Carlton Kirby
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Don't think so. I pay to watch Eurosport and therefore surely I can express my opinion on what I am paying for.inseine wrote:Am I along in thinking, like him or not, this is a bit like cyber bullying?0 -
if it was just bad commentary then maybe, but add in he does some rascism then you can justify the complaints.
Wonder if Eurosport even listen to what he comes out with. I've tweeted them before about some of the close to the mark stuff he comes out with0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:inseine wrote:Am I along in thinking, like him or not, this is a bit like cyber bullying?
You mean the cyber motorbike is a bit close to the rider for my liking?
Not in the slightest, carry on there chaps. When listeners tweet with a genuine complaint about my bad Italian-isms, and I basically tell them to F off live on air, then it's GAME ON. LIGHT IT UP.
I hope you all noted my continued obsession with tan-levels yesterday, when talking about 'big' Pippo and his 'winter tan levels'.
Of course, I have absolutely no clue he's recently been training out in Gran Canaria with Matteo Tossato. Research is not an option for me.0 -
"But the likes of Eurosport offer us fans plenty of good coverage and because they know that a lot of the audience are hardcore cycling fans they can spend time on air talking about tactics and tech rather than cheese and castles"
From Innrng
http://inrng.com/2017/03/shrinking-audi ... sequences/
Now I don't have to suffer Kirby as I live in Denmark, but Eurosport's coverage is far, far less analytical than Rolf Sørensen on TV2.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:"But the likes of Eurosport offer us fans plenty of good coverage and because they know that a lot of the audience are hardcore cycling fans they can spend time on air talking about tactics and tech rather than cheese and castles"
From Innrng
http://inrng.com/2017/03/shrinking-audi ... sequences/
Now I don't have to suffer Kirby as I live in Denmark, but Eurosport's coverage is far, far less analytical than Rolf Sørensen on TV2.
Guess it is commentator dependent. A Rob Hatch / Sean Kelly combo gives you a very different experience to Carlton & Maggie.0 -
It's not just that Kirby lacks the knowledge of the sport he's commentating on, it's his basic broadcasting skills that are also appalling.
Why does a professional telly commentator feel the need to say "as you can see" every 30 seconds. Of course I can see what's happening, I'm watching the telly.
And his constant countdown of the distance remaining "35.2k's to go......35.1k's to go......35k's to go....". Does he not realise there's a graphic at the top of the screen that tells me exactly how far there is to go.
Imagine if he commentated on football...
"Here comes Wayne "Dish out the Pain" Rooney, my pick for todays 1st goal, as you can see, he's charging up the wing, 84 mins to go, as you can see, he passes to Juan "The Man" Mata, who I think is a good shout for scoring today, as you can see, 83 mins to go, Mata passes back to Rooney, as you can see, 82 mins to go...."0 -
bobbydazzla wrote:It's not just that Kirby lacks the knowledge of the sport he's commentating on, it's his basic broadcasting skills that are also appalling.
Why does a professional telly commentator feel the need to say "as you can see" every 30 seconds. Of course I can see what's happening, I'm watching the telly.
And his constant countdown of the distance remaining "35.2k's to go......35.1k's to go......35k's to go....". Does he not realise there's a graphic at the top of the screen that tells me exactly how far there is to go.
Imagine if he commentated on football...
"Here comes Wayne "Dish out the Pain" Rooney, my pick for todays 1st goal, as you can see, he's charging up the wing, 84 mins to go, as you can see, he passes to Juan "The Man" Mata, who I think is a good shout for scoring today, as you can see, 83 mins to go, Mata passes back to Rooney, as you can see, 82 mins to go...."
To be fair to CK on the counting down the Ks - I think they have to do that regularly for when the live recording is cut down later for the highlights prog - they'll drop adverts in before they come back later in the race so the 'K count' gives notice to the viewer they've moved the race on a bit.0 -
YorkshireRaw wrote:bobbydazzla wrote:It's not just that Kirby lacks the knowledge of the sport he's commentating on, it's his basic broadcasting skills that are also appalling.
Why does a professional telly commentator feel the need to say "as you can see" every 30 seconds. Of course I can see what's happening, I'm watching the telly.
And his constant countdown of the distance remaining "35.2k's to go......35.1k's to go......35k's to go....". Does he not realise there's a graphic at the top of the screen that tells me exactly how far there is to go.
Imagine if he commentated on football...
"Here comes Wayne "Dish out the Pain" Rooney, my pick for todays 1st goal, as you can see, he's charging up the wing, 84 mins to go, as you can see, he passes to Juan "The Man" Mata, who I think is a good shout for scoring today, as you can see, 83 mins to go, Mata passes back to Rooney, as you can see, 82 mins to go...."
To be fair to CK on the counting down the Ks - I think they have to do that regularly for when the live recording is cut down later for the highlights prog - they'll drop adverts in before they come back later in the race so the 'K count' gives notice to the viewer they've moved the race on a bit.
Not sure if CK is intelligent enough to plan that far ahead !
Wonder how many times he will laugh at his own jokes, or talk about a climb on the stage, without realising they've already been over it.0 -
I don't think his not being able to follow the race is a huge problem, we can see well enough for ourselves. Tbh it's quite funny when he says one thing, his co-commentator *suggests* differently, and he still thinks he's right despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.
Which brings me to the thing that really does annoy me about him, is how he keeps cutting off his co-commentators when they're clearly more knowledgeable and often much funnier. I remember last year in TdF when the recipe guy (sorry forgot his name) was half way through giving his political opinion on something (which I found very entertaining) and CK cut him off almost mid sentence to go to the race which was 100km to go with nothing happening...0 -
The Turbo is at max revs having just been caught out in crosswind.
I fear Kirby will be at it again.
Re the RCS: A prime example of short term thinking. Take the money and run and hope that the races don't suffer down the line."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
sherer wrote:YorkshireRaw wrote:bobbydazzla wrote:It's not just that Kirby lacks the knowledge of the sport he's commentating on, it's his basic broadcasting skills that are also appalling.
Why does a professional telly commentator feel the need to say "as you can see" every 30 seconds. Of course I can see what's happening, I'm watching the telly.
And his constant countdown of the distance remaining "35.2k's to go......35.1k's to go......35k's to go....". Does he not realise there's a graphic at the top of the screen that tells me exactly how far there is to go.
Imagine if he commentated on football...
"Here comes Wayne "Dish out the Pain" Rooney, my pick for todays 1st goal, as you can see, he's charging up the wing, 84 mins to go, as you can see, he passes to Juan "The Man" Mata, who I think is a good shout for scoring today, as you can see, 83 mins to go, Mata passes back to Rooney, as you can see, 82 mins to go...."
To be fair to CK on the counting down the Ks - I think they have to do that regularly for when the live recording is cut down later for the highlights prog - they'll drop adverts in before they come back later in the race so the 'K count' gives notice to the viewer they've moved the race on a bit.
Not sure if CK is intelligent enough to plan that far ahead !
Wonder how many times he will laugh at his own jokes, or talk about a climb on the stage, without realising they've already been over it.
He'll have producer in his ear every few minutes asking for it.0 -
Poor Big Maggy! Kirby wants to take him for a steamburger tonight
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Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Poor Big Maggy! Kirby wants to take him for a steamburger tonight
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Too right. Followed by a trip to the tanning salon. He'll love it.0 -
Drshoe wrote:I don't think his not being able to follow the race is a huge problem, we can see well enough for ourselves. Tbh it's quite funny when he says one thing, his co-commentator *suggests* differently, and he still thinks he's right despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.
Which brings me to the thing that really does annoy me about him, is how he keeps cutting off his co-commentators when they're clearly more knowledgeable and often much funnier. I remember last year in TdF when the recipe guy (sorry forgot his name) was half way through giving his political opinion on something (which I found very entertaining) and CK cut him off almost mid sentence to go to the race which was 100km to go with nothing happening...
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Today's hilarity: Tom Boonen keeps threatening to retire but doesn't and has had more comebacks than Duran Duran. Belgium isn't really big enough for a stage race (Maggie pointed our that there's also a Tour of Belgium).
I don't know where he pulls this stuff from. There was probably more but I had it on mute most of the time.0 -
As well as the Tour de Wallonie and the Eneco when it drops by0
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In other, Eurosport commentator related news, they've axed Flecha and Ashley post stage programme.0
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This is the place to mention this.
Ashley House and JA Flecha have been binned by Eurosport. They weren't perfect but I like them.
I just hope they haven't given a bigger role to Mr 92 VO2 so he can cast doubt on everyone who is not him. (Largely becuase he is boring, rather than his doping stuff)
Not to everyone's tastes, but I'd love them to get Jens Voigt involved.
(Edit: I probably should have read the post before this one)Twitter: @RichN950 -
Completely agree. Lemond adds very little. Voigt is much nicer to listen too. As so often in sports, the best athletes are seldom the best on tv.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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Shame they've ditched Ashley House I thought he was good - almost a class above your usual Eurosport presenter - Flecha was OK too - maybe not the most polished but likeable and close enough to being a current rider still to offer some genuine insights into the modern sport.
I don't mind LeMond - he does need to get over the doping stuff but I quite like him even if he is a bit amateur hour as a TV presenter. I agree though I wouldn't want him to be given a bigger role than he's had - small doses as a kind of nod to the history of the sport but he is too far out of it to fill the role of cyclist pundit.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
It was kinda amusing yesterday to watch the other half, who hardly watches pro-cycling, get more and more infuriated at Carlton while we were watching RVV. Her words: "he's an idiot", "I can see that, tell me something I don't know", "no it isn't", "how does he have this job, did they just pick someone off the street"... it went on and on...
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In Strade Bianche he said "he's starting to believe!" when Kwia had about 1k to go and only a catastrophic mechanical could have stopped him winning.
Yesterday he said exactly the same when Gilbert still had 40km+ to go and before Sagan crashed.
He's such a cretin.0 -
He was insufferable yesterday. TV went on mute very early on which is a real shame because I quite like Kelly's insight. I sort of feel cheated by having to completely mute the TV. It's almost as if I'm losing some of the atmosphere of watching the race (which sounds weird).0
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SPaM02 wrote:He was insufferable yesterday. TV went on mute very early on which is a real shame because I quite like Kelly's insight. I sort of feel cheated by having to completely mute the TV. It's almost as if I'm losing some of the atmosphere of watching the race (which sounds weird).
Eurosport player had the same coverage but without commentary - so you get the atmospheric noises, and the team car conversations.
I don't mind a few mistakes, but can't stand the constant need to be talking even when there's nothing to say. Kelly is just as bad for that.0 -
Did I hear wrongly, or did he paraphrase the lyrics from Voodoo Chile during yesterday's race?0
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Unless I misheard it wasn't there a bit before the Muur where he started getting excited talking about Boonen and Gilbert making a temporary truce as former team mates to work together. I'm guessing he got confused due to Gilbert having the national jersey on.
The problem with Carlton is that he is so bad that you start convincing yourself he didn't really say what you just heard. For me the most annoying thing he does right now is the over use of the word brave, especially in the closing stages of a race.
I must admit that when I turned on the tv at 9:30am to watch the start my heart sunk when I realised Carlton was doing commentary. God I hope it isn't him for Paris Roubaix next weekend given how much coverage there is going to be.0 -
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^ thank the lord!0
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I have said it before and will say it again , I like him.
Rob Hatch is pants , I start watching races, if Kirby is on I will keep it on , Hatch, if it is hilly I may keep watching , pan flat sprinters day , fast forward (I usually tape races) to the finish.0
