TDF Stage 17:St Gaudens-St Lary-Soulan Pla d'Adet *spoilers*

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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    OPQS wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    What made me raise my eyebrow was Majka winking at the camera, half way up the climb, with half a job done.
    He'd jumped away from Purito, having attacked him several times and was with Rolland, but still had to bridge a +30" gap to Visconti.
    No apparent stress or effort, while others were chewing the handlebars.
    It seemed so..................knowing.

    Yes, same for me. What was that conversation that Greg LeMond had with a French guy while watching LA climb in the TdF? The French guy said something about 'Look at him, no suffering' and LA was having a good old gas on his comms etc.

    It's dodgy.

    Sur le jus

    To be honest it's not just Tinkoff with dodgy geezers Contador, Rogers, Roman et al. How good is Nibali compared to a few weeks ago?

    It is still going on.
  • Coachb
    Coachb Posts: 68
    edited July 2014
    A man winks and that makes him a doper. A man starts using an asthma pump in the middle of a race and everyone defends him. :lol:
  • Coachb
    Coachb Posts: 68
    inseine wrote:
    Contador would be proud of his team mates.

    He's not dead!

    Good to see your paying attention.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Haha Blazing you are as much a Tinky hater as some hate on Sky. Majka climbed slowly...over a minute slower than Nibs on a 30min climb. He had done little work all day as his target was the stage. He hasnt come out of nowhere - he has a 6th and 7th in the Giro. Had he raced the GC at the Tour he would be top 5 currently...he said he prefers the Tour's climbs to the Giro's. Visconti is not exactly in form or a specialist climber. Joaquim has spent most of the race off the back even on flat stages. Roche did work for Majka.

    Celebration at end was a bit much but he is young and imagine how you would feel winning two big stages in the Tour. He comes across immature somewhat in interviews. Give him time.

    As for thise saying him taking a tow...watch again. Road curved to the left and Majka wanted to take the fastest line. The moto was in the way so he pushed it in frustration. So he should.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I've not really seen anything eyebrow raising. Well, aside from how people manage to try and stay interested in the race.

    If you came to cycling in the 90's or 00's you can't conceive of it being done without blood doping it appears. I'd love to know what it's supposed to look like if it's clean.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    frenchfighter wrote:
    The moto was in the way so he pushed it in frustration. So he should.

    Ha ha ha ha ha.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited July 2014
    Joelsim wrote:
    How good is Nibali compared to a few weeks ago?
    Well in the Dauphine he was 7th (and 5th in Romandie). Compared to some other GC riders currently in the top ten:

    Pinot - 15th in Tour de Suisse
    Peraud - 37th in Dauphine
    TJVG - 13th in Dauphine
    Ten Dam - 13th in TdS
    Konig - 11th in Dauphine

    And a two and a half minute buffer means you can march to the beat of your own drum
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    iainf72 wrote:
    I've not really seen anything eyebrow raising. Well, aside from how people manage to try and stay interested in the race.

    If you came to cycling in the 90's or 00's you can't conceive of it being done without blood doping it appears. I'd love to know what it's supposed to look like if it's clean.
    I'd love to know what the social media reaction would be like if two teammates today did what Hinault and LeMond did to Alpe d'Huez in 1986.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Visconti broke his leg 6months ago.

    Rolland saying he has to chose one GT or the other but if he makes the top 10 in the Tour he thinks he will be the first since Contador. He said Arashiro was exceptional.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RichN95 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I've not really seen anything eyebrow raising. Well, aside from how people manage to try and stay interested in the race.

    If you came to cycling in the 90's or 00's you can't conceive of it being done without blood doping it appears. I'd love to know what it's supposed to look like if it's clean.
    I'd love to know what the social media reaction would be like if two teammates today did what Hinault and LeMond did to Alpe d'Huez in 1986.

    Yes, or Fignon's 84 TdF. Or indeed the general La Vie Claire performance in the 86 Tour. Didn't they fill 40% of the top 10 GC.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Have to say, the "he doesn't look like he's trying hard" is my least favourite of the online drugs tests. At least with the times VAM and W/kg there are some numbers to go with the slander.

    Where to start with why I don't like it, well I just don't think it makes sense for a number of reasons, a) who spends boatloads of money on a doping regime, then just doesn't try hard (no one, but I think this feeling plays into our view of cheating dopers) b) most cyclists are taught from an early age to try and make it look like you aren't trying c) a lot of the time the riders do look like they are trying fairly hard, they don't look like they're at 100%, but that shouldn't be a surprise when you realise that they have a fair few km of mountain yet, if they were at 100%, they would blow.

    Finally, my biggest reason for it not being the best technique, Danilo Di Luca, who it seemed to me, always looked like his legs and lungs were burning in the most horrible of fashions, yet was apparently, quite a dirty rider!
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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Jez mon wrote:
    Have to say, the "he doesn't look like he's trying hard" is my least favourite of the online drugs tests. At least with the times VAM and W/kg there are some numbers to go with the slander.
    Exactly. If not looking stressed is a surefire doping indication, we might as well get the Quintana case underway right now!
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Remember when Jay-Z won the King of Mountains? He always looked absolutely dead at the end of climbs, completely shattered. He may have had 99 problems but not having CERA in his veins wasn't one.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Nibali hasn't gone near the reserve tanks. Must be the least stressful, long defence of yellow imaginable. The top 4 are a level above the rest. You can see the level Tinkoff were expecting. It would have been a GC bloodbath.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Jez mon wrote:
    Have to say, the "he doesn't look like he's trying hard" is my least favourite of the online drugs tests. At least with the times VAM and W/kg there are some numbers to go with the slander.
    I'm fond of tests which judge people according to career progression. I saw a journalist (J.Pretot) use this to justify why questions are asked of Froome and not Nibali. It not only ignores that comparing the Italian and Kenyan Federations is like comparing University to Playgroup, but also that Nibali's career progression is uncannily identical to Kreuziger's.

    (Nothing against Nibali - just the standards people use)
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
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    No obvious captions, please.
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  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    Macaloon wrote:
    Nibali hasn't gone near the reserve tanks. Must be the least stressful, long defence of yellow imaginable.

    time for him to open his legs and show his class tomorrow

    not least as I fancy a flutter on him for the stage
  • frenchfighter
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Crozza wrote:
    Macaloon wrote:
    Nibali hasn't gone near the reserve tanks. Must be the least stressful, long defence of yellow imaginable.

    time for him to open his legs and show his class tomorrow

    not least as I fancy a flutter on him for the stage

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Well I have to retract my comments re Majka and the moto as I am wrong...I should have watched it back several times rather than the once on a crappy stream. Here it is and it is clearly a pull. Glad I am not really a fan of him.
    http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/nbc ... 35&yr=2014

    Durbridge/Movistar helper crash:
    http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/nbc ... iv&yr=2014
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Apologies if this has already been posted...but this is disgusting.

    http://road.cc/content/news/124595-euro ... ent-272769
  • mm1
    mm1 Posts: 1,063
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    What made me raise my eyebrow was Majka winking at the camera, half way up the climb, with half a job done.

    No apparent stress or effort, while others were chewing the handlebars.

    Really? Plenty of close ups with sweat and snot pouring off him.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    mm1 wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    What made me raise my eyebrow was Majka winking at the camera, half way up the climb, with half a job done.

    No apparent stress or effort, while others were chewing the handlebars.

    Really? Plenty of close ups with sweat and snot pouring off him.

    Ah but that was just after he'd passed Ten Dam.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Joelsim wrote:
    Apologies if this has already been posted...but this is disgusting.

    http://road.cc/content/news/124595-euro ... ent-272769

    Albasini apologised after the race but there can be no excuses for this. In this case cycling could probably learn from football as I'm sure the consequences would be more severe.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    As an aside, Reza has been one of the stars of this Tour. Been excellent in the lead out for Coquard and has done impressive work in the mountains for Voeckler/Rolland/Gautier.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    There is about a page of discussion on it on stage 16 where it happened.
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  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Ah, yes. That Julien Prétot comment about 'Nygaard' was a joke and not fact.
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    While Nibs is very impressive, it is a lot of fun watching the frenchies go at it.

    It was nice to see TJVG fight back.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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