The Hour *** spoilers ***

LEGSTRONG

ThomThom wrote:

Really haven't been bothered about this. I thought I would.

I guess it's the fact that there are 50 riders who could ride this faster if they were asked to do it tommorrow.

But credit to arrange it.

51 please.

pinno

LEGSTRONG wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Really haven't been bothered about this. I thought I would.

I guess it's the fact that there are 50 riders who could ride this faster if they were asked to do it tommorrow.

But credit to arrange it.

51 please.

...and who are you?

xavierdisley

frenchfighter

Nice work Jens!!

I am 54km bid if Big Tone hits the boards.

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

Nice work Jens!!

I am 54km bid if Big Tone hits the boards.

When Tony Martin decides to do it, it'll be out of reach for a generation (tech advances excepted)

Daz555

LEGSTRONG wrote:

NOPE, not the only ones I'm afraid: if the sport was more affordable to mere mortals (like athletics) , any record could have been REALLY exciting as opposed to BATTLE OF (FINANCIAL) TITANS exciting, so to speak.

I did not mean to imply that Wiggo and Martin were the best two potential riders amongst all humankind. Just that today there are no others in the world who could beat them over an hour.

Daz555

TailWindHome wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Nice work Jens!!

I am 54km bid if Big Tone hits the boards.

When Tony Martin decides to do it, it'll be out of reach for a generation (tech advances excepted)

Which is why Wiggo needs to go first. And why Martin will I'm sure want to let him go first - assuming Martin is really that interested. Wiggo (or even Canc) will move the mark to a very very high level and make Martin's crack all the more credible.

keef_zip

Daz555 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Nice work Jens!!

I am 54km bid if Big Tone hits the boards.

When Tony Martin decides to do it, it'll be out of reach for a generation (tech advances excepted)

Which is why Wiggo needs to go first. And why Martin will I'm sure want to let him go first - assuming Martin is really that interested. Wiggo (or even Canc) will move the mark to a very very high level and make Martin's crack all the more credible.

I don't understand why people think Martin is a dead cert for the record. His TT position is very narrow (elbow placement) which won't be possible/very difficult on the track (because of the banking forces). Just look at teh arm placement of the pursuit riders. That means his CdA will likely be higher, I expect. He's also not ridden fixed much at all, so he might not get on well with it.

My money would be on Wiggins, but the real point is that it is advance to the one who tries it first. This is because the follow rider will know exactly how much power he needs, and unless he's way over, there'll be a risk of failure....

type:epyt

But Wiggins hasn't had the bottle to stick his head above the parapit yet, has he.

Jens isn't one of the best testers but he had the legs and pig-headedness to make a job of it, and retires in style. No doubt David Millar is deciding how bad his shoes for the WC should look.

LEGSTRONG

pinarello001 wrote:

LEGSTRONG wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Really haven't been bothered about this. I thought I would.

I guess it's the fact that there are 50 riders who could ride this faster if they were asked to do it tommorrow.

But credit to arrange it.

51 please.

...and who are you?

Just another amateur enthusiast, that wants to put his talent to some use. Nobody of an Mega ego. There are few years now since I have acieved the required form, plus chased various sponsors to actually do it, but fate it seams , wont let Small guys like us to try and accomplish something what would put the "PRO" scene UP-Side -Down,

FJS

type:epyt wrote:

But Wiggins hasn't had the bottle to stick his head above the parapit yet, has he.

Jens isn't one of the best testers but he had the legs and pig-headedness to make a job of it, and retires in style. No doubt David Millar is deciding how bad his shoes for the WC should look.

Jens has won the GP des Nations. That's a little while ago though

cougie

mulletmaster wrote:

Slightly facetious but wouldn't twitter go wild if a 'plucky amateur' such as MB hired out the London Velodrome (got the air conditions right) battered JV record and stuck it on strava?
Throw in a charity donations element and you have big exposure for both matt and his sponsorsand a lot of egg on the face of the UCI. Admittedly it won't go in the record books but it wouldn't be too costly to Matt's training schedule I wouldn't have thought?
He needs to get it in before Wiggins/Canc/ martin batters that and does a mid 53.

I'd love to see this and I'd wager he'd go futher than Jens.

OK so it wouldn't be official - but Sosenkas was and he did nothing further of note apart from being busted for drugs.

Its ridiculous that people are so excited about 21st century fully aero Jens beating a bloke on a 1960s style bike.

Paul 8v

It's more about what it will lead to I think. Now the UCI has (thankfully) sorted its act out, a lot more people should be able to try it.

I thought Jens rode very smoothly, of course his record will be smashed when Fabus gives it a try but its a fitting climax to his carrer and he's well loved by the fans. Good on him!

ugo.santalucia

LEGSTRONG wrote:

Just another amateur enthusiast, that wants to put his talent to some use. Nobody of an Mega ego. There are few years now since I have acieved the required form, plus chased various sponsors to actually do it, but fate it seams , wont let Small guys like us to try and accomplish something what would put the "PRO" scene UP-Side -Down,

A few amateurs did attempt the hour without the UCI blessing, but generally they fell short by a long way. Just recently in Italy a guy announced his attempt and a small crowd gathered at the velodrome... I think he did 40 Km or so, which is more than I would do, but a universe away from 50 Km

RichN95.

Maybe there should be a Bike Radar Hour record

bigmat

RichN95 wrote:

Maybe there should be a Bike Radar Hour record

I've done 45km on the WattBike - can I be installed as record holder until our equivalent of Wiggo / Martin / Cancellara have a crack?!

thegibdog

ugo.santalucia wrote:

LEGSTRONG wrote:

Just another amateur enthusiast, that wants to put his talent to some use. Nobody of an Mega ego. There are few years now since I have acieved the required form, plus chased various sponsors to actually do it, but fate it seams , wont let Small guys like us to try and accomplish something what would put the "PRO" scene UP-Side -Down,

A few amateurs did attempt the hour without the UCI blessing, but generally they fell short by a long way. Just recently in Italy a guy announced his attempt and a small crowd gathered at the velodrome... I think he did 40 Km or so, which is more than I would do, but a universe away from 50 Km

I'd assume you'd have to be up there as one if the best amateur/sponsored riders around to be in with a chance of the breaking the record. Bottrill has done a 56 min 30m TT (32mph) which would equate to 51.5km, it would be interesting to see how this would translate to the track where conditions are obviously a lot different to a dual carriageway.

xavierdisley

Our testing put Matt at well over 52km and around 52.5km. Attempting the hour record as a non approved superstar (JV, Wiggins, Tony Martin, Cancellara etc.) is basically impossible, it's just a show event. There's a discussion on the TT forum about it but the crux of it is the UCI don't want amateurs going for the hour and will (and have) put arbitrary rules in place to stop that from happening.

Xav

tailwindhome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLryl ... r_embedded

Cosmo - How the Hour Was Won

deejay

.
So to put it into perspective as there are 17 pages about the merits of these Hour Records.
Now until the UCI change the rules again or the Goalposts, then it looks like Jens has the latest record.

1 Chris Boardman (Manchester, UK)* September 7, 1996 56.375
2 Tony Rominger (Velodrome du Lac, Bordeaux)* November 5, 1994 55.291
3 Tony Rominger (Velodrome du Lac, Bordeaux)* October 22, 1994 53.832
4 Miguel Indurain (Velodrome du Lac, Bordeaux)* September 2, 1994 53.040
5 Graeme Obree (Velodrome du Lac, Bordeaux)* April 27, 1994 52.713
6 Chris Boardman (Velodrome du Lac, Bordeaux)* July 23, 1993 52.270
7 Graeme Obree (Hamar, Norway)* July 17, 1993 51.596
8 Francesco Moser (Mexico City)* January 23, 1984 51.151
9 Jens Voigt (Grenchen, Switzerland ) September 18, 2014 *** 51.115
10 Francesco Moser (Mexico City)* January 19, 1984 50.808
11 Ondrej Sosenka (Moscow, Russia) July 19, 2005 ** 49.700
12 Chris Boardman (Manchester, UK) October 27, 2000 49.441
13 Eddy Merckx (Mexico City) October 25, 1972 49.431
14 Ole Ritter (Mexico City) October 10, 1968 48.653

pinno

TailWindHome wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLryl7KYZ5kA4oX-M4KHW0VqtaztJNjXOG&v=Q1HOZDTWcKM&feature=player_embedded

Cosmo - How the Hour Was Won

He ^ is bloody annoying but thanks anyway.

Bo Duke

Any interviews with Jens worth reading?

No_Ta_Doctor

BigMat wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Maybe there should be a Bike Radar Hour record

I've done 45km on the WattBike - can I be installed as record holder until our equivalent of Wiggo / Martin / Cancellara have a crack?!

My hour record is about 5 minutes.

Pokerface

xavierdisley wrote:

Our testing put Matt at well over 52km and around 52.5km. Attempting the hour record as a non approved superstar (JV, Wiggins, Tony Martin, Cancellara etc.) is basically impossible, it's just a show event. There's a discussion on the TT forum about it but the crux of it is the UCI don't want amateurs going for the hour and will (and have) put arbitrary rules in place to stop that from happening.

Xav

With respect, the UCI rules may seem arbitrary, but they are there for a reason. Furthermore, there is nothing preventing ANY amateur from following all the rules and attempting the record. The UCI's insistence on record-attempters being a part of the bio-passport is a big hoop to jump through, but it is possible to achieve. I know you and the team around Matt were disappointed to find this was a requirement, but if Matt is serious about the attempt, he should have joined the passport program and had a go at the attempt once approved.

Furthermore, if he knows that his record attempt wouldn't hold up for very long, then he is (and always will be) eligible to go for the Master's record - without having to be a part of the passport and it's a record that's likely to stand for a much longer period of time.

If the goal was simply to be 'first' under the new rules, then that boat has sailed. But if the goal was to post up a time that might stand for a while or to see how he would stack up against the big boys, then there is nothing preventing Matt from going for the attempt at any time.

mm1

Could set a masters record that exceeds the UCI record, I'd go for it quick.

xavierdisley

Pokerface wrote:

With respect, the UCI rules may seem arbitrary, but they are there for a reason. Furthermore, there is nothing preventing ANY amateur from following all the rules and attempting the record. The UCI's insistence on record-attempters being a part of the bio-passport is a big hoop to jump through, but it is possible to achieve. I know you and the team around Matt were disappointed to find this was a requirement, but if Matt is serious about the attempt, he should have joined the passport program and had a go at the attempt once approved.

Furthermore, if he knows that his record attempt wouldn't hold up for very long, then he is (and always will be) eligible to go for the Master's record - without having to be a part of the passport and it's a record that's likely to stand for a much longer period of time.

If the goal was simply to be 'first' under the new rules, then that boat has sailed. But if the goal was to post up a time that might stand for a while or to see how he would stack up against the big boys, then there is nothing preventing Matt from going for the attempt at any time.

Absolutely, I don't think anyone can deny that having the biopassport as a requirement for the Hour, to make sure it doesn't get tainted with dopey riders is only a good thing. The problem was once we finally got the adjusted rules out of the UCI, not only was it still unclear as to whether you could use aerobars (!) but there was nothing in there about the passport.

It culminated in one of the sponsors at the UCI head office in Switzerland being told by the UCI that they wouldn't let MB attempt the record as they didn't want someone like him (ie. unknown amateur) breaking it. So whether the sponsors paid many thousands to get on the passport (6 month+ delay before it gets ratified), and regardless of the chance of someone doing 54km in those interim 6 months, there's every chance that they'd bring up a rule or some other delaying tactic to stop him having a go once the 6 months were up and the passport ratified. Making the sponsors understandably wary of starting the whole process in the first place, asking for thousands of Euros for the chance to have a go in half a year? Unlikely. MB's bike was also subject to different rules to JVs, we were told under no circumstances were brake/gear/cable holes etc. to be filled or covered (it was a road version of a Giant Trinity Advanced) but JVs bike (road version of a Trek Speed Concept) had carbon blended into the brake area to make it more aero.



A Masters record is a possibility but not something the sponsors were as keen about supporting as it doesn't create as much noise. Plus long season now!

Pokerface

You could fill his holes in with carbon. The rules are the same for both bikes. And the rule has always been that you can't tape over holes. There has never been a restriction on adding carbon.

cougie

Maybe I've missed this - but why wasnt the hour record reset to Boardmans distance of 52.270 ?
His bike looks modern, same size wheels, tribars but not superman position ?

Jens looks to have underperformed compared to that ?

k-dog

This one? I'm not sure the tube profiles meet the new standard?

Edit: the bars definitely don't meet the modern standard. Not sure about the saddle position either.

tailwindhome

Pokerface wrote:

You could fill his holes in with carbon..

A marginal gain too far?