Giro 2014 - Stage 6 - Sassano-Montecassino * Spoiler *

iainf72

frenchfighter wrote:

I really cant believe this. Had Fabu been out front he would have neutralised those idiots. No morals these days not like the old days.

Nonsense. BMC and OGE were already riding really hard on the front. They didn't attack after the crash, they just kept on riding. Which was the right thing to do.

RichN95.

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Velorooms is good at updating the casualty list and it is potentially bad.
Rai report Purito has broken rib/s and won't start. In hospital along with Caruso and Vicioso.
Tuttobici is reporting from 1st injury check that Scarponi probably won't start.
Sky DS has said that Ben Swift is doubtful.
(Ben Swift by some way, last man home, so I guess it's true that he won't start, either.)

Cioni says all of Sky seem OK. He's talking about Swift trying to win tomorrow.

inseine

I think it's nonsense to say BMC etc should have sat up. In the heat of a race you can't assimilate and react to reports of every crash.

blazing_saddles

RichN95 wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Velorooms is good at updating the casualty list and it is potentially bad.
Rai report Purito has broken rib/s and won't start. In hospital along with Caruso and Vicioso.
Tuttobici is reporting from 1st injury check that Scarponi probably won't start.
Sky DS has said that Ben Swift is doubtful.
(Ben Swift by some way, last man home, so I guess it's true that he won't start, either.)

Cioni says all of Sky seem OK. He's talking about Swift trying to win tomorrow.

He must have been sightseeing, then.

Jani Brajkovic confirmed broken elbow.

Arguing about BMC's action and some guys losing a few seconds seems irrelevant, when compared
to the carnage caused by the crash.

No news on Roche, Arredondo or Pirrazi as yet.

fleshtuxedo

So any news on Caruso?

iainf72

J-Rod confirmed out

ddraver

Macaloon wrote:

Are these surfaces the same as they raced on last year? It didn't seem nearly as dangerous, despite several racing descents. An ancient town centre circuit I can understand being unpredictable, but today's carnage was on a modern roundabout.

Well I remember a certain stage last year being a crash fest and gifting the GC to a rider bar the shouting too. The only difference is that becasue it was a Sky rider who suffered last year it was put down to lack of bike skill and panache

tom3

On one hand it was a racing incident. On the other it was caused by outside forces out of their control.

Raining - fair enough. Dangerous roads because of the rain the riders have no control of, the same way the riders couldn't control the tac incident in the tour. For this I'm leaning towards bmc should have sat up.

The weather in the giro will continue in this fashion. There must be some kind of treatment for the roads the morning of the race to properly clean off all the grime, oil etc that is turning the roads to ice when it rains.

Anonymous

J Rod abandons.

frenchfighter

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

tom3

frenchfighter wrote:

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

I would agree with that given his actions earlier in the race with neutralising. I wonder if he felt pressured to ride on this time given the sh@t he took previously.

frenchfighter

iainf72 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

I really cant believe this. Had Fabu been out front he would have neutralised those idiots. No morals these days not like the old days.

Nonsense. BMC and OGE were already riding really hard on the front. They didn't attack after the crash, they just kept on riding. Which was the right thing to do.

I didnt say they attacked. The right thing would be to sit up. It wasnt like one GC rider went down, almost all the peloton WENT DOWN LIKE SKITTLES. Not a normal crash - due to absolutely unsuitable roads. The Giro needs to avoid this area of the country next time.

I guess Cadel Evans is not confident and is going for every trick in the book. Hope he bonks or crashes and loses a packet. Gone down in my estimation.

frenchfighter

tom3 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

I would agree with that given his actions earlier in the race with neutralising. I wonder if he felt pressured to ride on this time given the sh@t he took previously.

Yeah I guess if others are riding it makes sense to continue. I dont think he or his team ever road the front.

frenchfighter

“The crash happened in the front of the group because we were all up there,” Uran said in a team release. “All of the GC guys went down or were held up except Evans. Fortunately, I only have a few scratches and a contusion on my left side, the elbow and hip specifically. Fortunately it is nothing serious.”

fleshtuxedo

tom3 wrote:

There must be some kind of treatment for the roads the morning of the race to properly clean off all the grime, oil etc that is turning the roads to ice when it rains.

They should have cleaned and degreased 257km of roads last night? You don't know where is greasy or where or when it will rain...

tom3

One thing is for sure. If the shoe was on the other foot, cuddles would have been having a monumental tantrum to anybody and everybody that will listen.

frenchfighter

tom3 wrote:

One thing is for sure. If the shoe was on the other foot, cuddles would have been having a monumental tantrum to anybody and everybody that will listen.

+1, nearly mentioned this myself.

I didnt see an interview with him. Want to see him try and justify his actions today.

fleshtuxedo

frenchfighter wrote:

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

Who was that in fancy dress as his teammate pulling the break along then? I guess things evolved on the road.

tom3

FleshTuxedo wrote:

tom3 wrote:

There must be some kind of treatment for the roads the morning of the race to properly clean off all the grime, oil etc that is turning the roads to ice when it rains.

They should have cleaned and degreased 257km of roads last night? You don't know where is greasy or where or when it will rain...

Pinch points such as roundabouts where cars stop and drop oil may be a good place to start.

frenchfighter

When a gap was created riders of BMC and Orica-GreenEdge started to increase the pace. - Wellens (Lotto)

Cioni:
"Bernie and CJ were our only riders not to come down in the crash, but they were still caught up behind it and they waited to make sure everyone else was OK. Fortunately, it looks like none of our riders went down too badly, but we’ll continue to assess them overnight and then see how things stand in the morning.
“It was a really unlucky situation as it had only just started to rain and if they had passed that spot 10 minutes beforehand then everyone would have been fine.
“Not surprisingly, the mood wasn’t great on the bus at the end and Cataldo was disappointed that he lost time on the GC. He did a good ride on the last climb though to limit his losses and dropped some good riders along the way. That proves he’s in good form and we’ll continue to look out for him on the GC.
“This is a long race and we’ve seen already that things can change every day. It’s not impossible for him to get back in contention and there’s a long way to go.

Derk Demol:
“It was chaos – mechanics were running over each other to assist their riders, and everyone was stopped for three to four minutes. We started the race under nice weather but then at the end - rain again! Iit’s like it must rain everyday here in the Giro. And the roads here are so slippery... even the mechanics that were running to help their riders were falling!”

“Many, many teams had bad luck today, and we, too, had a part of that. In the last 30-40K we helped to take the race in hand, we were pulling, and we were all in good position. And then the massive crash. I am not sure how many went down, but our guy for the day, Julian [Arredondo], crashed and his bike was broken. His race was over.

“The team has been riding so well, and we have already been three times in the top three; that has given everyone a lot of confidence. The team plan today was to ride for Julian again, and the team had protected him all day. He even said in the radio that he felt good...but that’s how it is. I believe today he would have been really close for the victory. It’s just bad luck.”


“I was in the middle of the crash and somehow I did not go down. I was one centimeter from [Giampaolo] Caruso – I was lucky. But I did not panic. I just slowed, and did not brake hard - that way even if I did crash, at least I don't crash hard. Unlike yesterday, with the late puncture, I had the luck on my side today.”

- Robert Kiserlovski

iainf72

frenchfighter wrote:

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

Why didn't he sit up then? If he felt that strongly about it?

frenchfighter

Cadel Evans ‏@CadelOfficial May 13
Thanks for understanding and anticipating the conditions @giroditalia . Sorry, but if we can't stay on our bikes...we can't race. #goodsense

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

blazing_saddles

frenchfighter wrote:

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

What other teams? The was only BMC and a couple of stragglers.
He's only saying that cos he knows he'll be seeing Luca Paolini in the morning. :P

tom3 wrote:

One thing is for sure. If the shoe was on the other foot, cuddles would have been having a monumental tantrum to anybody and everybody that will listen.

Well, I hate to say it, but you are not wrong.
( I don't actually hate to say it.)

Steven Kruiswijk in hospital, no news as yet.

Someone asked about Caruso? broken shoulder, to go with his other break in Ireland.

frenchfighter

iainf72 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

MICHAEL MATTHEWS SAID HIS TEAM DEFINITELY DIDNT RIDE AFTER THE CRASH HAPPENED. THEY TRIED TO NEUTRALISE THE RACE BUT OTHER TEAMS WANTED TO STILL RIDE.

Why didn't he sit up then? If he felt that strongly about it?

He is not a GC rider and if some losers are going to ride he may as well hold their wheel. Either the time gaps get annulled and he gets a stage win or he gets a stage win and blames it on the people on front and everyone will be on his side.

iainf72

tom3 wrote:

One thing is for sure. If the shoe was on the other foot, cuddles would have been having a monumental tantrum to anybody and everybody that will listen.

You mean like in 2010 Giro?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/giro-d ... -3/results

frenchfighter

@cannondalePro 5 mins
Team doctor confirmed subdislocation of the humeral head of the left shoulder as well as heavy contusion for @Davide_villella #Giro

iainf72

Clearly races should just be decided in a lab based on who can produce the most W or something.

When did this whole "sit up and wait" nonsense start? It's pretty recent.

RichN95.

iainf72 wrote:

When did this whole "sit up and wait" nonsense start? It's pretty recent.

Armstrong waiting for Ullrich is the first time I can remember it happening (2001?). Certainly no-one waited when they all crashed on the causeway in the 1999 Tour.

One thing's for certain, Hinault and Merckx wouldn't have had their teams drilling it on the front like Evans did. They would have done it themselves to make sure it was done properly.

frenchfighter

Quintana:


engo bastantes golpes, en el hombro, codo, cadera, en las dos rodillas… la verdad es que ha sido una caída inevitable; creo que más de medio pelotón nos hemos ido al suelo. De nuestro equipo, la mitad más uno; y del resto, supongo que parecido. Me he levantado bastante rápido con la ayuda de Ventoso, que estaba a mi lado, y hemos podido enlazar con el grupo perseguidor y allí mis compañeros han hecho un trabajo increíble. Lo han hecho fenomenal, pero ya estábamos muy lejos y era difícil recuperar. Creo que tenemos que estar agradecidos porque aunque tenemos golpes, ninguno hemos tenido que ir al hospital y eso es lo importante porque nos permite seguir en la pelea.
Está siendo una semana muy difícil por el mal tiempo. El día de la crono tuvimos ya mala suerte y eso nos hizo perder más tiempo del debido, pero después habíamos pasado los días y habíamos librado bastantes caídas hasta hoy. Es un tiempo importante con Evans, pero como digo estoy agradecido a no tener nada serio. Las caídas de estos dos días son normales porque en la zona llevaba mucho tiempo sin llover y la carretera se convierte en jabón. Es muy difícil controlar la bicicleta en esas condiciones y mucho más, a 60 por hora. Mis piernas siguen cogiendo tono y ahora esperar que las sensaciones sigan siendo buenas con la llegada de la montaña el sábado con una etapa ya dura de verdad. Ojalá que el mal tiempo se acabe ya y dejemos de mojarnos, pero por las predicciones, parece que será complicado

Google translate
ngo enough hits , shoulder , elbow, hip, both knees ... the truth is that it was an inevitable fall ; I think over half platoon we have gone down . In our team, half plus one ; and the rest , I guess I like it. I got up pretty quickly with the help of Windy, who was beside me , and we were able to connect with the chasers and there my colleagues have done an incredible job . They have done great, but we were very far away and difficult to recover . I think we have to be thankful that we even strokes , none have had to go to hospital and that is important because it allows us to continue the fight.
It's been a very difficult week by bad weather . The day of the time trial and had bad luck and that made us lose more time due , but after we had passed the day and had delivered many falls today. It is an important time with Evans, but as I say I'm grateful to have nothing serious. Falls of these two days is normal because the area had long been no rain and the road becomes soap. It is very difficult to control the bike in these conditions and more than 60 per hour. My legs are fucking tone and now expected to remain good feelings with the arrival of the mountain on Saturday with a tough stage and really. I hope that bad weather was already getting wet end and stop , but the predictions , it seems to be complicated

frenchfighter

BMC DS:
"I've already heard the polemics but what could we do? They were in front, they were already riding and they were up there in a favourable position," Piva told Cyclingnews. "Risks are part of the race. I'm sorry for the riders who fell but we weren't the only ones who were riding. There was Orica up there with three riders because they had the jersey and wanted to win the stage. I'm sorry but in these moments you can't do anything."

Piva himself was at the roadside checking on BMC's own crash victims - Samuel Sanchez, Yannick Eijssen and Ben Hermans - and by the time he returned to the race convoy, Evans, Oss and Morabito were off the front. "There was chaos after that crash and it was hard to figure out how the race was at that point," he said. "It was only then that we saw there was this little group in front with Cadel, Morabito and Oss."

"We knew that it would be very dangerous, we knew that there was the roundabout coming up where a lot of riders would be braking and we were telling our riders every minute to stay in front and not to give up their positions," Piva said. "I'm sure the other teams were doing that too, but we just had that bit of luck. Joaquim Rodriguez didn't have it, Uran fell, a lot of leaders fell but that's the race. I can't say much more."