Giro - Pre Race Chat Thread.
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.......and in London took 40-odd seconds out of Tony Martin of all people!inkyfingers wrote:Paul 8v wrote:How long is the TT? It's making it sound like he's going to take minutes out of Nibali, I know Wiggins is a great time trialled but Nibali is not awful is he?
Wiggins took 2m 7s out of Nibali over 42KMs and 3m 38s over 53.5KMs in the two 2012 Tour TTs.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
Daz555 wrote:
Not really. He's been a top TTer for years.Abdoujaparov wrote:Big question mark next to Wiggins' TT form - he hasn't done any in 2013.
Doesn't say anything about his form though does it. I'm sure he'll do some serious damage in the flat TT, but I doubt he'll be putting 3m30 into good TTers0 -
Abdoujaparov wrote:Daz555 wrote:
Not really. He's been a top TTer for years.Abdoujaparov wrote:Big question mark next to Wiggins' TT form - he hasn't done any in 2013.
Doesn't say anything about his form though does it. I'm sure he'll do some serious damage in the flat TT, but I doubt he'll be putting 3m30 into good TTers
Why, do you think he might have forgotten how to TT?"I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
inkyfingers wrote:Abdoujaparov wrote:Daz555 wrote:
Not really. He's been a top TTer for years.Abdoujaparov wrote:Big question mark next to Wiggins' TT form - he hasn't done any in 2013.
Doesn't say anything about his form though does it. I'm sure he'll do some serious damage in the flat TT, but I doubt he'll be putting 3m30 into good TTers
Why, do you think he might have forgotten how to TT?
Nope, and do you know what form means?0 -
Abdoujaparov wrote:inkyfingers wrote:Abdoujaparov wrote:Daz555 wrote:
Not really. He's been a top TTer for years.Abdoujaparov wrote:Big question mark next to Wiggins' TT form - he hasn't done any in 2013.
Doesn't say anything about his form though does it. I'm sure he'll do some serious damage in the flat TT, but I doubt he'll be putting 3m30 into good TTers
Why, do you think he might have forgotten how to TT?
Nope, and do you know what form means?
Sorry, reading that again it sounded pretty patronising.
Mechanical excepted he looked pretty decent in Trentino, and that was four weeks out from the big Giro climbs."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
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inkyfingers wrote:Abdoujaparov wrote:inkyfingers wrote:Abdoujaparov wrote:Daz555 wrote:
Not really. He's been a top TTer for years.Abdoujaparov wrote:Big question mark next to Wiggins' TT form - he hasn't done any in 2013.
Doesn't say anything about his form though does it. I'm sure he'll do some serious damage in the flat TT, but I doubt he'll be putting 3m30 into good TTers
Why, do you think he might have forgotten how to TT?
Nope, and do you know what form means?
Sorry, reading that again it sounded pretty patronising.
Mechanical excepted he looked pretty decent in Trentino, and that was four weeks out from the big Giro climbs.
No probs. My reply was probably a bit spiky too
He's a worthy favourite, but evens is too narrow for my money. Hesjedal at 10/1 looks better.0 -
Pinotti's named Wiggins as his fave for the Giro - soz Cuddles
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Somewhat off topic, seeing as BW clearly has a good chance of winning this year's Giro, does the crowd think he'll have a stab at the Vuelta at some point ? Would he have a chance given the fact he'd almost certainly be up against AC (although if AC does the tour in the same year that might help) ? I'm not sure the general parcours would be his bag.0
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Short answer I'd say is probably why not? If & its a big if he does win then I see no reason to go for all 3, though it would be a tall order and perhaps the why not is my vision of what I would like to see.Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.0
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no reason why he couldn't at some point but probably not this year - he'll be going full gas on the Giro, then supporting Froome at the tour, he'll be finished... froome tried to support for the tour and then tried for the vuelta and he popped
if you had a real good go at the classics then you could regroup for the vuelta and worlds but the giro/tour would be out"I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
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A lot would depend on the Vuelta organisers. In reality I can't see Wiggins winning on a parcours like last season and I believe it is even worse this year. I know he had just come back from injury but we saw how Wiggins struggled on the steep Vuelta climbs in 2011. I can't see the organisers putting in a long time trial and less steep climbs as they would be reducing the chances of a Spaniard winning.0
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just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting this year but maybe in a year or two. Probably not beyond that though given the fact that he's 30 now0
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To be fair, it was the Angliru that did for Brad in 2011 - and he got the gearing wrong.
Having said that, I'm a Brad fan but with the Vuelta organisers obsession with many many wall-like summit finishes...noo....I see Spanish or Columbian winners for some time to come...
If he wins the Giro this year, personally 'd like him either go for Tour again next year or go for P-R/ L-B-L0 -
Are you guys suggesting Wiggo would enter all three GT's to win them? No cyclist has ever won all three Grand Tours in one year. Not even Merckx or the likes of Hinault, Anquetil, Indurain managed to do it.
Wiggins would have absolutely no chance unless for some reason they were all full of TT miles in the same year.0 -
Milton50 wrote:Are you guys suggesting Wiggo would enter all three GT's to win them? No cyclist has ever won all three Grand Tours in one year. Not even Merckx or the likes of Hinault, Anquetil, Indurain managed to do it.
Wiggins would have absolutely no chance unless for some reason they were all full of TT miles in the same year.
No - discussion's been whether he'd target to win it at some point0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
Having said that, I'm a Brad fan but with the Vuelta organisers obsession with many many wall-like summit finishes...noo....I see Spanish or Columbian winners for some time to come...
Thats a good point as does appear to be heavily weighted toward the super climbersPain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.0 -
Milton50 wrote:Are you guys suggesting Wiggo would enter all three GT's to win them? No cyclist has ever won all three Grand Tours in one year. Not even Merckx or the likes of Hinault, Anquetil, Indurain managed to do it.
Wiggins would have absolutely no chance unless for some reason they were all full of TT miles in the same year.
Bit more difficult in Merckx's day with the Vuelta inbetween the Giro and the Tour."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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It was Vuelta, then Giro then Tour.0
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Danlikesbikes wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:
Having said that, I'm a Brad fan but with the Vuelta organisers obsession with many many wall-like summit finishes...noo....I see Spanish or Columbian winners for some time to come...
Thats a good point as does appear to be heavily weighted toward the super climbers
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If his 'love of the history of cycling' really motivates him, rather than a steep-ramps-fest Vuelta or one-dayers, the hour record wouldn't be a bad objective0
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Yeah, it'd be great to see Wiggo have a go, but it's so tough that they're all too scared of failure these days aren't they?0
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JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:Yeah, it'd be great to see Wiggo have a go, but it's so tough that they're all too scared of failure these days aren't they?
Its just called 'having limits' - unlike the good old days where the depth of your pocket was the main limit.0 -
FJS wrote:If his 'love of the history of cycling' really motivates him, rather than a steep-ramps-fest Vuelta or one-dayers, the hour record wouldn't be a bad objective
Oooh....ridiculous amount of prep though. Didnt Boardman spent 7 months training for it? The sponsors wouldnt stand for it - too much time out of action.0 -
Roubaix is the one he's talked about having a proper go at.0
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Richmond Racer wrote:FJS wrote:If his 'love of the history of cycling' really motivates him, rather than a steep-ramps-fest Vuelta or one-dayers, the hour record wouldn't be a bad objective
Oooh....ridiculous amount of prep though. Didnt Boardman spent 7 months training for it? The sponsors wouldnt stand for it - too much time out of action.
I'm pretty certain that Wiggins' stock is high enough that if he wanted to he could. Also, what're they going to do, sack him?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:FJS wrote:If his 'love of the history of cycling' really motivates him, rather than a steep-ramps-fest Vuelta or one-dayers, the hour record wouldn't be a bad objective
Oooh....ridiculous amount of prep though. Didnt Boardman spent 7 months training for it? The sponsors wouldnt stand for it - too much time out of action.
I'm pretty certain that Wiggins' stock is high enough that if he wanted to he could. Also, what're they going to do, sack him?
His contract isnt going to allow him to cart off racing for x months to prep for something like that, which means a lot to some of us die-hards, but toot all to 99.99% of people.
The only way I could see it even possibly happening is this: Wiggo's said he's prob going on till 2016. He's talked of fancying going out on the track in Rio so that he ends his career where he started it. He'll be 36 so could he really be able to fend off the younger GB pursuiters for a place in the team? Maybe, just maybe if the answer's no...IF The Hour was revised, and he went for it, I'd see it as end-of-career send-off a la Boardman.
EDIT: on t'other hand, Wiggo's so contrary, who knows... 0 -
good thing about the hour is that you can pick the week to suit you whereas the TdF is in July whether you're ready or not....
[/back on topic] the above all assumes that he wins the Giro this year !!"I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
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I'd love to see Wiggo have a crack at the UCI hour record (on an old school bike). Ondrej Sosenka holds the record but he's a dirty drug cheat so Boardman should really still hold the honour - he also holds the "best human effort" when he rode in the superman position.
As for 2016 - if he's fit I can certainly see him trying to get into the track squad for 2016. British Cycling is in such awesome shape though it would be a huge effort for him to make the 4 (or even the 1 if they bring back the individual pursuit).
If Sutton is right in his assertion that Wiggo did not train as hard as he should in his old track days then Wiggo could actually be relatively better aged 36 than the last time he stepped on the track.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
He hasn't even won the Giro yet so let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here!0
