Di Luca up to his old tricks

frenchfighter

GeorgeShaw wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Yes. He was much better before his ban.

Most banned riders are ... :roll:

Read what I was replying to.

Or if you need further explanatio: yes I thought he was clean post ban as he was much better before

mididoctors

disgruntledgoat wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong
Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that ******* stupid??"

I'm sure there's a word for that. It made me smile though.

coming from the guy who made the biggest incredulous career destructing comeback in history! he doesn't get an in

non of the peloton do....

tailwindhome

ThomThom wrote:

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong
Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that ******* stupid??"

Who said doping tests were actually IQ tests? Only the stupid get caught.

Jez mon

I was more surprised at the start of the Giro to see him still riding than I was to wake up to the news today that he was doping.

thomthom

TailWindHome wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong
Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that ******* stupid??"

Who said doping tests were actually IQ tests? Only the stupid get caught.

Tyler

above_the_cows

What is going on? Lance Armstrong has raised a smile from me twice in one week. With this and the crazy whether I'm off to hunt out my sandwich board:

timoid.

mididoctors wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

everything he did this giro was chased down

Intentionally no doubt

had that vibe to it.

Might also have been because he turned snitch when caught last time.

mididoctors

mike6 wrote:

meagain wrote:

There'll soon be NO exciting racing at all. This Giro has been bad enough, if the day ever comes that they are all clean, long stage racing really won't be worth watching. Modern training and diet regimes (just another form of cheating really) are so standardised that no one will dominate, no one will have good/bad days, no one will take chances.

Just give 'em all a single speed bike, no support cars, no radios....oh that's sport, NOT mass marketing posing as entertainment. Cycling has finally joined all the other ex-sports.

To be truthful cycling was the first ex sport. Professional, and run to make money almost from day one. The races ( sic) were planned to be as extreme as possible, so doping was almost a must. It was said by its original director that the ultimate Tour would be one that only one rider could finish. What did he think they were going to do, ride on tea and toast.

Now? You have to ride within your own limits, or fail. I find it more exciting now cos I believe most are clean and they are human, with human frailties, like the rest of us. I think we will see less and less so called "exciting" riders as the juiced guys get caught and kicked out.

I think its a red herring myself

the racing tactics style will change over time.... this giro was still a damm hard race clean or otherwise.

people riding to the PM still have bad days

from what I saw there has been no superteams controlling the peloton... everybody has caught(catching up) up with sky and just cancelled each other out

Look at movistar..put aside your anti-spanish bias for a mo.. how like sky are they????

really similar team abilities starting to evolve.

This race is atypical because of the illness and weather so is hardly a barometer of where we are so to speak. I am keeping an open mind. Di Luca's inability to convert chemical advantage into results I find mildly reassuring.

mididoctors

Timoid. wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

everything he did this giro was chased down

Intentionally no doubt

had that vibe to it.

Might also have been because he turned snitch when caught last time.

or everyone was just trying to win the stage...but yeah who knows. you could be right..or how about this, a multiplicity of motivations?

ddraver

I know what you mean AtC, I think he may finally, FINALLY, be getting it....

At least he admits that he has "0 cred on the doping" I don't see Ferrari or Bruneyl* doing that much!

*I can never spell it!

dsoutar

^ actually, what's happening / happened with Bruyneel ?

afx237vi

TailWindHome wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong
Knowing I have 0 cred on the doping issue - I still can't help but think, "really Di Luca? Are you that ******* stupid??"

Who said doping tests were actually IQ tests? Only the stupid get caught.

Except in Armstrong's case, it was a test he couldn't fail no matter how ****ing stupid he was. Di Luca is an idiot who wasn't playing by the rules, but at least there were rules that applied to him.

alihisgreat

mididoctors wrote:

mike6 wrote:

meagain wrote:

There'll soon be NO exciting racing at all. This Giro has been bad enough, if the day ever comes that they are all clean, long stage racing really won't be worth watching. Modern training and diet regimes (just another form of cheating really) are so standardised that no one will dominate, no one will have good/bad days, no one will take chances.

Just give 'em all a single speed bike, no support cars, no radios....oh that's sport, NOT mass marketing posing as entertainment. Cycling has finally joined all the other ex-sports.

To be truthful cycling was the first ex sport. Professional, and run to make money almost from day one. The races ( sic) were planned to be as extreme as possible, so doping was almost a must. It was said by its original director that the ultimate Tour would be one that only one rider could finish. What did he think they were going to do, ride on tea and toast.

Now? You have to ride within your own limits, or fail. I find it more exciting now cos I believe most are clean and they are human, with human frailties, like the rest of us. I think we will see less and less so called "exciting" riders as the juiced guys get caught and kicked out.

I think its a red herring myself

the racing tactics style will change over time.... this giro was still a damm hard race clean or otherwise.

people riding to the PM still have bad days

from what I saw there has been no superteams controlling the peloton... everybody has caught(catching up) up with sky and just cancelled each other out

Look at movistar..put aside your anti-spanish bias for a mo.. how like sky are they????

really similar team abilities starting to evolve.

This race is atypical because of the illness and weather so is hardly a barometer of where we are so to speak. I am keeping an open mind. Di Luca's inability to convert chemical advantage into results I find mildly reassuring.

You can't turn a donkey into a racehorse with dope.. and Di Luca is a 37 year old donkey.

so I don't know how his inability to convert dope into results is reassuring?

Pross

GeorgeShaw wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Yes. He was much better before his ban.

Most banned riders are ... :roll:

Yes, if they've turned the corner and gone clean. That's what Frenchie was alluding to.

GeorgeShaw

Pross wrote:

GeorgeShaw wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Yes. He was much better before his ban.

Most banned riders are ... :roll:

Yes, if they've turned the corner and gone clean. That's what Frenchie was alluding to.

My bad.

thegibdog

I would imagine most unrepentant dopers who come back worse after their ban are just doping to a lesser extent.

dave milne

thegibdog wrote:

I would imagine most unrepentant dopers who come back worse after their ban are just doping to a lesser extent.

certainly the case with di luca. he can hardly have been doped up that much if he couldn't get away from a "largely clean I hope" peleton

RichN95.

dave milne wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

I would imagine most unrepentant dopers who come back worse after their ban are just doping to a lesser extent.

certainly the case with di luca. he can hardly have been doped up that much if he couldn't get away from a "largely clean I hope" peloton

No amount of doping alters the fact that he's a 37 year old who had only done two days racing pre-Giro

yorkshireraw

Crozza wrote:

YorkshireRaw wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/05/the-secret-pro-2/

While I’m on the topic of Grand Tours, there’s talk going around the peloton that a former Grand Tour winner who’s about to be taken down for a biological passport irregularity. I can’t say who it is but when the news breaks you’ll know who I’m talking about. If it’s true, it’s a good thing that he’s been found out; it shows that the biological passport is doing its job.

I suggested at the time it could be Di Luca, after he stuck in a big attack the day the column came out.... Glad he's been done, sad to call these things out!

Di Luca failed a test though didn't he - EPO detected in blood - not a passport irregularity

although of course one would lead to the other

Good point. Menchov probably then, hence sudden retirement. Good riddance to both.

nic_77

Thick as thieves?!

jerry3571

What's the matter with a bit of EPO, ey!

RoadPainter

frenchfighter wrote:

GeorgeShaw wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Yes. He was much better before his ban.

Most banned riders are ... :roll:

Read what I was replying to.

Or if you need further explanatio: yes I thought he was clean post ban as he was much better before

I think this proves, once and for all, that Panache is on the WADA list. Whenever frenchie talks abut a true champion heavyweight with panache, I know what he means.

overlord2

meagain wrote:

There'll soon be NO exciting racing at all. This Giro has been bad enough, if the day ever comes that they are all clean, long stage racing really won't be worth watching. Modern training and diet regimes (just another form of cheating really) are so standardised that no one will dominate, no one will have good/bad days, no one will take chances.

Just give 'em all a single speed bike, no support cars, no radios....oh that's sport, NOT mass marketing posing as entertainment. Cycling has finally joined all the other ex-sports.

I assume you are being facetious. Otherwise you are a colosal plonker.

Macaloon

RoadPainter wrote:

I think this proves, once and for all, that Panache is on the WADA list. Whenever frenchie talks abut a true champion heavyweight with panache, I know what he means.

But it smells sooooo good

Macaloon

"...He obviously has no respect for himself, his fellow competitors and his peers because he had the cheek to try to win on that occasion, and yet there he was following the same slippery slope to tragedy.

Didn't that register anything in his few brain cells? On every stage I saw him involved in the final moves I was thinking how can the other riders let him even show his face when it might matter, aren't they going to make sure he doesn't win anything, aren't they going to ride him down after all the previous crap he has brought to their doorstep."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/danilo-di-luca-and-evolution

meagain

Overlord2 wrote:

meagain wrote:

There'll soon be NO exciting racing at all. This Giro has been bad enough, if the day ever comes that they are all clean, long stage racing really won't be worth watching. Modern training and diet regimes (just another form of cheating really) are so standardised that no one will dominate, no one will have good/bad days, no one will take chances.

Just give 'em all a single speed bike, no support cars, no radios....oh that's sport, NOT mass marketing posing as entertainment. Cycling has finally joined all the other ex-sports.

I assume you are being facetious. Otherwise you are a colosal plonker.

Like most assumptions yours is only partly correct! I certainly think that the racing is less exciting, less dramatic say, for the "average viewer" than in the '80s and '90s. Equally, all pro sport is now simply an arm of the global brand marketing that is leading inexorably to feudal capitalism - and as a life long socialist that renders it all but unwatchable for me.

Macaloon

meagain wrote:

Like most assumptions yours is only partly correct! I certainly think that the racing is less exciting, less dramatic say, for the "average viewer" than in the '80s and '90s BC. Equally, all pro sport is now simply an arm of the global brand marketing that is leading inexorably to feudal capitalism - and as a life long socialist that renders it all but unwatchable for me.

Too right. Give us Gladiator.

frenchfighter

Macaloon wrote:

"...He obviously has no respect for himself, his fellow competitors and his peers because he had the cheek to try to win on that occasion, and yet there he was following the same slippery slope to tragedy.

Didn't that register anything in his few brain cells? On every stage I saw him involved in the final moves I was thinking how can the other riders let him even show his face when it might matter, aren't they going to make sure he doesn't win anything, aren't they going to ride him down after all the previous crap he has brought to their doorstep."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/danilo-di-luca-and-evolution

R Millar has got good opinions and he is not afraid to mention them, while at the same time, his opinions are ones specifically created to try and bolster his standing.

Now that was a rider with panache, flair and style. Proper racer.

knedlicky

That Millar photo has been mirror-imaged :x

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