TDF 2013 Stage 11 TT ***Spoilers***
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Tom Dean wrote:
I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?
What do you want to know Mr Dean?
Just think what Martin would have thought and his team. It is widely known Sky have no friends in the peloton and Froome having won would have just compounded that imo.
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dsoutar wrote:nic_77 wrote:
In the interview I saw after finishing today - Martin said he had been in considerable pain, not able to sleep well, and had spent an hour having his bandages changed before the stage.frenchfighter wrote:Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself.
Well there's a pretty huge contradiction here. At least one person must be lying. Either TM (gave two interviews, one the truth, the other a lie), FF or nic_77.
Anyone else see TM's interview(s) ?I think I was OK today but it takes time to recovery. I spent an hour an day changing my bandages and had pain at night, so it was hard to recover.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
L`equipe article on TT riders in English:
http://www.lequipe.fr/explore/clock-hunters/
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ddraver wrote:ThomThom wrote:mfin wrote:ThomThom wrote:mfin wrote:Someone on here is so biased and anti-sky it makes them come across as thick as pig sh1t to everyone here who has a brain.
Haha, unlike you, mfin. Unlike you.
These 'someone' aren't as classy as you yet, though - that would mean wanting riders to crash...
(...and I would like Contador not to be riding, he doesn't deserve to, so if that takes a career ending crash, then that'll do nicely thanks).
It's rich calling everyone else 'thick as pig sh1ts'.
When do you hope for David Millar crashing out btw?
I think he was referring to one specific person...
Couldn't care less. Not even FF would land on this level.lostboysaint wrote:
Whilst I don't agree with the OPs sentiments I think I'll do him a favour and point out that there is a bit of a difference between the repentant and fervent anti-doper Millar and the "no, not me, I never did" whilst hiding behind his national authority whitewash Contador.
Because if Millar was one the best cyclists with major results he wouldn't have gone the Alberto-way, right? Nothing hypocritical about becoming this fantastic anti-doping rider in the exact moment there's was no way out and he had the back to the wall.. also, had to make a few millions on a book as well whilst there was still fire.. No, Millar is just a cheater like Alberto.
I still don't want either to crash though.. I guess that makes me a 'pig sh1t'..0 -
frenchfighter wrote:He had blue mitts. Little bit off in the full yellow style stakes there.
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The one I saw was on ITV4's live coverage not long after the stage finished, hopefully it'll be on the highlights tonight...dsoutar wrote:nic_77 wrote:
In the interview I saw after finishing today - Martin said he had been in considerable pain, not able to sleep well, and had spent an hour having his bandages changed before the stage.frenchfighter wrote:Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself.
Well there's a pretty huge contradiction here. At least one person must be lying. Either TM (gave two interviews, one the truth, the other a lie), FF or nic_77.
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Paulie W wrote:
You're not telling me that there were no raised eyebrows that Contador got the better of Canc in his TTing pomp, hilly as the course was, moto-paced or otherwise?! Contador had form as a TTer but not that kind of form - if someone is going to call Froome's performance against Martin questionable then the same can be more than said for Contador's in TdF 2009.
Dont read more in what I said. I was clarifying that the matter that caused the widespread controversy about Annecy TT and that which Cancellara was openly pissed off about was the motorbikes. That is what made the headlines at the time. I was also there photographing the stage. Cancellara was leading most of the that TT but in the final third he lost 20 seconds or so to Contador which he identified as due to Contador riding close to the motorbikes (which he had seen on TV replays), If you go back and do just a little a bit of research you will find that out yourself. Yes there were raised eyebrows, just as there were for Armstrong.**************************************************
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frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:
I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?
What do you want to know Mr Dean?
Just think what Martin would have thought and his team. It is widely known Sky have no friends in the peloton and Froome having won would have just compounded that imo.
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ps. I have a ton of ppl on block and skim over many other posts as, when directed at me, are deliberately proactive, antagonistic and a waste of my time. So I am bound to miss a few things others might find worthwhile.
Undoubtedly I'll be one of them
I think you'll find the common denominator to being on block is that we simply won't subscribe to your ridiculously biased, one-eyed view of the pro race peleton and your constant desire to treat every thread in Pro Race as your own personal soap box from which you can pontificate, libel and rubbish some and hail others, all without a shred of justification. Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:
I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?
What do you want to know Mr Dean?
Just think what Martin would have thought and his team. It is widely known Sky have no friends in the peloton and Froome having won would have just compounded that imo.
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ps. I have a ton of ppl on block and skim over many other posts as, when directed at me, are deliberately proactive, antagonistic and a waste of my time. So I am bound to miss a few things others might find worthwhile.
So sky have no friends but they would have been worried about what opqs thought if froome had won?
Not really a repercussion is it? Weren't you complaining about banal waffle earlier?0 -
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ThomThom wrote:ddraver wrote:ThomThom wrote:mfin wrote:ThomThom wrote:mfin wrote:Someone on here is so biased and anti-sky it makes them come across as thick as pig sh1t to everyone here who has a brain.
Haha, unlike you, mfin. Unlike you.
These 'someone' aren't as classy as you yet, though - that would mean wanting riders to crash...
(...and I would like Contador not to be riding, he doesn't deserve to, so if that takes a career ending crash, then that'll do nicely thanks).
It's rich calling everyone else 'thick as pig sh1ts'.
When do you hope for David Millar crashing out btw?
I think he was referring to one specific person...
Couldn't care less. Not even FF would land on this level.lostboysaint wrote:
Whilst I don't agree with the OPs sentiments I think I'll do him a favour and point out that there is a bit of a difference between the repentant and fervent anti-doper Millar and the "no, not me, I never did" whilst hiding behind his national authority whitewash Contador.
Because if Millar was one the best cyclists with major results he wouldn't have gone the Alberto-way, right? Nothing hypocritical about becoming this fantastic anti-doping rider in the exact moment there's was no way out and he had the back to the wall.. also, had to make a few millions on a book as well whilst there was still fire.. No, Millar is just a cheater like Alberto.
I still don't want either to crash though.. I guess that makes me a 'pig sh1t'..
Oh dear, you've got it to FF levels haven't you. I suggest you read what I wrote again and then perhaps man up a bit instead of lashing out from behind your keyboard. I made the difference between the two perfectly clear. You were wrong to try and compare, the OP was wrong and is wrong to wish a crash on anyone (as I said).Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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emadden wrote:Paulie W wrote:
You're not telling me that there were no raised eyebrows that Contador got the better of Canc in his TTing pomp, hilly as the course was, moto-paced or otherwise?! Contador had form as a TTer but not that kind of form - if someone is going to call Froome's performance against Martin questionable then the same can be more than said for Contador's in TdF 2009.
Dont read more in what I said. I was clarifying that the matter that caused the widespread controversy about Annecy TT and that which Cancellara was openly pissed off about was the motorbikes. That is what made the headlines at the time. I was also there photographing the stage. Cancellara was leading most of the that TT but in the final third he lost 20 seconds or so to Contador which he identified as due to Contador riding close to the motorbikes (which he had seen on TV replays), If you go back and do just a little a bit of research you will find that out yourself. Yes there were raised eyebrows, just as there were for Armstrong.
Given you were there I'm surprised that you've misremembered it - Contador was up on Cancellara throughout and lost time at the end! Maybe you could do some research of your own eh?0 -
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Aiming for a top-15 finish to win more points for the green jersey.TailWindHome wrote:17 Peter Sagan (Svk) Cannondale Pro Cycling 0:02:18 on the Stage
Great ride, but.........Why?
Additionally, proving to himself and others he’s got a future as a GC contender.
Maybe. Both seem a bit foolish in terms of wasted effort though.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
lostboysaint wrote:Undoubtedly I'll be one of them I think you'll find the common denominator to being on block is that we simply won't subscribe to your ridiculously biased, one-eyed view of the pro race peloton and your constant desire to treat every thread in Pro Race as your own personal soap box from which you can pontificate, libel and rubbish some and hail others, all without a shred of justification.
A lot of us think FF wrecks loads of the Spoiler threads pretty much on his own with 20% help from some others.
The anti-sky doping guessing is ridiculous, its not even scientific, its number picking without fully understanding. We all actually know doping suspicion comes from blood/urine tests and the passport. The rest is amateur speculation, and not even based in supernatural performances although that's what's inferred.
If we could keep the sky doping blurb to the dedicated thread for it, the spoiler threads would be a nicer read and not be polluted with this... this is the stuff that pollutes the threads the most. It would help if it was done with a sense of humour, but in FFs case, he hasn't got one (it's probably not an admirable quality for a human being to have
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emadden wrote:The Sky Fanboys are beginning to ruin this forum, just like the Lance Fanboys ruined Cyclingnews.
How? By defending Froome et al from relentless accusations of doping?
I hardly ever post on here, but it seems to me that people who prefer to give Sky the benefit of the doubt should put those who think Sky are all on dope on the ignore list and vice versa.<a><img></a>0 -
Why does it matter what Martin would have thought?frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:
I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?
What do you want to know Mr Dean?
Just think what Martin would have thought and his team. It is widely known Sky have no friends in the peloton and Froome having won would have just compounded that imo.
Because he is clean (presumably so, since you single out Sky for criticism) but knows all about what they are doing, and will keep his mouth shut in return for a few scraps from the table?0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:
I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?
What do you want to know Mr Dean?
Just think what Martin would have thought and his team. It is widely known Sky have no friends in the peloton and Froome having won would have just compounded that imo.
I agree with FF's thinking ...
I said as much during the Dauphine when Froom caught an attacking Contador and instead of just sitting on his wheel to make the point he then attacked himself and in the process robbed the lone rider up the road of the win in the final km when it wasn't needed as Froome had made his point to AC and also won tne overall ...
Saying that, Lance won without alliances ...0 -
I think you have to look outside of the "big beasts" to find people to compare performances against. Millar has been a good time trailer for many years, as has Chavanel. Both are consistent over a number of years and now don't have stench about them that I'm aware of. Using that as a reference point, let's look at other performances.
Rogers, Evans, Contador under-performed in comparison to years gone by. Valverde about high ballpark. Porte better than one might imagine pre Sky, ballpark post Sky. J-Rod where I expect him to be - sorry, but I'm not a believer. Frank Schleck is a bit sad, but he's always sucked in the TT, so no surprise he sucks harder in this modern environment.
Froome was exceptional if you think of 4 years ago, unsurprising is you look at the last 2 and bit years. Let's give Sky 20-30 seconds gleaned from clever helmets/skinsuits/whatever. So that makes Froome 1mins faster than Chavanel over a pan flat course of medium distance. I can't say I'm flabbergasted to such an extent I think he's doped. If he is, compared to previous advantages, it's definitely in the marginal gains territory rather than V2 strapped to arse variety of years gone by. More likely the "technological doping" that Sky can afford to do with windtunnels, kit development altitude camps and just more sophisticated performance monitoring is providing the marginal gains that allow their riders to produce exceptional, but not unbelievable performances.
What do we learn? Bertie's either ill and doped, or clean, or ill and clean, depending on how much faith you have in his palmares. Valverde's a grey area, as is Froome, Porte, De Gendt and some others. You believe what your prejudice let's you believe.
The interesting results are further down. Rolland, Voeckler, Cungeo, Kloden, Qunintana giving up circa 4mins? The top doesn't surprise me. Further down does a bit... I guess it shows the part motivation plays in a performance, a fact we often overlook when we're slinging mud about exceptional performances.
Froome's motivated to work his balls off. I think some others have one foot on the plane home...0 -
Isn't forming alliances by not trying to do you best just another of the wonderful ways in which cyclists cheat?0
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lostboysaint wrote:ThomThom wrote:ddraver wrote:ThomThom wrote:mfin wrote:ThomThom wrote:mfin wrote:Someone on here is so biased and anti-sky it makes them come across as thick as pig sh1t to everyone here who has a brain.
Haha, unlike you, mfin. Unlike you.
These 'someone' aren't as classy as you yet, though - that would mean wanting riders to crash...
(...and I would like Contador not to be riding, he doesn't deserve to, so if that takes a career ending crash, then that'll do nicely thanks).
It's rich calling everyone else 'thick as pig sh1ts'.
When do you hope for David Millar crashing out btw?
I think he was referring to one specific person...
Couldn't care less. Not even FF would land on this level.lostboysaint wrote:
Whilst I don't agree with the OPs sentiments I think I'll do him a favour and point out that there is a bit of a difference between the repentant and fervent anti-doper Millar and the "no, not me, I never did" whilst hiding behind his national authority whitewash Contador.
Because if Millar was one the best cyclists with major results he wouldn't have gone the Alberto-way, right? Nothing hypocritical about becoming this fantastic anti-doping rider in the exact moment there's was no way out and he had the back to the wall.. also, had to make a few millions on a book as well whilst there was still fire.. No, Millar is just a cheater like Alberto.
I still don't want either to crash though.. I guess that makes me a 'pig sh1t'..
Oh dear, you've got it to FF levels haven't you. I suggest you read what I wrote again and then perhaps man up a bit instead of lashing out from behind your keyboard. I made the difference between the two perfectly clear. You were wrong to try and compare, the OP was wrong and is wrong to wish a crash on anyone (as I said).
Fair enough. Just thought it was f***ing tasteless writing that stuff. Wanting a cheater to crash while being perfectly okay with another cheater (I obviously agree with Millar's way of doing it post ban but that doesn't make him less of a cheat). By his logic we would have quite a huge ending career-crash in the peloton.
Let's hope that 'mass crash' doesn't drag any young prospect with it...0 -
Maybe you can explain it then.Crankbrother wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:
I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.frenchfighter wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?
What do you want to know Mr Dean?
Just think what Martin would have thought and his team. It is widely known Sky have no friends in the peloton and Froome having won would have just compounded that imo.
I agree with FF's thinking ...
I said as much during the Dauphine when Froom caught an attacking Contador and instead of just sitting on his wheel to make the point he then attacked himself and in the process robbed the lone rider up the road of the win in the final km when it wasn't needed as Froome had made his point to AC and also won tne overall ...
Saying that, Lance won without alliances ...
From the premise that Sky are dirty, either they are the only ones and everyone else knows, or they are all still at it and omerta is alive and well.
Which are you suggesting is the case and what are the implications of having 'friends in the peloton' or otherwise?0 -
ThomThom wrote:Fair enough. Just thought it was f***ing tasteless writing that stuff. Wanting a cheater to crash while being perfectly okay with another cheater (I obviously agree with Millar's way of doing it post ban but that doesn't make him less of a cheat). By his logic we would have quite a huge ending career-crash in the peloton.
Let's hope that 'mass crash' doesn't drag any young prospect with it...
I don't really care how Contador's career ends, I'd just like it to end really soon, as far as I think he's got no right to be riding. I also explained that it's unrepentent dopers that I have no respect for, at least Millar speaks out now. First interview after winning a stage last year, he said straight away 'as an ex-doper'. You don't hear things like that from Contador.
I know there are a lot of 'Contadors', but like I said, he's the best at comedy fairy stories and has the face of a twerp. If he wins this or any other GT I will just think 'oh well, that's a GT wasted'.
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Willing suspension of disbelief
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ooooooo goodness what a long one...
I just popped out and I got back... and look at all this... :shock: :shock: :shock:0 -
Either because of what you don't want to believe, or because he's concentrated more on one day classics, probably a bit of both.PeteinSQ wrote:Why has Cancellara gone so off the boil with TTs having been god previously? I'm a big fan of his and don't want the reason to be the usual if you know what I mean...0 -
dsoutar wrote:nic_77 wrote:
In the interview I saw after finishing today - Martin said he had been in considerable pain, not able to sleep well, and had spent an hour having his bandages changed before the stage.frenchfighter wrote:Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself.
Well there's a pretty huge contradiction here. At least one person must be lying. Either TM (gave two interviews, one the truth, the other a lie), FF or nic_77.
Anyone else see TM's interview(s) ?
Neither is lying. Both are selectively quoting. He started off by saying he wasn't affected today but went on to admit that it may have been affecting his recovery and he talked about it taking an hour to change the bandages.
He also said he was surprised that Froome was so close to him, that he didn't know how Froome was able to produce so much power from the start and that the course had suited him and not Froome.0 -
RideOnTime wrote:ooooooo goodness what a long one...
I just popped out and I got back... and look at all this... :shock: :shock: :shock:
You haven't missed much.0
