Aggresive Hardtail Thread!
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Photos of my 456 summer season in dalby forest , cnoc coinich on the cowal way, Ben Arthur, Ben vorlich and the head of Loch Fyne. Not in that order.0 -
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Realise there's no shots of it that are the whole bike, so here it is at swinley
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Is it me just not paying attention or is there just no P7s being posted up.0
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My 6 year olds sons "aggressive hardtail"! Not 120mm travel forks (63mm) but then it does only have 20" wheels! It does however have deore M615 brakes, short stem, wide bars, 1x8, superstar chain device, folding 2.35 maxxis snypers etc etc, so ticks all the other boxes for aggressive hardtail
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Neither would I, but he was thinking of switching TO them, which is a bad ideafizik wrote:Cqc wrote:
Well the whole stem thing is a bit dumb, as well as the fact that you have to change the front hub... I mean how much of a weight weenie do you have to be to get a lefty fork? Spares and servicing is harder too, just get a normal onefizik wrote:Cqc wrote:Lefty forks are the stupidest invention ever. Don't do it.
Have you tried one? Just because something is different doesn't make it stupid, they are much stiffer than most singlecrown forks for starters. Cant use short stems with the old ones though which is a bit of a bugger!
I admit I wouldn't buy one to put on my bike, but I wouldn't neccessarly take one off if the bike came with one on0 -
I like them as they are stiffer than a 'standard' boingy fork and also the quirky nature...
in reality I wouldn't change as the expense isnt worth it and my abilities will probably never exceed what the Reba's can cope with
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I don't get the point of all that extra travel up front when the back end still bounces around like a crash test dummy!
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nice pics though0 -
For grip and traction?0
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Because it's fun, and cheap?Bon C wrote:I don't get the point of all that extra travel up front when the back end still bounces around like a crash test dummy!
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nice pics though0 -
ilovedirt wrote:
Because it's fun, and cheap?Bon C wrote:I don't get the point of all that extra travel up front when the back end still bounces around like a crash test dummy!
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nice pics though
Not to mention it's a lot more simple and less to go wrong.Commencal Ramones Cromo 13 - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=129269380 -
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And you have to pick lines and avoid some obstacles rather than just float over everything.brucie45 wrote:Framebuilder
Handbuilt Steel 29er https://goo.gl/RYSbaa
Carbon Stumpjumper https://goo.gl/xJNFcv
Parkwood:http://goo.gl/Gf8xkL
Ribble Gran Fondo https://goo.gl/ZpTFXz
Triban:http://goo.gl/v63FBB0 -
Whatever floats your boat, i'd rather ride a hardtail though...Pesky Jones wrote:0 -
ilovedirt wrote:
Whatever floats your boat, i'd rather ride a hardtail though...Pesky Jones wrote: ha me too, me too 0 -
Everyone should have a hardcore hardtail at least once in their life, I've technically had 4!
First up was my beloved Kinesis XC120, built it when I was 15 and still have the frame hanging in the garage. Here's a few pics of it as it developed over the years
As far as I'm concerned one of the best hardtails ever made, it's a brilliant, brilliant bike. Sadly nowadays it a little outdated, it's a bit steep and you can't really fit a decent dropper post, but it served me fantastically over the years and I just can't bring to get rid of it.
Having had the Maxlight for 6 years the other 3 have all happened very quickly! :oops: Various reasons for this, but it's been cool to own them, nothing like new bike excitement!
The Carbon 456 was the Maxlight's replacement, silly light, great geometry but on longer rides it was like riding a plank of wood, certainly not the most comfortable thing in the world that's for sure! I never really bonded with it so after 18 months I sold it on and transferred the parts over to a new frame.
I briefly had a Stanton Slackline, super nice frame but things just didn't work out, which was gutting
Was never ridden in anger, but it did look ruddy awesome built up.
Finally I now have a Cotic BFe, which from first impression is certainly in the same catergory as the Maxlight, I honestly can't find anything worth worrying about that's wrong with it, the geometry's brilliant, it rides much smoother than the 456 so it's great on a long day out in the saddle and yet it's strong enough to ride the wheels of it, as I have done already
So a brief history of my hardcore hardtails, if you don't own one already then you really should! Sure a full susser can smooth the trail out more and a little more forgiving, but as a change of scenery from the sometimes easy ride of susser, bikes like this really are hard to beat 0 -
Hm been toying with the idea of a bfe for a while now...might give steel a go. I think its pretty much same specs as my 16" hornet in terms of fittings so would probally be ok... hmmm0
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Got distracted by the last picture, but cheers for those pics and story lawman, what this thread needs0
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Pesky Jones wrote:Hm been toying with the idea of a bfe for a while now...might give steel a go. I think its pretty much same specs as my 16" hornet in terms of fittings so would probally be ok... hmmm
They're great bikes! Tbh I think most long travel hardtails are pretty good these, especially the steel ones.0 -
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RevellRider wrote:Lawman, are you actually running Crests on your Cotic?
Aye, I've had 2 sets of crests on both bikes for the past two years and until I started riding more DH and uplifts they never missed a beat for general trail riding, some of the best rims I've had, if not the best. I recently bought 2 Arch Ex's to relace the back wheels of both bikes just for extra piece of mind as the fronts are still faultless but the rears have a few dings and flat spots in.0 -
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RevellRider wrote:I look at Crests and ponder if they'd handle my 14 and a half stone with the way I tend to smash through stuff
Arch EX's would probably be better then, you might be ok on a susser but on a hardtail something stronger would be better0 -
Look what turned up at my place today ... :P :P
On One 45650b in Super Raw ...
Looks brilliant I think ... can't wait to get it out and get it muddy tomorrow!0 -
I was waiting for one of those to appear in this thread, they look ace. Let us know how it rides!?0
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Quick shakedown ride this morning ... mixture of "this is different" [to my Boardman Team] ... and starting to be impressed.
Its a smaller frame than the Boardman (18" vs 19"), and the Boardman seems a bit more stretched out ... the 456 has wider bars ... the geometry is pretty different ... so spent most of the hour's ride just getting used to the different cockpit feel.
The fork seems very good, and a significant on the Recon 120 gold on the Boardman (although that is in desperate need of a service!), but soaked up stuff well and seems very controlled. Need to ride it a bit more, and suspect I need to put a bit more air in.
The 650 wheels are a small, but noticeable improvement in terms of not getting hooked up on stuff compared with the 26" wheels ... The ardents coped better in the mud than the NN's on the Boardman, both in terms of cornering and traction, and seemed to deal with roots and rocks well.
Too early to make comparisons about what the frame feels like, and I would need to ride over more sustained rough / rocky stuff to be able to offer a view ...
The bike, or course, looks even better with mud all over it!
So, early days, but I enjoyed the ride this morning a lot ...am looking forward to ragging it down some gnarlier stuff! I think I'm going to enjoy this bike a lot! 0 -
Just stripped it down to the frame and given it a service. Fitted a new narrow wide chain ring and new chain device. I know I shouldn't need both but I dont trust it. Heard from a few people with full suss bikes that they dropped chains when it gets rough so for a hardtail..
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Good afternoon
I’m pleased to inform that I’ve just finished my On One 456 Evo 2 assembly with the following:
Frame: On-One 456 Evo2 Frame / 18 Inch / Hot Smoked Paprika
Fork: Fox Vanilla 130 RL / 1 1/8 Inch / 26 Inch with QR Axle (2005 model)
Front Derailleur: SLX / 2x10 / 34.9mm Clamp / High Clamp
Rear Derailleur: SLX / 10 Speed / Long Cage
Shifters: SLX
Chainset: SLX
Crank length: 170mm
Chainrings: 38-24T
Bottom Bracket: Shimano SLX
Cassette: SLX 10-speed 11-36T
Chain: SLX
Front Brake: SHIMANO SLX disc brake BR-M675 - Servo Wave - (standard)
Rear Brake: SHIMANO SLX disc brake BR-M675 - Servo Wave - (standard)
Handlebars: El Guapo Ancho B Handlebar, 760mm, 31.8mm Clamp
Grips: On-One Bob On Lock-On Grips / Black
Stem: On-One Hot Box Stem / 60mm / Polished Black / 7 degrees / 31.8mm Clamp
Headset: On-One Smoothie Regular Headset / 1 1/8 inch / Black / External
Wheels: Sun Ringlé DS2-XC 26” QR
Front Tyre: IRC Claw Comp
Rear Tyre: Maxxis Advantage
Saddle: On-One Bignose Evo Saddle / CroMo Rail
Seatpost: On-One Twelfty MTB Seatpost / 30,9mm / Black / 400mm
Seat Clamp: On-One TECH Series CNC Quick Release Seatclamp / 34.9 mm / Black
Pedals: On Off
Weight: 13,25kg (29,21lbs for the metrically challenged)
Had my first ride this weekend and despite not being familiar with the bike the thing that impressed me more was how confidant inspiring and playful the bike behaved. The assembly turned out a bit on the heavy side, but being used to a 14,5kg Mondraker Foxy it actually felt like a feather!
For all of you out there, forget all conventions and try something like a long travel hardtail… just for fun!
Cheers
PS: Sorry for thee low quality picture0 -
Here's my hornet and a mates phantom.
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