TDF 2013 Stage 11 TT ***Spoilers***

RichN95.

Ed-tron wrote:

Froome has been pretty competitive in TTs in the last few years. Not a surprising outcome to the stage really.

Although there is a big gap on GC, it sets up the race quite nicely now I think - lots of attacking Sky and Froome in the mountains, which'll make for good racing

Or alternatively riders riding conservatively to maintain their position. It can work both ways.

lostboysaint

ThomThom wrote:

mfin wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

mfin wrote:

Someone on here is so biased and anti-sky it makes them come across as thick as pig sh1t to everyone here who has a brain.

Haha, unlike you, mfin. Unlike you.

These 'someone' aren't as classy as you yet, though - that would mean wanting riders to crash...

(...and I would like Contador not to be riding, he doesn't deserve to, so if that takes a career ending crash, then that'll do nicely thanks).

It's rich calling everyone else 'thick as pig sh1ts'.

When do you hope for David Millar crashing out btw?

Whilst I don't agree with the OPs sentiments I think I'll do him a favour and point out that there is a bit of a difference between the repentant and fervent anti-doper Millar and the "no, not me, I never did" whilst hiding behind his national authority whitewash Contador.

above_the_cows

Rick Chasey wrote:

We need more love on this forum.

FTFY.

But agreed about the Dutch boys. Doing considerably better than I expected.

r0bh

Froome was only 26 seconds behind Martin at the Olympics TT too, over a longer distance. I just don't see why this result is a surprise to anyone, Froome has performed consistently in TTs since Vuelta 2011.

mfin

lostboysaint wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

mfin wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

mfin wrote:

Someone on here is so biased and anti-sky it makes them come across as thick as pig sh1t to everyone here who has a brain.

Haha, unlike you, mfin. Unlike you.

These 'someone' aren't as classy as you yet, though - that would mean wanting riders to crash...

(...and I would like Contador not to be riding, he doesn't deserve to, so if that takes a career ending crash, then that'll do nicely thanks).

It's rich calling everyone else 'thick as pig sh1ts'.

When do you hope for David Millar crashing out btw?

Whilst I don't agree with the OPs sentiments I think I'll do him a favour and point out that there is a bit of a difference between the repentant and fervent anti-doper Millar and the "no, not me, I never did" whilst hiding behind his national authority whitewash Contador.

That's it. Its the unrepentant unapologetic dopers that I don't want to see racing. Contador is at the top of the pile for me cos of his stupid retarded fairy stories. Of course, it doesn't help that he has the face of a twerp

Coach H

Ed-tron wrote:

Although there is a big gap on GC, it sets up the race quite nicely now I think - lots of attacking Sky and Froome in the mountains, which'll make for good racing

No one will attack Froome for fear of blowing and losing GC placings (and ranking points which = MONEY). Far too much risk for a small chance of reward. Their only hope is that Froome has a spectacular blow up one day and they can ALL take advantage

salsiccia1

r0bh wrote:

Froome was only 26 seconds behind Martin at the Olympics TT too, over a longer distance. I just don't see why this result is a surprise to anyone, Froome has performed consistently in TTs since Vuelta 2011.

Don't come on here talking sense. There's no place for it on this thread.

mfin

r0bh wrote:

Froome was only 26 seconds behind Martin at the Olympics TT too, over a longer distance. I just don't see why this result is a surprise to anyone, Froome has performed consistently in TTs since Vuelta 2011.

It's not surprising to those of us who are unbiased.

Some people like to think they can pick dopers from performances though, when on a team they don't like already they're over it like flies on sh1t.

I think people should leave the doping out of it with riders unless there is evidence, as at the moment in the case of Froome there is quite simply no evidence.

Lichtblick

prawny wrote:

Do we need to post a link to the libel thread again? Some posts are sailing very close to the wind.

Quite agree. At least one is libellous. And a couple of others, all from the same person.

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

We need more dutchie love on this forum. We give them sh!t for not stepping up.

This time they have. Great ride by mollema.

I've already committed my Dutch love to Tem Dam. I did at the time point out that my support was poorly correlated with success.

dsoutar

Above The Cows wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

We need more love on this forum.

FTFY.

But agreed about the Dutch boys. Doing considerably better than I expected.

Just need the French to step up to the plate now. One in the top 20 is still very poor

Squaggles

I had to check the forum just to see what FF posted

stfc1

mfin wrote:

(...and I would like Contador not to be riding, he doesn't deserve to, so if that takes a career ending crash, then that'll do nicely thanks).

Did someone mention elsewhere in this thread that there is a block button on this forum? I may only lurk these days but I can do without reading rubbish like that.

FJS

This was pretty much the result as expected.

Kwiatkowski was a bit less close than I thought he would be.
Ten Dam must have done one of his better TTs
Evans and Van Garderen are seriously undeperforming.
Millar has done by far the best TT of this year
Quintana worse than I thought - thought he was a Colombian who could TT
The rest pretty much as I thought they would do. Nothing strange compared to other TTs this year.

emadden

Paulie W wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

DEUX VITESSES.

You mean like Contador did when he bested Cancellara at Annecy?

Burn!

(nice!)

That one isn't a pefect analogy as that stage had a 5km climb in the middle.

Regadless, everyone was every bit as surprised/bemused at the time - not least Fabian himself.

Point of Order Folks: The issue with the Annecy TT, and the matter that pissed off Fabian was the allegation that the two lead Gendarme outriders were riding purposely close to Contador in order to give him a draft.

RichN95.

Lichtblick wrote:

prawny wrote:

Do we need to post a link to the libel thread again? Some posts are sailing very close to the wind.

Quite agree. At least one is libellous. And a couple of others, all from the same person.

To be fair plenty of things have been said about other riders as well in the past. There's nothing wrong with expressing doubts within reason. At least Froome has vigourous defenders.

frenchfighter

Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself. Holm also said as much.

Interesting hearing what Martin had to say after. Worth checking out.

Yeah Froome has been TT`ing and riding incredibly well since Vuelta 2011. That is the watershed so comparing this year against last year to prove he is a supremely good TTer is not very clever. I guess some people only watch the TdF though.

frenchfighter

General Classification after Stage 10
GBR 1 FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING) 41:52:43
ESP 2 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 1:25
NED 3 MOLLEMA, Bauke (BELKIN PRO CYCLING) + 1:44
NED 4 TEN DAM, Laurens (BELKIN PRO CYCLING) + 1:50
CZE 5 KREUZIGER, Roman (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 1:51
ESP 6 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (SAXO-TINKOFF)
COL 7 QUINTANA ROJAS, Nairo Alexander (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 2:02
IRL 8 MARTIN, Daniel (GARMIN SHARP) + 2:28
ESP 9 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA) + 2:31
POR 10 FARIA DA COSTA, Rui Alberto (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 2:45

General Classification after Stage 11
GBR 1 FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING) 42:29:24
ESP 2 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 3:25
NED 3 MOLLEMA, Bauke (BELKIN PRO CYCLING) + 3:37
ESP 4 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 3:54
CZE 5 KREUZIGER, Roman (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 3:57
NED 6 TEN DAM, Laurens (BELKIN PRO CYCLING) + 4:10
POL 7 KWIATKOWSKI, Michal (OMEGA PHARMA - QUICK-STEP) + 4:44
COL 8 QUINTANA ROJAS, Nairo Alexander (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 5:18
POR 9 FARIA DA COSTA, Rui Alberto (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 5:37
FRA 10 PERAUD, Jean-Christophe (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 5:39

Tom Dean

Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?

frenchfighter

Tom Dean wrote:

Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?

What do you want to know Mr Dean?

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself. Holm also said as much..

I don't believe him.

No one could have those injuries and cycle c1500k and not be bothered by it.

More to the point there's no way he can be sleeping properly.

nic_77

frenchfighter wrote:

Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself.

In the interview I saw after finishing today - Martin said he had been in considerable pain, not able to sleep well, and had spent an hour having his bandages changed before the stage.

frenchfighter

He had blue mitts. Little bit off in the full yellow style stakes there.

PeteinSQ

What would these repercussions have been? If you're right and Froome's defenders are wrong then the only repercussions I can see are an interview with Jeremy Kyle in ten years time and having to send his yellow jersies back.

Paulie W

emadden wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

DEUX VITESSES.

You mean like Contador did when he bested Cancellara at Annecy?

Burn!

(nice!)

That one isn't a pefect analogy as that stage had a 5km climb in the middle.

Regadless, everyone was every bit as surprised/bemused at the time - not least Fabian himself.

Point of Order Folks: The issue with the Annecy TT, and the matter that pissed off Fabian was the allegation that the two lead Gendarme outriders were riding purposely close to Contador in order to give him a draft.

You're not telling me that there were no raised eyebrows that Contador got the better of Canc in his TTing pomp, hilly as the course was, moto-paced or otherwise?! Contador had form as a TTer but not that kind of form - if someone is going to call Froome's performance against Martin questionable then the same can be more than said for Contador's in TdF 2009.

lostboysaint

frenchfighter wrote:

Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself. Holm also said as much.

Interesting hearing what Martin had to say after. Worth checking out.

Yeah Froome has been TT`ing and riding incredibly well since Vuelta 2011. That is the watershed so comparing this year against last year to prove he is a supremely good TTer is not very clever. I guess some people only watch the TdF though.

Keep digging.

I'll do you a deal. I'll answer your criticism and suspicion of Froome when you tell us how Contador and then Nibali won the Giro by as much as they did, without reference to panache or heavyweight, just simple plain English, and how Contador's performances since his ban have been abject in comparison to his "former self", everywhere except Spain.

Why is it that you can accuse us of not watching races other than the TdF and yet there's threads full of questions regarding your heroes that you've never answered? Double standards? Blatant ignorance?

tailwindhome

11 Joaquim Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha 0:05:48

Having a 'mare.

13 Daniel Martin (Irl) Garmin-Sharp 0:05:52

Has every chance of getting back in the Top 10

17 Peter Sagan (Svk) Cannondale Pro Cycling 0:02:18 on the Stage

Great ride, but.........Why?

Tom Dean

frenchfighter wrote:

Tom Dean wrote:

Are you going to answer everyone who asked you to justify your comment about 'repercussions'?

What do you want to know Mr Dean?

I want to know what you meant when you said there would have been repercussions for Froome if he won.

dsoutar

nic_77 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Martin was not in pain or suffering from his injuries. He said so himself.

In the interview I saw after finishing today - Martin said he had been in considerable pain, not able to sleep well, and had spent an hour having his bandages changed before the stage.

Well there's a pretty huge contradiction here. At least one person must be lying. Either TM (gave two interviews, one the truth, the other a lie), FF or nic_77.

Anyone else see TM's interview(s) ?

PeteinSQ

[quote/]
You're not telling me that there were no raised eyebrows that Contador got the better of Canc in his TTing pomp, hilly as the course was, moto-paced or otherwise?! Contador had form as a TTer but not that kind of form - if someone is going to call Froome's performance against Martin questionable then the same can be more than said for Contador's in TdF 2009.[/quote]

Why has Cancellara gone so off the boil with TTs having been god previously? I'm a big fan of his and don't want the reason to be the usual if you know what I mean...