TDF Stage 8 *Spoiler* Castres - AX 3 Domaines

Ringo 68

ddraver wrote:

John Galloway ‏@wjohngalloway
So, last year Wiggins was too boring and efficient=must be doping. This year Froome is too exciting=must be doping. Make your minds up FFS.

I don't understand it.
If I followed a sport where every time anybody did something great I believed they were cheating, I would start watching something else (like golf)

Pross

emadden wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I'm staying off the Internet for the rest of July. It's like a time warp back 12 months - man wins race, mention USPS at every opportunity. People will no doubt be moaning about the boring Sky train shortly #panache # true champion #stilldontlikehim.

Wish Quintana had won

To be fair. most of us have watched over 20 - 30 tours and some of our heroes are not very truthfull heroes and the sport is surrounded by cynicism. so watching a team with 5-6 guys on the front rewind banesto. Telekom. US Postal.

^ This.

So which team had 5-6 guys on the front? People are just changing the facts to suit their opinion now!

joelsim

TVG over 12 minutes down

Turfle

emadden wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Where were the the people who like to cry 'doper' when Qunitana put a minute into people on the Col de Pailhères?

Froome puts a minute into people and he's a doper. Qunitana does it and he's just a plucky little Columbian. I have no problem with skepticism but please be consistent.

Do you not realise that Quintana is a pure climber (as mentioned earlier - he was born above 3000m)? Those behind him were not pure climbers

Oh, a pure climber. Like Pantani, Rasmussen, Virenque etc etc etc etc ec tectcetcetcewtce

ddraver

ES interviewer starting the Froome v Porte battle good and early!

Froome into Polka Dots too

AtC - Rundfart is not someone worth arguing with mate, think Trev the Rev

thegibdog

Rundfahrt wrote:

Second year in a row this forum is sounding like American forums from 1999-2005.

I suppose the key difference is that there is absolutely no dirt whatsoever on Team Sky, so people don't have to try and explain anything away.

ddraver

Richard Williams ‏@rwilliams1947
Kind of reassuring that Quintana couldn't repeat his attack on the final climb, wouldn't you say? #TDF100

Rundfahrt

Above The Cows wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

Are you really trying to use a rider going on the first climb to a rider (and his teammate) blowing everyone away on the final climb? That is absolutely asinine at best. Second year in a row this forum is sounding like American forums from 1999-2005.

How exactly is it different, can you please explain?

If you don't know then you either have no clue about bike racing or are simply Sky blind.



Thegibdog- It's easy to ignore what you don't want to hear...like USPS fans did back then.

I'm heading out for a ride, before folks like start crying to the mods and I get banned for the rest of the tour for not being nice to British riders and for being insulted and personally attacked by others.

mididoctors

oddly I could imagine a upset later in this race.

Quintana is a hard call and it's easy in hindsight to suggest Movistar should have saved him for the last climb but his attack opened up the race. they had to try something


Sky are not so invincible thou porte and froome appear more so... well attack from a long way out early

above_the_cows

emadden wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Where were the the people who like to cry 'doper' when Qunitana put a minute into people on the Col de Pailhères?

Froome puts a minute into people and he's a doper. Qunitana does it and he's just a plucky little Columbian. I have no problem with skepticism but please be consistent.

Do you not realise that Quintana is a pure climber (as mentioned earlier - he was born above 3000m)? Those behind him were not pure climbers

Ha ha ha ha, I was hoping someone would drop the pure climber, altitude thing, of course Kenya and South Africa are at sea level.

Gazzetta67

Pross wrote:

emadden wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I'm staying off the Internet for the rest of July. It's like a time warp back 12 months - man wins race, mention USPS at every opportunity. People will no doubt be moaning about the boring Sky train shortly #panache # true champion #stilldontlikehim.

Wish Quintana had won

To be fair. most of us have watched over 20 - 30 tours and some of our heroes are not very truthfull heroes and the sport is surrounded by cynicism. so watching a team with 5-6 guys on the front rewind banesto. Telekom. US Postal.

^ This.

So which team had 5-6 guys on the front? People are just changing the facts to suit their opinion now!

Eh Sky. Palliheres climb and then left porte fresh for the final 5kms. This Swimming coach Kerrison is working wonders.

above_the_cows

Rundfahrt wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

Are you really trying to use a rider going on the first climb to a rider (and his teammate) blowing everyone away on the final climb? That is absolutely asinine at best. Second year in a row this forum is sounding like American forums from 1999-2005.

How exactly is it different, can you please explain?

If you don't know then you either have no clue about bike racing or are simply Sky blind.



Thegibdog- It's easy to ignore what you don't want to hear...like USPS fans did back then.

I'm heading out for a ride, before folks like start crying to the mods and I get banned for the rest of the tour for not being nice to British riders and for being insulted and personally attacked by others.

So you can't tell me then? Come on genius tell me? Tell me what the difference is? If you're OH SO CLEVER?

Turfle

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

emadden wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I'm staying off the Internet for the rest of July. It's like a time warp back 12 months - man wins race, mention USPS at every opportunity. People will no doubt be moaning about the boring Sky train shortly #panache # true champion #stilldontlikehim.

Wish Quintana had won

To be fair. most of us have watched over 20 - 30 tours and some of our heroes are not very truthfull heroes and the sport is surrounded by cynicism. so watching a team with 5-6 guys on the front rewind banesto. Telekom. US Postal.

^ This.

So which team had 5-6 guys on the front? People are just changing the facts to suit their opinion now!

Eh Sky. Palliheres climb and then left porte fresh for the final 5kms. This Swimming coach Kerrison is working wonders.

Amazing how things change. During the stage people were saying how vulnerable Sky looked with only Kennaugh, Porte, Froome left with 8km of that climb, plus the final climb to go.

TheBigBean

Looks like the yellow and green are done and dusted, so it's now about the big polka dot battle - Froome vs Rolland.

RichN95.

Even standing on the podium, Quintana is shorter than the podium girl (who is admittedly in heels)

above_the_cows

ddraver wrote:

ES interviewer starting the Froome v Porte battle good and early!

Froome into Polka Dots too

AtC - Rundfart is not someone worth arguing with mate, think Trev the Rev

I see that. Ignore is a wonderful feature.

wombly_knees

Brilliant ride by Kennaugh, thought for a while that Sky had really fucked up.

This Tejay Van Garderen, will he challenge the top 30? Kreuziger sacrificing a GC win for Contador... And what a climb by Quintana, shame he couldn't hold on.

thegibdog

Rundfahrt wrote:

Thegibdog- It's easy to ignore what you don't want to hear...like USPS fans did back then.

Indeed it is. I'm not really a Sky fan, I certainly wouldn't try to defend them if there was any dirt on them. Just trying to be rational (I know, on a forum!) and pointing out that the situations are different.

philw80

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

emadden wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I'm staying off the Internet for the rest of July. It's like a time warp back 12 months - man wins race, mention USPS at every opportunity. People will no doubt be moaning about the boring Sky train shortly #panache # true champion #stilldontlikehim.

Wish Quintana had won

To be fair. most of us have watched over 20 - 30 tours and some of our heroes are not very truthfull heroes and the sport is surrounded by cynicism. so watching a team with 5-6 guys on the front rewind banesto. Telekom. US Postal.

^ This.

So which team had 5-6 guys on the front? People are just changing the facts to suit their opinion now!

Eh Sky. Palliheres climb and then left porte fresh for the final 5kms. This Swimming coach Kerrison is working wonders.

He's not a swimming coach, he's an endurance sport coach-he also worked with elite rowing and is a sport scientist. He's a firm believer in the concept of reverse periodisation, which I believe he used with the aforementioned sports in the past. Maybe it's this training approach, in combination to the riders exceptional talents, that provide the 'wonders'.

joelsim

Will be interesting to see how much today has taken out of people. Can Froome keep up the amount of effort he put in today for another 2 weeks?

Pross

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

emadden wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I'm staying off the Internet for the rest of July. It's like a time warp back 12 months - man wins race, mention USPS at every opportunity. People will no doubt be moaning about the boring Sky train shortly #panache # true champion #stilldontlikehim.

Wish Quintana had won

To be fair. most of us have watched over 20 - 30 tours and some of our heroes are not very truthfull heroes and the sport is surrounded by cynicism. so watching a team with 5-6 guys on the front rewind banesto. Telekom. US Postal.

^ This.

So which team had 5-6 guys on the front? People are just changing the facts to suit their opinion now!

Eh Sky. Palliheres climb and then left porte fresh for the final 5kms. This Swimming coach Kerrison is working wonders.

They were down to 4 at 50km to go. Kiryenka did most of the climb on the front before Pete took over about 2km from the top and into the bottom of the final climb. Saxo had more, Movistar at least as many and Belkin must have had about the same. At that point Impey was still with the lead group. It really is clutching at straws to suggest that is remotely similar to USPS. I was thinking Sky looked vulnerable as they lacked numbers. It was completely different to last year's team dominance.

TimB34

That was ace!

Still watching on France2 - Rolland has just been interviewed. He was asked if he though he'd blown it today and his reply was something along the lines of how he'd seen Sky being so dominant all season so he preferred to have tried something and failed rather than just sat in and failed!

Also just seen Sagan roll in 29mins down.

Peraud looks wrecked - I think he's still sweating.

ddraver

It's almost like Cyclists and swimmers are both human beings isnt it?

emadden

Best times up Ax-3-Domaines

1. Laiseka 2001 22:57
2. Armstrong 22:59 2001
3. Froome 23:14 2013

TimB34

Voiture belai has arrived - no-one eliminated.

Sagan throws his flowers into the crowd.

Andy Schleck "tomorrow is another day" He looks tired and strangely old.

Outsider art by Loan

Above The Cows wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

Are you really trying to use a rider going on the first climb to a rider (and his teammate) blowing everyone away on the final climb? That is absolutely asinine at best. Second year in a row this forum is sounding like American forums from 1999-2005.

How exactly is it different, can you please explain?

If you don't know then you either have no clue about bike racing or are simply Sky blind.



Thegibdog- It's easy to ignore what you don't want to hear...like USPS fans did back then.

I'm heading out for a ride, before folks like start crying to the mods and I get banned for the rest of the tour for not being nice to British riders and for being insulted and personally attacked by others.

So you can't tell me then? Come on genius tell me? Tell me what the difference is? If you're OH SO CLEVER?

Dude. Compare the size of the peleton on the first to on the second. There's the difference.

To conclude that there must be doping afoot from today's stage, however, would be daft. At least let him do it multiple times, preferably on consecutive stages, and against a greater opposition than Laurens Ten Dam.

hammerite

I think it's fair to say everyone else got it wrong today and just let Sky boss things too much, then cracked when it mattered.

Kreuziger is stronger than Contador, would've been interesting to see what he could have done. Good rides by the Dutchmen, shows what the tactic of doing your own thing can work.

Nice to see Schleck showing a glimpse of what was and what may be again at some point in the future.

hammerite

emadden wrote:

Best times up Ax-3-Domaines

1. Laiseka 2001 22:57
2. Armstrong 22:59 2001
3. Froome 23:14 2013

Means nothing without looking at what came before, what's coming after, the conditions and the racing situation.

ddraver

The Clinic has crashed - no really it has!

the article don

That was blinding. I really hope (and still just about believe) it was real.