Wiggo broken hearted???

ginsterdrz
ginsterdrz Posts: 128
edited July 2014 in Pro race
"In the form of his life", then out of contention for TdF and now a very lacklustre performance in Switzerland.

Is this the prelude to a sad divorce from Team $ky?

Very shoddy treatment. Poor old Wiggo.
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  • speshsteve
    speshsteve Posts: 352
    self inflicted
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    speshsteve wrote:
    self inflicted

    He has definitely contributed to the situation but not sure you can lay the blame entirely at his feet. Takes two to tango and maybe he has been treated shoddily.

    Were Froome not around, His career, value to and treatment by the team would probably be very different. He does need to move on asap. Fresh start needed methinks but age is against him.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    There's already a thread about Wiggins.
  • tuneskyline
    tuneskyline Posts: 370
    morstar wrote:
    speshsteve wrote:
    self inflicted

    He has definitely contributed to the situation but not sure you can lay the blame entirely at his feet. Takes two to tango and maybe he has been treated shoddily.

    Were Froome not around, His career, value to and treatment by the team would probably be very different. He does need to move on asap. Fresh start needed methinks but age is against him.

    If Froome was not around Sky would have invested in a GC contender who can climb with the likes of Quintana and Contador. Once Froome came along he was always going to be second choice. You have to go with your best rider for a given race and Froome is their man for the big ones and it puts a dent in Wiggo's ego or he would have buckled down and rode for Froome in the tour without the drama. Wiggos best bet for glory is on the track if he can get his head right.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    People feeling sorry for him are wasting their own pity. He's getting paid an awful lot of money to toddle around Switzerland feeling sorry for himself while putting in less than 100%.
  • ginsterdrz
    ginsterdrz Posts: 128
    Froomy seems delicate both physically and mentally at the moment. I'm not betting on him to win in France.

    I think $ky are gambling without Wiggo as backup at the TdF.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    Ginsterdrz wrote:
    Froomy seems delicate both physically and mentally at the moment. I'm not betting on him to win in France.

    I think $ky are gambling without Wiggo as backup at the TdF.

    An injured Froome will do better than Sir Wiggo. Wiggo is past it as a GC rider in a grand tour. Given a weak field of climbers with a TT that can be decisive in terms of the overall then he can still challenge for GC but only in shorter races.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Ginsterdrz wrote:
    Froomy seems delicate both physically and mentally at the moment. I'm not betting on him to win in France.

    I think $ky are gambling without Wiggo as backup at the TdF.

    Does that mean you honestly think Wiggins could perform in the TdF? Seriously?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    Ginsterdrz wrote:
    Froomy seems delicate both physically and mentally at the moment. I'm not betting on him to win in France.

    I think $ky are gambling without Wiggo as backup at the TdF.
    Froome managed to win two stages before his crash, and ended up with the points jersey. Physically his taken a knock, but he'll be fine. Mentally I don't see any frailty.

    As for back ups - I'd bet on Nieve ahead of Wiggins on current form.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Yep, with Rich on this one. I'd even say Froome came out mentally ahead of Contador.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • tuneskyline
    tuneskyline Posts: 370
    iainf72 wrote:
    Yep, with Rich on this one. I'd even say Froome came out mentally ahead of Contador.

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    iainf72 wrote:
    Yep, with Rich on this one. I'd even say Froome came out mentally ahead of Contador.

    Contador's 'mistake' marking Froome on stage 8? Once he realised he put on quite a show. Froome must be worried about his resilience over 3 weeks. I think this might be behind the manic attacks on stage 2. Rather than control things he chose to blow it up while fresh, but a quite an energy cost.
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    tuneskyline wrote:
    :lol::lol::lol:

    The ultimate accolade.
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  • tim000
    tim000 Posts: 718
    just read on another forum that wiggins has had a chest infection over the weekend . how true it is is anyones guess but would expain the sudden loss of form since the tour of cali.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,972
    I think he is lucky Sky doesn't cancel his contract. There are too many sports stars who think contracts are one way things. Tevez is a good example.
  • tuneskyline
    tuneskyline Posts: 370
    Macaloon wrote:
    tuneskyline wrote:
    :lol::lol::lol:

    The ultimate accolade.

    Cheers :lol:
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    "As for Bradley, he sustained grazing and bruising to the muscles on his right leg, which will be treated overnight and the team doctor will be reviewing his injury in the morning.

    “Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”

    Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290, ... FlyqmFP.99
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  • putneypeddler
    putneypeddler Posts: 19
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I think he is lucky Sky doesn't cancel his contract. There are too many sports stars who think contracts are one way things. Tevez is a good example.


    Like it or not, he's still Sky's headline act (the company not necessarily the team) and so far this year he's been flying... Really don't understand the criticism here looking at his performances this year... Even off the bike he's been pretty much on message throughout.

    Most likely (if anything has actually been determined) Brailsford gave him the score post Tour of Cali, but we really have no idea what was said behind closed doors...

    I agree, he does seem he can be temperamental, but I don't join the dots when people say 'he had it coming' or looking at recent performances...
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,708
    Macaloon wrote:
    "As for Bradley, he sustained grazing and bruising to the muscles on his right leg, which will be treated overnight and the team doctor will be reviewing his injury in the morning.

    “Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”

    Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290, ... FlyqmFP.99

    Last time he got a cold and banged his knee he finished the rac.....oh...

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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,107
    A rider can win the Tour, Romandie, Dauphine, Paris Nice and Olympic TT in one year and yet one disaster of a Giro and he is pretty much written off. Of course he still has the potential to perform at the Tour, in the right circumstances even win it.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    So, Geraint Thomas was negotiating his new contract with the team recently.

    In the l'equipe interview Wiggins confirmed he'd not been offered an extension (yet).

    Maths and all that.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Macaloon wrote:

    Contador's 'mistake' marking Froome on stage 8? Once he realised he put on quite a show. Froome must be worried about his resilience over 3 weeks. I think this might be behind the manic attacks on stage 2. Rather than control things he chose to blow it up while fresh, but a quite an energy cost.

    Nah - Contadors mistake was his downhill attack. It said he knew under normal circumstances he's not going to get away uphill. He did the later, but there are questions about if Froome was at 100% then.

    Stage 8 he just played poker and lost. That happens in racing. I don't think either of them are going to be worrying a huge amount but IMO Froome came out slightly better.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    iainf72 wrote:
    Nah - Contadors mistake was his downhill attack. It said he knew under normal circumstances he's not going to get away uphill. He did the later, but there are questions about if Froome was at 100% then.

    Stage 8 he just played poker and lost. That happens in racing. I don't think either of them are going to be worrying a huge amount but IMO Froome came out slightly better.

    Plausible. Contador faded badly week 3 last year too. They're well matched. Contador with the stronger team. Nieve the better wingman. Game on.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,532
    Macaloon wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Nah - Contadors mistake was his downhill attack. It said he knew under normal circumstances he's not going to get away uphill. He did the later, but there are questions about if Froome was at 100% then.

    Stage 8 he just played poker and lost. That happens in racing. I don't think either of them are going to be worrying a huge amount but IMO Froome came out slightly better.

    Plausible. Contador faded badly week 3 last year too. They're well matched. Contador with the stronger team. Nieve the better wingman. Game on.

    Will Nieve be the last man or Porte? I'd have Nieve but Porte seems to be Froome's man.
  • DiscoBoy
    DiscoBoy Posts: 905
    Out of interest, if Wiggins is fit enough this year to be a GT contender, why don't/didn't Sky get him to target the Giro or the Vuelta?
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  • mr_poll
    mr_poll Posts: 1,547
    DiscoBoy wrote:
    Out of interest, if Wiggins is fit enough this year to be a GT contender, why don't/didn't Sky get him to target the Giro or the Vuelta?

    Huge Wiggo fan but

    1 - He isn't
    2 - Parcour for any of the GTs doesnt suit him
    3 - Sky need to keep longer term prospects happy (Porte, Giro - Froome - TdF, Henao - Vuelta)
    4 - He was talking of focussing on Rio 2016, which if BC stick to their word means he has to focus on track from next summer, so point 3 was defo in their minds
    5 - He is on a fat contract which is up this year, if they drop him they wont want the UCI points walking out of the team when they could go to longer term prospects
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,532
    6. They wanted him at California as he's the teams biggest draw on that side of the pond and they had a major US sponsor to keep happy.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Pross wrote:
    Will Nieve be the last man or Porte? I'd have Nieve but Porte seems to be Froome's man.

    Any Porte in a Snowstorm.
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  • putneypeddler
    putneypeddler Posts: 19
    Pross wrote:
    6. They wanted him at California as he's the teams biggest draw on that side of the pond and they had a major US sponsor to keep happy.

    Reality is he's the biggest draw this side also...

    From what I can see this isn't about performance - he has shown performances that merit selection, it's about personalities clashing...which is a shame as I really fail to understand how that couldn't be reconciled... There's perhaps more to it than is let on
  • tom3
    tom3 Posts: 287
    Can't wait to see him in the tour series next year. Hup hup hup!

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