Power meter - am I wasting my money?
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Supermurph09 wrote:MoscowFlyer wrote:Just ordered the Stages Ultegra which will be with me tomorrow (as long as their stock levels are showing correctly). Cheapest option for me and as a general commuter/sportive rider who does the odd race and TT, it's probably overkill but I like the extra numbers I'll have to play with. It's all good fun, right?
Where did you order from? What crank length did you get?
175mm from Merlin Cycles, got a despatch email but until it's in my hands I'll still be a bit cautious. Their website is still showing stock of 175 and 170.
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OK, I need the 172.5mm. Rutland Cycling have those, just waiting to pull the trigger.Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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It appears they've been flying off the shelves since Sky decided to use them, apparently there's not going to be any fresh stock until late July/early August from what the distributors are apparently saying, so I wouldn't hang around if you really want one.0
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colinsmith123 wrote:Which one to replace my knackered PT?
I have a 7900 DA and the rings are in good nick. The 105 on my winter bike is past it's Use-By date; rings worn out and bearing surface pitted.
I've just swapped my da9000 for a P2M with Rotor3d crank (the one with 24mm spindle), it's a straight swap with no messing with BBs
Email P2M, tell them what BB and frame you have and they'll give you the options.0 -
colinsmith123 wrote:Which one to replace my knackered PT?
I have a 7900 DA and the rings are in good nick. The 105 on my winter bike is past it's Use-By date; rings worn out and bearing surface pitted.
I am leaning towards the Stages asethetically, but will still need to buy another 105 chainset for the winter bike.
Quarq looks good and is now available without rings so options there.
I cannot figure out which Power2Max to put in to the equation. Give me a push
All to go on a Cervelo R3SL if that matters.
The money is burning a hole in my pocket and if I'm not careful, will turn in to a sofa.
Or
http://www.vervecycling.com/0 -
For anyone looking to purchase a Stages Power meter, check out Pelican Cyles in Chesterfield, I'm picking mine up tomorrow!
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Ordered from rutland after the tip here and it was delivered today, great service and quick response to emails . Cant wait to try it out.0
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As the OP, I thought I would give a bit of a progress report now that I've been using the Stages for about 3 weeks. Its a great thumbs up from me for what I wanted; which was:
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something to add a new interest during rides;
a way of measuring improvement (or otherwise).
As for software, I tried Golden Cheatah, and it was fine. However; I prefer the better facility for planning and moving workouts around (drag& drop) in the calender that comes with Training Peaks. Of course, it costs, but I certainly get value from it.
I will never be a fast rider (far too old), and most other riders pass me easily; some may laugh at someone so old/slow using a power meter, but I couldnt care less. Definately money well spent. Thanks again to those who encouraged me.posting.php?mode=reply&f=40011&t=12964524#0 -
So on saturday I had my stages PM installed, then did the Tour of the Peak yesterday. The ride itself went well up to the start of Holme Moss when my seatpost came loose, 4 miles on a clown bike and then 60 miles with an ill fitting bike wasnt much fun, but enough of my woes....
This was my first experience of using a PM but I was aware of an idea of wattages prior to riding so I wasnt completely in the dark. After a few miles of using it I got an idea of what I could hold in terms of power and what I couldnt so first time out I was really pleased with my purchase. I think its going to be a great tool for me once I have established my FTP.Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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On another note, I currently have the Garmin GSC 10 attached to my bike with the spoke magnet. I understand the Stages PM will provide the cadence as well as power? I'm using the Edge 500, do I still need any of the garmin sensors on the bike?Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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Supermurph09 wrote:On another note, I currently have the Garmin GSC 10 attached to my bike with the spoke magnet. I understand the Stages PM will provide the cadence as well as power? I'm using the Edge 500, do I still need any of the garmin sensors on the bike?
I have taken the GSC-10 off of my best bike to save weight but left it on my training bike as I like to get an indication of 'speed' when I am on the Turbo. "You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul0 -
The only real reason for leaving the GSC-10 attached is if you want more precise speed measurement than GPS can provide. So if you want to set top speed records down steep descents you still need it.Supermurph09 wrote:On another note, I currently have the Garmin GSC 10 attached to my bike with the spoke magnet. I understand the Stages PM will provide the cadence as well as power? I'm using the Edge 500, do I still need any of the garmin sensors on the bike?
I've lived without it since I installed a power meter some years ago. The cadence readings from the Power2Max PM are delayed slightly with respect to reality and match the power report. This doesn't bother me at all.
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The new Garmin speed sensor straps to the hub and has no magnet. It also only measures wheel rotation. There's another sensor (redundant with the Stages) measuring cadence which straps to the crank arm.ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0
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Loving my Stages so far. Four days in Majorca just gone and it was interesting to see my power output up all the main climbs, this is where Strava becomes worth it for premium. It also served as a motivational tool, when I was lagging on some climbs I sometimes realised I was well below FTP and so knew I could push a bit harder. Still getting to terms with all the numbers but am reading the training and racing with a PM book so soon I'll hopefully be able to train a bit wiser.0
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Yes - I think being able to objectively see what power you're putting out in lots of differing circumstances is great.ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0
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In terms of measuring speed, I like to know how fast I'm going down hill so when I hit 40mph I can back off!! I guess the GPS can handle that so I will remove the GSC10 completely and let the stages handle cadence.Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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i ordered my Stages from here, emailed them first about the 4-5 weeks delivery time and they said 10 days, hope thats true.
http://www.stagescycling.eu/shop/ROAD/Shimano/0 -
eddiefiola wrote:i ordered my Stages from here, emailed them first about the 4-5 weeks delivery time and they said 10 days, hope thats true.
http://www.stagescycling.eu/shop/ROAD/Shimano/
I hope that is true, too. Come back in 10 days and confirm and I think they'll receive a string of orders.Live to ski
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Why wait? Pelican have them in stock now.Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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never heard of them and they don't have them in their online shop, glad you found stock but ordered now, I can wait.0
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meanredspider wrote:The new Garmin speed sensor straps to the hub and has no magnet. It also only measures wheel rotation. There's another sensor (redundant with the Stages) measuring cadence which straps to the crank arm.
Cant find it Spider, can you post a link please.0 -
FatTed wrote:meanredspider wrote:The new Garmin speed sensor straps to the hub and has no magnet. It also only measures wheel rotation. There's another sensor (redundant with the Stages) measuring cadence which straps to the crank arm.
Cant find it Spider, can you post a link please.
I don't know if it's available on its own yet but you can find it as part of the current Garmin 1000 Performance bundle (that I have).
Here's a pic (from the DC Rainmaker review)
It's the item at the top and has an integrated strap.ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0 -
Spider you must be right, not available on its own.
My LBS has heaps of stages power meters0 -
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Stalin wrote:
Why?
It would help if you would summarise why it's worth reading.
Link doesn't work for me, which is why I ask.0 -
Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:Stalin wrote:
Why?
It would help if you would summarise why it's worth reading.
Link doesn't work for me, which is why I ask.
It's 134 pages, a student's thesis I assume. Covers power meters and their uses, training etc.
Abstract
Aim
This critical review is aimed at the methods, concepts and theories currently employed and advocated by users of mobile power meters (PM) in cycling and the physiological and pedagogical implications they have for training, racing and performance testing.
Conclusions
This review has shown that there are several very promising methods, concepts and theories related to the use of PM’s in cycling. Presently, however, most of these are in need of further research to investigate their affect on performance and how to improve their validity and reliability.
I thought it balanced and found it contained a lot of info which anyone considering buying a power meter might find interesting. It is not anti power meter in any way. No doubt there is nothing in it you don't know already. And I don't know if he got a fail or a pass.
Here is the link again, don't know why it doesn't work for you.
http://www.toppfysik.nu/wp-content/uplo ... icsson.pdf0 -
Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:Why?
It would help if you would summarise why it's worth reading.
Link doesn't work for me, which is why I ask.
You might be interested -- you might also remember him from the Wattage Group, where he had some titanic arguments with Coggan. His thesis (it doubled as an MA and BA thesis) was based on topics taken from the Wattage Group. I looked at it a couple of years ago so I don't remember it well but, um, we were sort of the research subjects.0 -
[/quote]It's 134 pages, a student's thesis I assume. Covers power meters and their uses, training etc.
I thought it balanced and found it contained a lot of info which anyone considering buying a power meter might find interesting. It is not anti power meter in any way. No doubt there is nothing in it you don't know already. And I don't know if he got a fail or a pass. [/quote]
I wondered the same. I read through the first 20 odd pages and skip read the rest. It seems from what I read, this thesis pulls together comments quotes and analysis by others, rather than a piece of unique research in its own right.
Having not done a degree I am ill qualified to judge.Live to ski
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anyone ordered from
http://www.powermeter24.com
they have what i need in stock, with free delivery to the UK - for £85 less than the UK price0 -
colinsmith123 wrote:
Having not done a degree I am ill qualified to judge.
Plenty of people who have done a degree are ill qualified.0
