Froome on Wiggins and more
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ddraver wrote:and in the UK, that's a much more financially rewarding option
What is, the track? Definitely not the case.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
ddraver wrote:ah dagnabbit - I just went for something lowly and unimportant, couldnt be bothered to actually look anything up
point stands though
The salary for being on the track team is a lot lower than you probably think it is. I've no source for this - and sure someone more knowledgeable will correct me - but the number I have in my head is about 25k?0 -
The young lad Matt Gibson (17) looks a very good prospect and is on the track programme. He was interviewed ahead of the Aberystwyth Tour Series, stating that his aim is to ride with a World Tour team in World Tour races.
A track career meantime will help with his development, seeing what it has done for the current crop.0 -
ddraver wrote:yes but you get money from elsewhere with shiny medals, selling Bran Flakes for example...
Sure about that? Wiggins post Athens thought he was going to be in the money, but he wasn't. Greg Rutherford long jump gold in 2012 lost all his sponsors soon after. How much in endorsements do you think someone like Steven Burke gets?0 -
mr_poll wrote:
No idea. But I'd expect they're in vastly different earning leagues. (Froome the higher of the two)...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
mr_poll wrote:
But that's not really the point is it? Froome's salary from Sky is probably about 50 times what Jason Kenny gets from British Cycling/UK Sport (and IIRC UK Sport funding is offset against external earnings in some way, so if you have a lot of endorsements your UK Sport funding will be cut)0 -
No but it is the point ddraver is making - that due to the nation and media's obsession with the Olympics that the track will open sponsorship opportunities. Hence why Hoy, Pendleton, Trott have had non cycling sponsorship. Other athletes have too, Farrar and Ennis. Yes Rutherford lost out but in 2012 there were lots of gold medalists.
As much as cycling is growing show the average man on the street a pic of Froome and they wont have a clue who it is - if he won a medal in Rio then they would. Irrespective of the salary he earns.0 -
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...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
It was cheap
And I said I'd stop. Soz....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
mr_poll wrote:No but it is the point ddraver is making - that due to the nation and media's obsession with the Olympics that the track will open sponsorship opportunities. Hence why Hoy, Pendleton, Trott have had non cycling sponsorship. Other athletes have too, Farrar and Ennis. Yes Rutherford lost out but in 2012 there were lots of gold medalists.
As much as cycling is growing show the average man on the street a pic of Froome and they wont have a clue who it is - if he won a medal in Rio then they would. Irrespective of the salary he earns.
Just not true. Have a look how many people turn out for the Tour in Yorkshire. 10 years ago you may have had a point but not now. If you had said Jason Kenny you would have been closer to the truth - I reckon plenty of club cyclists couldn't name him if you showed them a picture let alone the general public.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
argyllflyer wrote:The young lad Matt Gibson (17) looks a very good prospect and is on the track programme. He was interviewed ahead of the Aberystwyth Tour Series, stating that his aim is to ride with a World Tour team in World Tour races.
A track career meantime will help with his development, seeing what it has done for the current crop.
All the junior prospects are on or have been on the track programme - gibson, shaw, slater and so on. Even Tao G-Hart, Simon Yates etc, who are obviously massive road prospects, came through the track programme. The track is brilliant for making racers regardless of what they eventually want to become. It's kind of obvious - track makes you make race decisions continually, which mean you can learn race craft much quicker than simply road racing.0 -
PuttyKnees wrote:argyllflyer wrote:The young lad Matt Gibson (17) looks a very good prospect and is on the track programme. He was interviewed ahead of the Aberystwyth Tour Series, stating that his aim is to ride with a World Tour team in World Tour races.
A track career meantime will help with his development, seeing what it has done for the current crop.
All the junior prospects are on or have been on the track programme - gibson, shaw, slater and so on. Even Tao G-Hart, Simon Yates etc, who are obviously massive road prospects, came through the track programme. The track is brilliant for making racers regardless of what they eventually want to become. It's kind of obvious - track makes you make race decisions continually, which mean you can learn race craft much quicker than simply road racing.
It's also where the funding is concentrated as it's where the bulk of Olympic medals come from. That's why BC like to keep the top road boys riding track as long as possible, road equals 4 attempts at Olympic gold 2 of which are very risky. Track offers 10 (from memory) more controllable ways to win and secure another 4 years of lottery funding.
It's not great but it's a lot better than what we had 20 years ago.0 -
To move this on from being too man-centric. If you're a talented young female cyclist in the UK, you will get considerably more support and security by riding on the track. The road is certainly not where it is for female cyclists.Correlation is not causation.0
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Yep, very little (financial) incentive for women to concentrate on the road even if they make it to the very highest level.0
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DeVlaeminck wrote:mr_poll wrote:No but it is the point ddraver is making - that due to the nation and media's obsession with the Olympics that the track will open sponsorship opportunities. Hence why Hoy, Pendleton, Trott have had non cycling sponsorship. Other athletes have too, Farrar and Ennis. Yes Rutherford lost out but in 2012 there were lots of gold medalists.
As much as cycling is growing show the average man on the street a pic of Froome and they wont have a clue who it is - if he won a medal in Rio then they would. Irrespective of the salary he earns.
Just not true. Have a look how many people turn out for the Tour in Yorkshire. 10 years ago you may have had a point but not now. If you had said Jason Kenny you would have been closer to the truth - I reckon plenty of club cyclists couldn't name him if you showed them a picture let alone the general public.
Agree with that. Road cycling seems to have exploded in the uk.0 -
Above The Cows wrote:To move this on from being too man-centric. If you're a talented young female cyclist in the UK, you will get considerably more support and security by riding on the track. The road is certainly not where it is for female cyclists.
Yes, that's definitely true, but more of the track prospects will have to move to road, hopefully putting more pressure on increasing options for female cyclists. Eg, the current track team is pretty young, with little prospect of them moving on soon. With limited spots for Olympic trackies (1 per discipline?) there will have to be an outlet.0 -
PuttyKnees wrote:Above The Cows wrote:To move this on from being too man-centric. If you're a talented young female cyclist in the UK, you will get considerably more support and security by riding on the track. The road is certainly not where it is for female cyclists.
Yes, that's definitely true, but more of the track prospects will have to move to road, hopefully putting more pressure on increasing options for female cyclists. Eg, the current track team is pretty young, with little prospect of them moving on soon. With limited spots for Olympic trackies (1 per discipline?) there will have to be an outlet.
There will only be an outlet, though, when potential sponsors feel there will be sufficient return from sponsoring a team. Which will need a lot more TV time for women's races.0 -
Why did Froome give an interview to Daily Mail? Or am I missing something. Otherwise very odd choice of paper...obvious he doesn't know much about Britain.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:Why did Froome give an interview to Daily Mail? Or am I missing something. Otherwise very odd choice of paper...obvious he doesn't know much about Britain.
You're missing that - like it or hate it - it is one of the most widely read newspapers in the UK.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/table/2014/mar/07/abcs-national-newspapers0 -
Presumably because they offered him a wad of cash in return for an interview and I suspect his manager / fiancée (AKA 'The Blonde') said it would be a good idea. I saw the first paragraph and stopped reading at the thought of Froome doing his Honey Ryder impression emerging from the sea!0
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You should read the rest of it. He says he gets up HC MTF on two espressos laced with honey.Contador is the Greatest0
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PuttyKnees wrote:Above The Cows wrote:To move this on from being too man-centric. If you're a talented young female cyclist in the UK, you will get considerably more support and security by riding on the track. The road is certainly not where it is for female cyclists.
Yes, that's definitely true, but more of the track prospects will have to move to road, hopefully putting more pressure on increasing options for female cyclists. Eg, the current track team is pretty young, with little prospect of them moving on soon. With limited spots for Olympic trackies (1 per discipline?) there will have to be an outlet.
UCI recently announced changed - 2 reps per nation per discipline for Rio
Also, extreme talent will find a way. Look at Katie Archibald. Dani King even dropped in favour of Archibald in the TP squad at the last Worlds.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:PuttyKnees wrote:Above The Cows wrote:To move this on from being too man-centric. If you're a talented young female cyclist in the UK, you will get considerably more support and security by riding on the track. The road is certainly not where it is for female cyclists.
Yes, that's definitely true, but more of the track prospects will have to move to road, hopefully putting more pressure on increasing options for female cyclists. Eg, the current track team is pretty young, with little prospect of them moving on soon. With limited spots for Olympic trackies (1 per discipline?) there will have to be an outlet.
UCI recently announced changed - 2 reps per nation per discipline for Rio
Also, extreme talent will find a way. Look at Katie Archibald. Dani King even dropped in favour of Archibald in the TP squad at the last Worlds.
Hadn't realised that. Looks more and more like they had an agenda at London! Looking forward to a whole host of Welsh girls in the Rio squad.0
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