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  • RideOnTime
    RideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    edited September 2014
    Billy Bragg was on some programme with Kevin Bridges last night and was making an argument that an independent Scotland would bring England and Scotland closer together. Mutual respect and all that. Some of his musings did seem to make some sense. Better than the Scottish 16 year-olds who had the vote but didn't really know what to do with. Oh and of course Billy Bragg hasn't got a vote...
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Hey! Since when is UK Manufacturing really that bad? I hate to tell you there is still UK Manufacturing going on. Yes, we are no Germany but we are still doing ok. I've worked for a few manufacturing companies and deal with a lot more now and we all seem to be investing and growing. Mind you I am in automotive so perhaps that is one of the exceptions. Vtech will know more. Of course you'll argue foreign owned, blahblahblah, but they are contributing to UK economy all the same. Midlands is still working it seems.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Billy Bragg make sense? Oh I missed that. Still it had to happen one day. Isn't he the red wedge singer songwriter who seems to be all union is great, working man is great and down with Thatcher, conservatives, etc.???
  • RideOnTime
    RideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    Yes that is he. Red wedge I'm not sure is that like urban Green Belt?
    Woman on Newsnight who was Scot's but can't recall name some business woman who was a strong 'No' initially said yes to Independence when asked ... she was very confused.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ster-class
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    RideOnTime wrote:
    Yes that is he. Red wedge I'm not sure is that like urban Green Belt?
    Woman on Newsnight who was Scot's but can't recall name some business woman who was a strong 'No' initially said yes to Independence when asked ... she was very confused.
    I think I got that red wedge reference right. It was a collective of leftist types from the artistic community and especially music that linked in with politics and leftist politicians such as Ken Livingstone I think to promote socialism but especially defeat Thatcher's conservative government in the '87 election. Was supported by Kinnock, Robin Cook (former home or foreign secretary under Blair IIRC) and probably Ken Livingstone/Jack Straw/etc. I was young in the 80s so I was aware of politics back then but not to the level I took it all in.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,004
    A country that raises £53 Bn (Including oil revenue) and gets to spend £65 Bn is shouting that it is being treated unfairly.
    Jeez! I thought Scousers were adept at portraying their victim status but they are amateurs in comparison. :wink:
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Ballysmate wrote:
    A country that raises £53 Bn (Including oil revenue) and gets to spend £65 Bn is shouting that it is being treated unfairly.
    Jeez! I thought Scousers were adept at portraying their victim status but they are amateurs in comparison. :wink:

    A predictable ill informed Daily Mail classic. Take the time to actually do some research and you'll find that that's a myth:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-s ... ion-public
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,004
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    A country that raises £53 Bn (Including oil revenue) and gets to spend £65 Bn is shouting that it is being treated unfairly.
    Jeez! I thought Scousers were adept at portraying their victim status but they are amateurs in comparison. :wink:

    A predictable ill informed Daily Mail classic. Take the time to actually do some research and you'll find that that's a myth:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-s ... ion-public

    Scottish Govt figures.

    http://scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,496
    A Country running at a deficit?
    Hmmm.
    I think that I have heard of something similar closer to home.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,004
    IIRC the expenditure plans for iScotland assumed a $110 per barrel price for oil. (Sorry, can't find the link.)
    Today Brent Crude is $97.70 and falling.
    Quite a volatile market to account for 15% of your revenue would you say?
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    Ballysmate wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    A country that raises £53 Bn (Including oil revenue) and gets to spend £65 Bn is shouting that it is being treated unfairly.
    Jeez! I thought Scousers were adept at portraying their victim status but they are amateurs in comparison. :wink:

    A predictable ill informed Daily Mail classic. Take the time to actually do some research and you'll find that that's a myth:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-s ... ion-public

    Scottish Govt figures.

    http://scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888
    Including Oil revenues, Scottish fiscal balance deficit was lower as a proportion of GDP than UK deficit - 7.3% vs 5.9%. What was your point?

    It is clear that Scotland can afford to be an independent country and is not going to suddenly become a Third World country overnight. Whether it should is for the people of Scotland to decide, though being divorced from little Englander types isn't the greatest loss.

    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England.
  • simonhead
    simonhead Posts: 1,399
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?
    Life isnt like a box of chocolates, its like a bag of pic n mix.
  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,004
    nathancom wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    A country that raises £53 Bn (Including oil revenue) and gets to spend £65 Bn is shouting that it is being treated unfairly.
    Jeez! I thought Scousers were adept at portraying their victim status but they are amateurs in comparison. :wink:

    A predictable ill informed Daily Mail classic. Take the time to actually do some research and you'll find that that's a myth:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-s ... ion-public

    Scottish Govt figures.

    http://scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888
    Including Oil revenues, Scottish fiscal balance deficit was lower as a proportion of GDP than UK deficit - 7.3% vs 5.9%. What was your point?

    It is clear that Scotland can afford to be an independent country and is not going to suddenly become a Third World country overnight. Whether it should is for the people of Scotland to decide, though being divorced from little Englander types isn't the greatest loss.

    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England.

    Not in the least insinuating Scotland will become a third world country, just pointing out that your Great Leader's figures don't bear scrutiny.
    From Day 1 you will be running a deficit with no LOLR and will have to borrow at higher rates than the UK does presently because you will be deemed a greater risk.
  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    Stop it Bally, you're confusing me, this is not meant to be the serious thread :? This is the light hearted, jokey, p*ss taking one :P

    Now reply to Mr Com's comment about Edinburgh and Glasgow being finer cities than most of England with the contempt it deserves :wink:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,004
    arran77 wrote:
    Stop it Bally, you're confusing me, this is not meant to be the serious thread :? This is the light hearted, jokey, p*ss taking one :P

    Now reply to Mr Com's comment about Edinburgh and Glasgow being finer cities than most of England with the contempt it deserves :wink:

    Sorry Arran, you are quite right.

    So Nathan, 'Awa an bile yer heid' :lol:
  • simonhead
    simonhead Posts: 1,399
    Will the price of Oats go up due to Porridge Tax
    Life isnt like a box of chocolates, its like a bag of pic n mix.
  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    Ballysmate wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    Stop it Bally, you're confusing me, this is not meant to be the serious thread :? This is the light hearted, jokey, p*ss taking one :P

    Now reply to Mr Com's comment about Edinburgh and Glasgow being finer cities than most of England with the contempt it deserves :wink:

    Sorry Arran, you are quite right.

    So Nathan, 'Awa an bile yer heid' :lol:

    Much better.

    Now feel free to go and continue your serious discussions with the 'intelligent' ones over in the other thread, you see seem to be doing a pretty good job of pissing on their chips :lol:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    No, it is simply a statement of fact.

    Would be really interesting to know when the last time most of you were ever in Scotland to be such experts. I suspect the Daily Mail is the main source of 'knowledge' here.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Will I need a passport after Friday to get my deep fried mars bar and pizza fix?? It's the small things you'll miss the most when they leave the union.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    I resent that comment. Never read the Daily Wail. In fact I have read the Scotsman and The Daily record more times than the Daily Wail. Just because I am English doesn't mean I have no standards! If you must push me I'm a Guardian or an Independent reader. If I am bored I also read a few FT articles but I don't like pink paper so I have to be bored. Seriously though, if you want the Daily Wail level of paranoia over Independence but won't lower yourself I can heartily recommend The Daily Telegraph. It is seriously fighting it out in the gutter with the Daily Wail!! It is comparable to that Leftist Scots paper (I forget which one now but the one that is so blatantly pro Yes it is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the Mail and the Torygraph. those 3 papers are the most biased and ignorant papers I've read in years. (Oh dear! Have I actually admitted reading the Mail after the opening comment??)
  • simonhead
    simonhead Posts: 1,399
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Will I need a passport after Friday to get my deep fried mars bar and pizza fix?? It's the small things you'll miss the most when they leave the union.

    Be prepared for a patdown at the border.
    Life isnt like a box of chocolates, its like a bag of pic n mix.
  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    nathancom wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    No, it is simply a statement of fact.

    Would be really interesting to know when the last time most of you were ever in Scotland to be such experts. I suspect the Daily Mail is the main source of 'knowledge' here.

    There must be a source for this fact other than your own bigoted beliefs :P

    As for when I've been to Scotland, plenty of times to be fair, you've got a fairly decent downhill course going on at Fort Bill.....maybe when you get your independence we could have it shifted down south please 8)
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • simonhead
    simonhead Posts: 1,399
    nathancom wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    No, it is simply a statement of fact.

    Would be really interesting to know when the last time most of you were ever in Scotland to be such experts. I suspect the Daily Mail is the main source of 'knowledge' here.

    Now dont be passing of a personal preference as fact. Now I like Edinburgh, Glasgow is OK, neither has a patch on the greatest city in the British Isles.
    Life isnt like a box of chocolates, its like a bag of pic n mix.
  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    simonhead wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    No, it is simply a statement of fact.

    Would be really interesting to know when the last time most of you were ever in Scotland to be such experts. I suspect the Daily Mail is the main source of 'knowledge' here.

    Now dont be passing of a personal preference as fact. Now I like Edinburgh, Glasgow is OK, neither has a patch on the greatest city in the British Isles.

    I too have asked for the source of his 'fact' :lol:

    Lets see what we get back :wink:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,869
    simonhead wrote:
    Will the price of Oats go up due to Porridge Tax
    Will Seano be able to afford an increase with all the oats he gets?
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  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    Veronese68 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Will the price of Oats go up due to Porridge Tax
    Will Seano be able to afford an increase with all the oats he gets?

    That's probably why we haven't seen him for a few weeks, he predicted the imminent hike in the price of oats so he's getting a job lot in before Thursday :wink:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,869
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    No, it is simply a statement of fact.

    Would be really interesting to know when the last time most of you were ever in Scotland to be such experts. I suspect the Daily Mail is the main source of 'knowledge' here.

    Now dont be passing of a personal preference as fact. Now I like Edinburgh, Glasgow is OK, neither has a patch on the greatest city in the British Isles.

    I too have asked for the source of his 'fact' :lol:

    Lets see what we get back :wink:
    Of course it's true that's why houses in the outskirts of Glasgow and Edinburgh are so expensive whilst you can't give them away near London. It's because everyone in the South East is desperate to move to the frozen wastelands of the north.
    Kinesis Pro6
    Marin Nail Trail
    Cotic Solaris
  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    Veronese68 wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    arran77 wrote:
    simonhead wrote:
    Hows this light hearted thread become so bleeding heavy?

    .........
    nathancom wrote:
    Edinburgh and Glasgow are finer cities than most of what passes for civilization in England

    Because people are making it personal and getting all bitter :wink:
    No, it is simply a statement of fact.

    Would be really interesting to know when the last time most of you were ever in Scotland to be such experts. I suspect the Daily Mail is the main source of 'knowledge' here.

    Now dont be passing of a personal preference as fact. Now I like Edinburgh, Glasgow is OK, neither has a patch on the greatest city in the British Isles.

    I too have asked for the source of his 'fact' :lol:

    Lets see what we get back :wink:
    Of course it's true that's why houses in the outskirts of Glasgow and Edinburgh are so expensive whilst you can't give them away near London. It's because everyone in the South East is desperate to move to the frozen wastelands of the north.

    Sorry, silly me :wink:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn

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