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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Strewth! Now he is bringing the worst out of Bri Smith.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Having now watched bits of last year's roubaix with the Aussie commentary think it is a good example of quality commentary despite wanting the Aussie to win.

    Can you imagine what we would have been subjected to if Carlton had done the commentary for last year's PR....
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    dish_dash wrote:
    Having now watched bits of last year's roubaix with the Aussie commentary think it is a good example of quality commentary despite wanting the Aussie to win.

    Can you imagine what we would have been subjected to if Carlton had done the commentary for last year's PR....

    It would have taken him ages to figure out it was Matt Hayman - he would have been saying turbo durbo or bling matthews for ages. Whichever Orica rider he'd most recently come across.
  • vinnymarsden
    vinnymarsden Posts: 560
    OK OK OK!!!!! I got it totally wrong by trying to give him a pass..and to be fair, some very good points were made, I especially liked the one about the surgeon "just trying his best" that made me smile, but also made me think, yes, i sorta got it wrong, I don't like CK's style, I don't know the guy, so I won't personally have a pop, but his style does grate.I was thinking back to sorta pre 2013 era..what happened to David Harmon? Didn't he get into a dispute with Eurosport, then have a bout of depression?
    It's a shame because he seemed way more informed, and did have a, shall we say..less excitable approach.
    I changed my mind after watching the Basque Tour yesterday....CK does spout some incredible tosh...and try as i might to like him, I will admit, and agree with others...he needs to do more homework on subject matter, and for heavens sake..not go off like an excited, demented kid on Skittles EVERYTIME at the end!!
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    VinnyMarsden wrote:
    what happened to David Harmon? Didn't he get into a dispute with Eurosport, then have a bout of depression?
    It's a shame because he seemed way more informed, and did have a, shall we say..less excitable approach.

    Both perhaps the effects of a sting that not even a TUE could help with.
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    VinnyMarsden wrote:
    what happened to David Harmon? Didn't he get into a dispute with Eurosport, then have a bout of depression?

    Agreed, Harmon was a much better commentator. He will not be returning. Nor is here the place to discuss the 'whys' and 'wherefores'. A simple Google search should provide you with an explanation.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    He's come up with a beaut today.
    Because Michael Matthews has set the fastest time so far, "it's not really a proper time trial course and could favour climbers like Contador and de la Cruz..." :oops:
    Give me strength. :roll:
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  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    And if he tells me one more time that Fugelsang means songbird.....
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    "A career of light and dark" - cut the bs CK, senõr Hairplugs is an unrepentant naughty boy
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Other half walked in: "it's captain obvious commentating again, eh?"
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    Rob Hatch's coverage today, I lost count of the number of times he referenced "what an honour it was to watch such great racing"

    I don't think I've ever heard Carlton say that, and that's the difference for me. Rob Hatch is clearly in love with cycling, and I don't think CK is really, I think it's a job to him
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Today's commentary was a breath of fresh air. I was never convinced by Quigley at first but he has learnt his craft and done his research now he's not far behind Hatch and streets ahead of Kirby. Is Carlton just very cheap or do Eurosport not really care?
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    Pross wrote:
    Today's commentary was a breath of fresh air. I was never convinced by Quigley at first but he has learnt his craft and done his research now he's not far behind Hatch and streets ahead of Kirby. Is Carlton just very cheap or do Eurosport not really care?

    At one point I recall Quigley reeling off some historical info re the race and thinking 'Kirby wouldn't have gone anywhere near that'.

    I wonder how it will work in the Tour as they're on all day (Hatch confirmed this early on during race)? Kirby and Kelly a given and probably Jon Harris-Bass in Paris in case the line fails but who will be the third man in the box?
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    Rob Hatch's coverage today, I lost count of the number of times he referenced "what an honour it was to watch such great racing"

    I don't think I've ever heard Carlton say that, and that's the difference for me. Rob Hatch is clearly in love with cycling, and I don't think CK is really, I think it's a job to him

    I think it is just another thing to talk over and pretend to be knowledgeable about. He seems to be one of a handful of commentators* who cover several sports for Eurosport.


    * This might not strictly be true, but they all sound the flipping same.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    He pops up on occasional things - Dakar every year for example - but Kirby is pretty much full-on cycling these days.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    argyllflyer wrote:
    He pops up on occasional things - Dakar every year for example - but Kirby is pretty much full-on cycling these days.


    He was commentating on ice skating recently

    *insert quip re him skating on thin ice with rubbish commentary*
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    argyllflyer wrote:
    He pops up on occasional things - Dakar every year for example - but Kirby is pretty much full-on cycling these days.


    He was commentating on ice skating recently

    *insert quip re him skating on thin ice with rubbish commentary*

    I went all daily mail and watched it to be offended.

    Not sure he really understands what pacing is.




























    Which is all long track speed skaing is.


    That's why all proper skating fans have stop watches and they write down the pace of each lap.
    _
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    Rob Hatch's coverage today, I lost count of the number of times he referenced "what an honour it was to watch such great racing"

    I don't think I've ever heard Carlton say that, and that's the difference for me. Rob Hatch is clearly in love with cycling, and I don't think CK is really, I think it's a job to him

    Yep, Hatch definitely loves the sport. Quite often you'll here him talking about a relatively unknown rider and their performance in a smaller race that most people won't have heard of.

    Does anyone know his back story?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Milton50 wrote:

    Does anyone know his back story?
    His entire CV if you want it: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/robert-hatch-160b6337
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Ah, ok looks like he studied in Spain. I was wondering whether he learnt several European languages for the love of it or whether he has spent some time in Europe.
  • Frank Wilson
    Frank Wilson Posts: 930
    To be honest all the commentators are much of a muchness in as much as that they all appear to have developed the football premier league syndrome.

    Nearly all the football media now seems to think that everyone supports England, Man Utd & Chelsea with very little air time / inches devoted to the "lesser teams"

    In pretty much the same manner the cycling commentators harp on about Sky, BMC, Sagan etc and for anybody who follows the progress of a non Premier League / World Tour team then it appears that you go and find your own info.

    One other point in response to the poster on here who was calling Mr.Kirby a racist I reported a racist post on here three weeks ago, have had no response and the post is still on this board for all to read.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    Rob Hatch's coverage today, I lost count of the number of times he referenced "what an honour it was to watch such great racing"

    I don't think I've ever heard Carlton say that, and that's the difference for me. Rob Hatch is clearly in love with cycling, and I don't think CK is really, I think it's a job to him

    According to another Eurosport commentator (of a different sport) - that's exactly what it is to CK. He's seen as an utter joke by those with a decent background in their own specialism. Apparently though the commissioning editor (or similar title) who allocates the slots is a mate of CKs.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Frank Wilson wrote:
    To be honest all the commentators are much of a muchness in as much as that they all appear to have developed the football premier league syndrome.

    Nearly all the football media now seems to think that everyone supports England, Man Utd & Chelsea with very little air time / inches devoted to the "lesser teams"

    In pretty much the same manner the cycling commentators harp on about Sky, BMC, Sagan etc and for anybody who follows the progress of a non Premier League / World Tour team then it appears that you go and find your own info.

    One other point in response to the poster on here who was calling Mr.Kirby a racist I reported a racist post on here three weeks ago, have had no response and the post is still on this board for all to read.

    I'm not sure that's the case, they will obviously talk more about the teams and individuals most likely to win but Hatch and Quigley quite often discuss other riders. Cycling's pretty unique in that the majority of those taking part aren't even trying to win so it's understandable they don't get talked about unless they're in a break.
  • top_bhoy
    top_bhoy Posts: 1,424
    Pross wrote:
    I'm not sure that's the case, they will obviously talk more about the teams and individuals most likely to win but Hatch and Quigley quite often discuss other riders. Cycling's pretty unique in that the majority of those taking part aren't even trying to win so it's understandable they don't get talked about unless they're in a break.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross wrote:
    Frank Wilson wrote:
    To be honest all the commentators are much of a muchness in as much as that they all appear to have developed the football premier league syndrome.

    Nearly all the football media now seems to think that everyone supports England, Man Utd & Chelsea with very little air time / inches devoted to the "lesser teams"

    In pretty much the same manner the cycling commentators harp on about Sky, BMC, Sagan etc and for anybody who follows the progress of a non Premier League / World Tour team then it appears that you go and find your own info.

    One other point in response to the poster on here who was calling Mr.Kirby a racist I reported a racist post on here three weeks ago, have had no response and the post is still on this board for all to read.

    I'm not sure that's the case, they will obviously talk more about the teams and individuals most likely to win but Hatch and Quigley quite often discuss other riders. Cycling's pretty unique in that the majority of those taking part aren't even trying to win so it's understandable they don't get talked about unless they're in a break.

    They are trying to win. As a team.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Frank Wilson wrote:
    In pretty much the same manner the cycling commentators harp on about Sky, BMC, Sagan etc and for anybody who follows the progress of a non Premier League / World Tour team then it appears that you go and find your own info.

    That's not my experience of Rob Hatch at all. I mean, obviously, the big names are likely to be there at the end so they're going to get more mentions but he'll often identify lesser known riders from other teams.
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Hayles and Boulting are struggling away on Bike with the live coverage of the Tour of the Alps, yes they get it wrong but quickly apologize and correct themselves. I can live with that. Yesterday's stage had some really blurred shots of the peleton and they weren't sure if it was FDJ or GazProm leading the group. As soon as the footage came into focus, a quick "ah it is FDJ on the front". Fine. No problems. Compare with CK misidentifying a rider, having his identification corrected, then ignoring the correction and carrying on.
    Know which I prefer.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    Hayles and Boulting are struggling away on Bike with the live coverage of the Tour of the Alps, yes they get it wrong but quickly apologize and correct themselves. I can live with that. Yesterday's stage had some really blurred shots of the peloton and they weren't sure if it was FDJ or GazProm leading the group. As soon as the footage came into focus, a quick "ah it is FDJ on the front". Fine. No problems. Compare with CK misidentifying a rider, having his identification corrected, then ignoring the correction and carrying on.
    Know which I prefer.

    It's all a bit Basil Fawly and the Germans - "don't mention the War - I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it". I sincerely believe he thinks that any mistake is best brushed into the Alpe d'Huez-sized mound under the Eurosport HQ carpet.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    I quite like him, his gaffes and one liners liven up some pretty dull stages.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    sherer wrote:
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    Just watching yesterday's stage, I really do worry about CK's blood pressure. The frenzy he worked himself into can't be healthy (plus whilst it did look a bit touch and go for a few seconds for DdlC, it really wasn't in doubt).

    As it appears that Eurosport aren't that interested in reviewing their commentary teams, maybe they'd listen to an argument based upon Health and Safety?

    Im toying with the idea of an OFCOM complaint if he does any more racist comments.. I did tweet Eurosport about it last year but never got a reply back

    What racist comments has he made? I havent heard any

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