Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not
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The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.0
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Pross wrote:The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.
If Sky were not a GB team I do not think they would be ignoring the fact that their incredible results coincide with the hiring of a doping doctor and their 2 GC winners never performed at that level ever. Froomes times are faster than a lot of doped riders. You talk about marginal gains but take the improvement of Wiggins ITT. This an olympic athlete who turned to the road and signed by teams to win ITT and grab that yellow jersey . He never got nowhere near it and that was coming on the road after being olympic champion. It all looks rather suspicious IMO. Also I don't think some of you guys know how riders dope. They only need a small window. Im sure that if Sky are doing anything and in light of Tygart making a mockery out of our sport, I doubt they will get caught and I don't want them to. I just don't know how you can be so certain that they are clean. As for Contador how do you know he has not been taking anything. Because he has not won. Its so simple to say that but it shows a lack of understanding about performance. Steel bikes you say, I never knew that. Peace ya all.0 -
rayjay wrote:Pross wrote:The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.
If Sky were not a GB team I do not think they would be ignoring the fact that their incredible results coincide with the hiring of a doping doctor and their 2 GC winners never performed at that level ever.
Did Wiggins not come 3rd (4th) in 2009?
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It's like f***ing Groundhog Day in this thread. I'm sure the Wiggins thing has been done to death, the fact that when he turned his attention from riding round in circles very fast for 4km to taking the road seriously and targeting stage races he 'strangely' got better at them. Who knows what he could have achieved earlier if he had focused on it all along. Anyway, this thread is just a pointless circular argument now, you can't prove a negative so I'm out. Can you put a thread on ignore?0
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TailWindHome wrote:rayjay wrote:Pross wrote:The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.
If Sky were not a GB team I do not think they would be ignoring the fact that their incredible results coincide with the hiring of a doping doctor and their 2 GC winners never performed at that level ever.
Did Wiggins not come 3rd (4th) in 2009?
Pre Sky and with 'clean' Garmin.
Garmin Clean? They are the elephant graveyard for dopers. DZ.CVV.DM.TD +JV. They all got busted.
WIggo said it was a fluke, but I think he rode a smart race and was helped by the weight loss, But nowhere near a ITT win and nowhere near the rider he became at Sky, getting winning ITT gaps and not getting dropped at all by the top climbers. Thats a big leap for a rider with no results of 10years or so on the road.
It was great race today. Brilliant win for MK. Cav was just to far back. He needs a Renshaw bad.0 -
Anyone see Vayers hatchet job in Lemonde?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Pross wrote:The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.
What has changed exactly? The temptation to dope?
The only obsessives I can see are those who can only enjoy the sport if they can convince themselves that it's clean.
I keep hearing this 'turned a corner, become less grubby, peloton now much cleaner' . Been hearing it for decades.0 -
So hands up who's convinced the sport's clean? Not a lot of posters here, I would say. Given the history, how could we be?
But there are a lot of us who think there are good reasons to hope that it is significantly cleaner, and that "they must be doping 'cos everyone's always doped" is a lazy cynicism too far.0 -
You have missed the point by about this much:rayjay wrote:TailWindHome wrote:rayjay wrote:Pross wrote:The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.
If Sky were not a GB team I do not think they would be ignoring the fact that their incredible results coincide with the hiring of a doping doctor and their 2 GC winners never performed at that level ever.
Did Wiggins not come 3rd (4th) in 2009?
Pre Sky and with 'clean' Garmin.
Garmin Clean? They are the elephant graveyard for dopers. DZ.CVV.DM.TD +JV. They all got busted.
WIggo said it was a fluke, but I think he rode a smart race and was helped by the weight loss, But nowhere near a ITT win and nowhere near the rider he became at Sky, getting winning ITT gaps and not getting dropped at all by the top climbers. Thats a big leap for a rider with no results of 10years or so on the road.
It was great race today. Brilliant win for MK. Cav was just to far back. He needs a Renshaw bad.
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Do you have any understanding of Garmin's ideals, their approach and the entire reason for their existence? Regardless of their riders' history - no, because of that - if there's just one team in the peloton that's currently clean, you'd bet your house on it being Garmin.
You also missed that this was Wiggins' first post-track TdF, explaining why the result was out of keeping with his previous results on the road, and appear not to have realised the significance of who finished ahead of him that year, which strongly suggests the hypothesis that as much as Wiggins was still getting better after that, the competition got worse/stopped doping quite so much.
But do please feel free to carry on with your ill-informed burbling, because it's quite amusing in a way.N00b commuter with delusions of competence
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Spiny_Norman wrote:
You have missed the point by about this much:rayjay wrote:TailWindHome wrote:rayjay wrote:Pross wrote:The only people who have seriously mentioned Quintana and J Rod doping are the same obsessives who say Froome is. Also you're reasoning that almost all past winners have doped therefore current (and future?) winners must also be doping is seriously flawed. All riders used to ride steel bikes - times change.
If Sky were not a GB team I do not think they would be ignoring the fact that their incredible results coincide with the hiring of a doping doctor and their 2 GC winners never performed at that level ever.
Did Wiggins not come 3rd (4th) in 2009?
Pre Sky and with 'clean' Garmin.
Garmin Clean? They are the elephant graveyard for dopers. DZ.CVV.DM.TD +JV. They all got busted.
WIggo said it was a fluke, but I think he rode a smart race and was helped by the weight loss, But nowhere near a ITT win and nowhere near the rider he became at Sky, getting winning ITT gaps and not getting dropped at all by the top climbers. Thats a big leap for a rider with no results of 10years or so on the road.
It was great race today. Brilliant win for MK. Cav was just to far back. He needs a Renshaw bad.
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Do you have any understanding of Garmin's ideals, their approach and the entire reason for their existence? Regardless of their riders' history - no, because of that - if there's just one team in the peloton that's currently clean, you'd bet your house on it being Garmin.
You also missed that this was Wiggins' first post-track TdF, explaining why the result was out of keeping with his previous results on the road, and appear not to have realised the significance of who finished ahead of him that year, which strongly suggests the hypothesis that as much as Wiggins was still getting better after that, the competition got worse/stopped doping quite so much.
But do please feel free to carry on with your ill-informed burbling, because it's quite amusing in a way.
I don't think you have an understanding of doping full stop. Garmin and JV made a big thing about cleaning up cycling ,then bang. Once they realised they were in deep doogy pooh due to the Armstrong investigation some of their biggest riders confessed to doping and help nail Armstrongs coffin so they woud not get tougher sentences. Now JV and his boys are saying the same things all over again. Seriously do you believe that a team of dopers never doped all the time they were at Garmin because there manger an ex doper says they are clean.ha ha ha. Wiggins results coincide with Leinders ,Fact. You can blah blah blah on about this, but the results are there to see. Riders dope. Im happy you want to believe in the dreamy nice world of sport but I prefer to take it for what it really is and always has been. Do you even know how riders dope? do you know what EPO his? do You know the time window you need not to get detected? I do. You have no idea. ha ha ha0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:
Good read. Not enough is made of his ridiculous physique which he has more or less held ALL year.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Just tried to have a look at the clinic for a giggle. It's down again but looks like it's not a technical issues?...Insta: ATEnduranceCoaching
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frenchfighter wrote:iainf72 wrote:
Good read. Not enough is made of his ridiculous physique which he has more or less held ALL year.
Cue the eating disorder rumours.
Can anyone in The Asylum link him to Russian gymnastics coaches?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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Above The Cows wrote:
The death star hacker team has been on the case.. they were obviously getting too close to the truth :shock:0 -
Above The Cows wrote:
Hopefully not.
the last thing we need here are a load of refugees from The Asylum.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Above The Cows wrote:
Hopefully not.
the last thing we need here are a load of refugees from The Asylum.
Gulp. Now that's a very frightening thought. If any of those nut jobs try posting in here, we need to hound them out mercilessly :twisted:0 -
rickyrider wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Above The Cows wrote:
Hopefully not.
the last thing we need here are a load of refugees from The Asylum.
Gulp. Now that's a very frightening thought. If any of those nut jobs try posting in here, we need to hound them out mercilessly :twisted:
They'll be intimidated and confused by our Horse avatars :roll:0 -
ALIHISGREAT wrote:rickyrider wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Above The Cows wrote:
Hopefully not.
the last thing we need here are a load of refugees from The Asylum.
Gulp. Now that's a very frightening thought. If any of those nut jobs try posting in here, we need to hound them out mercilessly :twisted:
They'll be intimidated and confused by our Horse avatars :roll:
Correlation is not causation.0 -
Horse avatars? Wut?ALIHISGREAT wrote:rickyrider wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Above The Cows wrote:
Hopefully not.
the last thing we need here are a load of refugees from The Asylum.
Gulp. Now that's a very frightening thought. If any of those nut jobs try posting in here, we need to hound them out mercilessly :twisted:
They'll be intimidated and confused by our Horse avatars :roll:You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
I wonder why Jeff Connor is not a believer...Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:I wonder why Jeff Connor is not a believer...
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The Royal Baby has been proven to have doped, grew over 8 pounds in 9 months and VO2 way above normal. Equipe have the stats evidently.0
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