we can save on costs we will do things like basic garden maintenance, burning household rubbish or taking it to local council skip, painting and decorating, sanding doors down, stripping wallpaper, removing tiles and lino and damaged doors and door frames, all of which can save you a few hundred pounds which you can then use that money for other things. Going on places like eBay for materials is a must for things like door locks, handles, bathroom suites and doors. I know a few threads back I said my dad wanted me to have a few property's to fall back on, but reality is I don't live for this world materialistically, and I'm not fussed if I don't have any houses to my name, I'm a simple person I don't want this world to get the best of me because I believe once you have lots of money or get money orientated, you then forget about your friends and become evil, it's a dark world full of deceit and this life is transitory. I'd probably have a few houses to my name which I can then give to my children, when I have children, to live in and only then I'd think it's worth having a few houses but otherwise I just want to set up my own business soon, an Estate Agent which focuses mainly on lettings more than sales and by the grace of god I think I will do well with his blessing. Other than that I'm a happy person. I haven't forced religion on anyone in this thread, I've just explained some things due to some misunderstanding by some other users on this thread and website and I've reiterated again and again that I'm only responsible for what I say and not for what some of them understand.

Whitey161 - I've been riding regular now for the last 2 weeks and I can proudly say I'm losing weight, I've lost about a ton already as I've been sticking to 2 light meals a day and plenty of water. I've not lost any weight off my waist or stomach as of yet but it's mainly from the face which is getting thinner, basically the fat on the cheeks is disappearing away as I've got bubbly cheeks.

Cooldad - I received the lights today, I think they are a really nice set of lights but a shame as they are only limited to 1 LED inner bulb per light. I could perhaps do with the another one of the same light for the front which I want to attach to the opposite side of the handle bar, any idea where I can buy a single front CatEye Nima light from? I emailed them in regards to the batteries and they said that the ones which are already in the lights will most likely need changing after a couple of weeks as they have been stored in the warehouse for quite some time.

Right everyone, I'm going for a ride shortly I've just had something to eat. Only popping out for 20-30 mins on bike, I kinda stopped going at night and doing mornings instead but want to try out these new lights tonight.

rockmonkeysc

Cody wrote:

Can you lot start telling me your stories of how you got in to mountain or road biking and how you coped with pressure and day to day work life balance and other tasks and how you increased your fitness. I've already read some stories on here like the guy who has a disabled wife and manages to do lots of cycling which is very inspiring etc Rockmonkey does 17 miles uphill and I've seen some of his pictures and his bikes which look really nice.

Cooldad, whats your story, share with us please.

I got in to mountain biking the usual way. After seeing several friends have very serious rock climbing accidents and realising I was headed for an early death I decided I needed to find a new sport. Bought a mountain bike, rode it, had fun. It all progressed from riding around gravel tracks in the local woods to national downhill races within five years. It's all about getting out with mates and having fun, testing my abilities and just forgetting about all the crap in the world. I don't care whether its 50 miles of xc riding or a day tearing down a hillside or several hours sessioning a big jump, its all good.
I have a full time professional job, a wife and two kids. Theres always time to fit things in if you really want to.

homers_double

I've got DIY down thanks, but don't use eBay or you'll be getting quality akin to GTs mum. I've done everything myself

cooldad

homers double wrote:

I've got DIY down thanks, but don't use eBay or you'll be getting quality akin to GTs mum. I've done everything myself

? and ?

Cody

homers double wrote:

BigMitch41 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

I eat porridge ten minutes before getting on my bike for a fairly hilly 17 miles every morning with no ill effects. If you have nothing to eat before a ride you will just crash, it's like trying to drive a car with no fuel in the tank, when it's empty you're going nowhere.

Same here re the porridge, enough to fill you but not so much that your bursting, give it 10 minutes and go ride. This is either commuting to work (7.5 miles) or going on a Mountain epic, your body is a machine that needs fuel to work efficiently, simple.

Hmmm, sort of...

Over the summer I started getting up at 5.45 and doing a 35km loop without breakfast in order to lose weight. It worked because I was in calorie defacit.

Eat food at 5.45am (200 calories)
Ride and burn 600 calories.
Come home hungry and eat more breakfast and drink a few cups of tea (400 calories)

No Calorie defacit because you fueled to ride - good but no weight loss

Don't fuel to ride and just burn you dodys reserves then using the same as the above you will be in calorie defacit which ='s weight loss.

Good if you need to lose weight, bad if you don't. I did and it worked.

Homers Double - Well, I watched a video recently on YouTube and it suggested that it would be better to have small snacks during a ride to avoid binging on food or junk after a ride. I don't know if you've read my comments a couple of posts back, back in 2011 I use to eat 1 meal a day. In the mornings around 10am I would wake up have a glass of water and head on straight to town on bike and wait till about 2pm, and then have a bite to eat. The food I would eat was random like fish and chips, Greggs fattening sandwiches and pasties, subways sandwiches and coffee but was drinking water mostly, then I would go home around 4.30/5pm and either I would cook up a veg meal or a piece of salmon fish and soup or have nothing at all. Within 2 weeks of riding I lost half a stone or nearly half, went from 12 to 11 and a half. I was riding far and wide and my food was void of nutritional value mostly or occasionally. When I started attempting the Leeds canal ride I felt I could do it without struggle but I would ride without fueling up in the morning's and then halfway through the ride, at around the 5 mile mark I would sit and have a sandwich which was mainly tuna and veg and salmon, then carry on riding a further 8 miles and once I got there I would either do some window shopping and go home on train. I was looking for a job at that time and I was carying like 25-30 CV's a day in my rucksack and would hand them out at each and every shop in Bradford, Shipley and Leeds city centre. I think you're right, all this cycling with less food or no food before a ride would aid in severe calorie deficit and aid in extreme weight loss. However I became ill after 3 months of cycling and ended up in hospital, I went from 12 to 10 stones and was at random moments of the day, fainting and unaware I fainted. But now instead of 1 meal a day, I'm eating 2 meals a day and it's taking slightly longer to lose some weight or to start noticing a difference. I'll get there I know I will, I'm just lacking motivation at moment for my rides but I just get out there and try to make a difference, my evening and daily prayers help too, helps me develop clear conscience to prepare me for the day and for a ride.

homers_double

cooldad wrote:

homers double wrote:

I've got DIY down thanks, but don't use eBay or you'll be getting quality akin to GTs mum. I've done everything myself

? and ?

Whatever.

Cody

RockmonkeySC wrote:

I got in to mountain biking the usual way. After seeing several friends have very serious rock climbing accidents and realising I was headed for an early death I decided I needed to find a new sport. Bought a mountain bike, rode it, had fun. It all progressed from riding around gravel tracks in the local woods to national downhill races within five years. It's all about getting out with mates and having fun, testing my abilities and just forgetting about all the crap in the world. I don't care whether its 50 miles of xc riding or a day tearing down a hillside or several hours sessioning a big jump, its all good.
I have a full time professional job, a wife and two kids. Theres always time to fit things in if you really want to.[/quote]

Rockmonkey sc - I don't believe there is a usual way. I think it has to do with some sort of a determination or a will to achieve or make a difference. For me I envisioned a goal, to lose weight and my mind kept telling me that I am not a lazy type of person, it kept telling me I was a do it and get active and keep at it type of individual. I was just lacking motivation and a little lazy. So I decided to make a change and I bought a bike. It develops from an experience, an interest, a desire from within and from doing it in real life so I don't think there is a usual way of doing things, it always stems from something. But yeah I think rock climbing you are messing with fate, I don't think we were made for those things, our bodies some of you might believe have adapted to modern environment through evolution and adapted to suit out habitat. But I believe that god didn't create us to do everything except worship him and earn a living besides worship and getting to know him. I believe god created our bodies and designed them in such a way that every joint when it bows down in worship, is made to perform those actions in prayer and for prayer only. But I think you have done well for yourself. I'm yet to get married and I'm being patient whilst finding a wife and when I have kids of my own, I intend to carry on cycling and maybe taking up an additional sport or just stick to cycling because I feel as though I can do it all year round and is great for weight loss as some of you suggested. I know you said I don't need to lose weight and just cycle but, I really need to wear my clothes I've bought recently which cost me a lot of money and they're just sitting in wardroabe. Just a couple of casual shirts and a pair of jeans. By the way I don't have many friends, they're all into drugs and fornicating and clubbing and chasing after the world so I just have one good friend who I knew from college days, he's not religious but he's trying to make a change in his life, he's not in to cycling but plays football weekly. I guess I kinda prefer cycling on my own, don't trust strangers, had bad experience with them in past.

homers_double

Mate, try fishing. That'll clear your head, especially if you're shit and can't catch fish.

Angus Young

Cody wrote:

Rockmonkey sc - I don't believe there is a usual way. I think it has to do with some sort of a determination or a will to achieve or make a difference. For me I envisioned a goal, to lose weight and my mind kept telling me that I am not a lazy type of person, it kept telling me I was a do it and get active and keep at it type of individual. I was just lacking motivation and a little lazy. So I decided to make a change and I bought a bike. It develops from an experience, an interest, a desire from within and from doing it in real life so I don't think there is a usual way of doing things, it always stems from something. But yeah I think rock climbing you are messing with fate, I don't think we were made for those things, our bodies some of you might believe have adapted to modern environment through evolution and adapted to suit out habitat. But I believe that god didn't create us to do everything except worship him and earn a living besides worship and getting to know him. I believe god created our bodies and designed them in such a way that every joint when it bows down in worship, is made to perform those actions in prayer and for prayer only. But I think you have done well for yourself. I'm yet to get married and I'm being patient whilst finding a wife and when I have kids of my own, I intend to carry on cycling and maybe taking up an additional sport or just stick to cycling because I feel as though I can do it all year round and is great for weight loss as some of you suggested. I know you said I don't need to lose weight and just cycle but, I really need to wear my clothes I've bought recently which cost me a lot of money and they're just sitting in wardroabe. Just a couple of casual shirts and a pair of jeans. By the way I don't have many friends, they're all into drugs and fornicating and clubbing and chasing after the world so I just have one good friend who I knew from college days, he's not religious but he's trying to make a change in his life, he's not in to cycling but plays football weekly. I guess I kinda prefer cycling on my own, don't trust strangers, had bad experience with them in past.

Are you sure you're not Catholic?

Cody

Angus Young wrote:

Are you sure you're not Catholic?

I'm a Muslim (a peaceful person who submits his will to the will of the creator).
Why do you ask, am I doing any harm to anyone?

Cody

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Took this a week ago in park, or just outside it. Got some lights on it now,put them on today infact, the ones cooldad suggested from eBay CatEye Nima. Not sure what else needs changing, maybe the quick release seat clamp in a green or gold or pedals once they've worn out? not sure. All costs money though!

paul.skibum

Cody wrote:

Rockmonkey sc - I don't believe there is a usual way. I think it has to do with some sort of a determination or a will to achieve or make a difference. For me I envisioned a goal, to lose weight and my mind kept telling me that I am not a lazy type of person, it kept telling me I was a do it and get active and keep at it type of individual. I was just lacking motivation and a little lazy. So I decided to make a change and I bought a bike. It develops from an experience, an interest, a desire from within and from doing it in real life so I don't think there is a usual way of doing things, it always stems from something. But yeah I think rock climbing you are messing with fate, I don't think we were made for those things, our bodies some of you might believe have adapted to modern environment through evolution and adapted to suit out habitat. But I believe that god didn't create us to do everything except worship him and earn a living besides worship and getting to know him. I believe god created our bodies and designed them in such a way that every joint when it bows down in worship, is made to perform those actions in prayer and for prayer only. But I think you have done well for yourself. I'm yet to get married and I'm being patient whilst finding a wife and when I have kids of my own, I intend to carry on cycling and maybe taking up an additional sport or just stick to cycling because I feel as though I can do it all year round and is great for weight loss as some of you suggested. I know you said I don't need to lose weight and just cycle but, I really need to wear my clothes I've bought recently which cost me a lot of money and they're just sitting in wardroabe. Just a couple of casual shirts and a pair of jeans. By the way I don't have many friends, they're all into drugs and fornicating and clubbing and chasing after the world so I just have one good friend who I knew from college days, he's not religious but he's trying to make a change in his life, he's not in to cycling but plays football weekly. I guess I kinda prefer cycling on my own, don't trust strangers, had bad experience with them in past.

I ride a bike because its fun.

And on a side note, buy clothes that fit you not clothes that fit someone else.

neilus

Cody, dont know if you know this online store - tons of reasonable quality stuff at very, very good prices -
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/C-10830-helm ... d-footwear
All the yellow jackets you could ever dream of
Search; choose; buy; wait; recieve; wear; ride. Its not complicated.

Angus Young

Cody wrote:

a peaceful person who submits his will to the will of the creator

Why is God so 'needy'? You'd think someone who was omnipresent and omnipotent would have a little more self-confidence and wouldn't be craving attention all the time.

Cody wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

Are you sure you're not Catholic?

Why do you ask, am I doing any harm to anyone?

Does being Catholic and doing harm go hand in hand in your opinion, then? Of course, it could be argued that anyone who believes in God is doing harm to our species by not contributing to our progress towards a greater enlightenment and understanding. Infantilising our species is not exactly productive. No, I was just wondering, as you seem to be treating this bike forum as a sort of confessional.

Cody

paul.skibum wrote:

I ride a bike because its fun.

And on a side note, buy clothes that fit you not clothes that fit someone else.[/quote]

Paul.skibum - Thing is, I'm old skool when it comes to clothing. I wear simple stuff but nowadays clothing has changed. Shops are selling tight stuff which sticks or looks feminine on men. These are signs of the end times when men will try to imitate women and vice versa. So, I bought a couple of shirts after like 9 years and they don't really fit well, so I've had to buy an extra 2 sizes up than I normally would which is quite embarrasing for me but I know no one else is going to find out, except that they'll probs see my little belly which is coming out and looks awful, but I'm exercising to get rid of it and I think cycling will help a lot to some extent. I've outgrown my jeans which I bought from Marks & Spencer in just 6 weeks. I really need to do something about it, gets me down sometimes.

Cody

neilus wrote:

Cody, dont know if you know this online store - tons of reasonable quality stuff at very, very good prices -
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/C-10830-helm ... d-footwear
All the yellow jackets you could ever dream of
Search; choose; buy; wait; recieve; wear; ride. Its not complicated.

Neilus - thanks, I'll check it out. There's not much on there for cycling but I'll have a look. I've got a Yellow running jacket, it's really bright yellow and some yellow gloves. I just wear that and it does the job.

Cody

Angus Young wrote:

Why is God so 'needy'? You'd think someone who was omnipresent and omnipotent would have a little more self-confidence and wouldn't be craving attention all the time.

Cody wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

Are you sure you're not Catholic?

Why do you ask, am I doing any harm to anyone?

Does being Catholic and doing harm go hand in hand in your opinion, then? Of course, it could be argued that anyone who believes in God is doing harm to our species by not contributing to our progress towards a greater enlightenment and understanding. Infantilising our species is not exactly productive. No, I was just wondering, as you seem to be treating this bike forum as a sort of confessional.

As I've said or someone else has said a few posts back, god was energy and scientists have proven that energy has no beginning or end, cannot be created, and cannot die. So this energy created the world and the reason for our existence is so that we may acknowledge his existence and worship him. If he didn't create the world, then who would have known he existed? So this energy needs to be glorified, he's not a man, he's not a woman, there is nothing in the heavens or earth which resembles the likeness of him. I know the Bible says "god created man in his image" and Christians have taken this literally thinking, oh yeah we look like god, but we know that it was a form of expression in roman language at that time so back then it wasn't taken literally it was like, the real meaning was, god created us the way he thought would be best for us in his mind. So we need to praise god and like I've said, if you don't believe in god you have a temporary excuse not to worship him, but deep down, something is telling you, that he exists. It's a natural feeling within all humans

Angus Young

Cody wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

Why is God so 'needy'? You'd think someone who was omnipresent and omnipotent would have a little more self-confidence and wouldn't be craving attention all the time.

Cody wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

Are you sure you're not Catholic?

Why do you ask, am I doing any harm to anyone?

Does being Catholic and doing harm go hand in hand in your opinion, then? Of course, it could be argued that anyone who believes in God is doing harm to our species by not contributing to our progress towards a greater enlightenment and understanding. Infantilising our species is not exactly productive. No, I was just wondering, as you seem to be treating this bike forum as a sort of confessional.

As I've said or someone else has said a few posts back, god was energy and scientists have proven that energy has no beginning or end, cannot be created, and cannot die. So this energy created the world and the reason for our existence is so that we may acknowledge his existence and worship him. If he didn't create the world, then who would have known he existed? So this energy needs to be glorified, he's not a man, he's not a woman, there is nothing in the heavens or earth which resembles the likeness of him. I know the Bible says "god created man in his image" and Christians have taken this literally thinking, oh yeah we look like god, but we know that it was a form of expression in roman language at that time so back then it wasn't taken literally it was like, the real meaning was, god created us the way he thought would be best for us in his mind. So we need to praise god and like I've said, if you don't believe in god you have a temporary excuse not to worship him, but deep down, something is telling you, that he exists. It's a natural feeling within all humans

If you took some time to think about what you say rather than just regurgitating something that you were told to think you might just see how hilariously daft all of that is.

It makes me sad and just a little angry to see people manipulated into wasting the short and precious time we have on earth.

cooldad

Cody

Angus Young wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

If you took some time to think about what you say rather than just regurgitating something that you were told to think you might just see how hilariously daft all of that is.

It makes med sad and just a little angry to see people manipulated into wasting the short and precious time we have on earth.

I'm not wasting my life. I'm not manipulated. When I was a child I use to sit alone and question my life purpose and existence, At all times when during silent moments I tried to doubt gods existence, I knew he existed. God says, I am closer to you than your jugular vein. I realise we are just caught up in trivial matters of no concern and fail to realise his presence. But, that's why the final prophet was sent to end prophecy from a line of prophets, he teaches us how man can raise himself up from this triviality, trial and tribulation. From confusion and error. God created us to test which of us is best in doing good deeds, he is the exalted in might, the forgiving. In the final autheiticated divine book, God asks us to look at his design in creation and he says, "You do not see in the creation of the most merciful, any inconsistencies, so return your vision to the sky, do you see any breaks? then return your vision twice again, it will return to you humbled, while it is fatigued."

The message from the final prophet was no different to other prophets, his message was a continuation of the message of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, David and Lot and all the thousands of other prophets who walked the earth. Their message was simple, we shouldn't try to over complicate it. They taught that there was only 1 god who was neither man or woman, there is a heaven and hell for both believers and evil doers and that god has a way of life in which he wants his creation to follow, so he chose certain individuals called prophets to lead by example and teach people the way in which god wants man to live his life.

This made sense to me after doing a lot of contemplation, and it just grew from there. It's called spirituality.

I'm going to get something to eat, I had porridge in the morning and I fancy a grilled fish burger with chips now.

cooldad

So god is a hermaphrodite. Snails are hermaphrodites.

Therefore god is a snail.

Quite yummy with a bit of garlic.

Which is also good for keeping vampires away.

Which are also fictional.

cooldad

paul.skibum

Cody wrote:

Paul.skibum - Thing is, I'm old skool when it comes to clothing. I wear simple stuff but nowadays clothing has changed. Shops are selling tight stuff which sticks or looks feminine on men. These are signs of the end times when men will try to imitate women and vice versa. So, I bought a couple of shirts after like 9 years and they don't really fit well, so I've had to buy an extra 2 sizes up than I normally would which is quite embarrasing for me but I know no one else is going to find out, except that they'll probs see my little belly which is coming out and looks awful, but I'm exercising to get rid of it and I think cycling will help a lot to some extent. I've outgrown my jeans which I bought from Marks & Spencer in just 6 weeks. I really need to do something about it, gets me down sometimes.

You worry that men are becoming more like women and yet you worry about your belly and how you look in your clothes? Conflicted at all?

As I say - buy clothes that fit - some shops do seel skinny jeans and tight tee shirts but you can still buy clothes that fit if you look around. I spend most of my time in a pair of 501's and a tee shirt when I am not wearing my bike or ski gear.

Cody wrote:

In the final autheiticated divine book, God asks us to look at his design in creation and he says, "You do not see in the creation of the most merciful, any inconsistencies, so return your vision to the sky, do you see any breaks? then return your vision twice again, it will return to you humbled, while it is fatigued."

No inconsistencies? The merciful God created the his perfect world with diseases to kill us, disasters to lay waste to populations? He created man as a vengeful, violent creature with conflicting versions of who He is and conflicting understandings of His teachings that bring them to war. He sent his prophets to teach man about his laws before man had learnt to write which made things a little tricky.

And what is the "final authenticated divine book" by the way? Authenticated being a very subjective view in this case I suspect.