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  • junglist_matty
    junglist_matty Posts: 1,731
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Indeed.... And because at his current weight, he looks fit and healthy, in the TDF last year, he didn't look healthy IMO.... He looked far too thin, being that thin is very dangerous on the body and if going to that length, should be endured for very short periods (i.e. a few weeks at the most)

    So loose weight for the big tours, keep a low weight during the tour then gain weight after to a more healthy weight.... Even so, it's still controversial that someone as lean as Wiggo has any weight to loose yet keep silly high power output figures, but that's a subject of another debate!

    At the end of the day, he did well to catch up, used up his reserve tank and had nothing left when Nibi attacked; either way, I think Nibi got one over Wiggo in the mind games today, but Wiggo now has something to prove to the world and todays mechanical failure could be the best thing to happen for him going into the Giro; who knows!
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Just stirring, but.... one of Sky's marginal gains was the peaking all year round brought in by the swimming coach.


    Rich...over to you for another go-round of explaining...
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Tough luck Wiggins.

    Well done Nibali.
    Danlikesbikes wrote:
    Go on then who is going to be the first to start a thread 'chain gate 2.0'

    Don't really think there's anything to discuss.
    If you want a contentious issue we could discuss how much quicker Wiggins's mechanical would have been fixed if there had been radios in the race.


    I was thinking the same thing.

    Maybe Wiggins himself should shoulder some of the blame in that respect?
    He climbed off after the 3rd or 4th mechanical episode.
    Given that the road was plenty wide enough, should he not have dropped to the back of
    the group and signalled the car forward, earlier?
    Quick chat, rapid bike swap and off to go.

    Instead, he had to hang around and wait.

    Maybe the power meter issue was a factor.
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  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    junglist_matty wrote:

    At the end of the day, he did well to catch up, used up his reserve tank and had nothing left when Nibi attacked; either way, I think Nibi got one over Wiggo in the mind games today, but Wiggo now has something to prove to the world and todays mechanical failure could be the best thing to happen for him going into the Giro; who knows!

    I don't think so in terms of mind games.

    Nibs got one over on Wiggo by waiting till he was almost back on the group and then just attacked. Looked like Wiggo was in the red to get back on and as soon as Nibs attacked and getting back on didn't work out just shut it down to a more comfortable rate, as he was never going to make that back and the stage & GC were already gone.
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Just stirring, but.... one of Sky's marginal gains was the peaking all year round brought in by the swimming coach.


    That doesn't mean he's running at his absolute limit all year round.. you can't get down to your GT race weight and remain healthy all year.
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Just stirring, but.... one of Sky's marginal gains was the peaking all year round brought in by the swimming coach.


    That doesn't mean he's running at his absolute limit all year round.. you can't get down to your GT race weight and remain healthy all year.

    This is very true, the problem with Wiggins and form is that he is another year older, has lost a fair few weeks to the booze, and then has had shane sutton ripped away from him. i think he's not going to be quite a focused, and thus the form may not quite be there. being at your absolute peak for 2 lots of 3 weeks is a big ask and i just don't think he'll be able to do it this year...
  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    Think a bit of perspective is required here. The "peaks" last year included beating the like of Westra and Talansky by a handful of seconds. Losing ground to Nibali here primarily as a result of a mechanical is not a disaster by any means.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    philbar72 wrote:
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Just stirring, but.... one of Sky's marginal gains was the peaking all year round brought in by the swimming coach.


    That doesn't mean he's running at his absolute limit all year round.. you can't get down to your GT race weight and remain healthy all year.

    This is very true, the problem with Wiggins and form is that he is another year older, has lost a fair few weeks to the booze, and then has had shane sutton ripped away from him. i think he's not going to be quite a focused, and thus the form may not quite be there. being at your absolute peak for 2 lots of 3 weeks is a big ask and i just don't think he'll be able to do it this year...


    Melodramatic, much? :shock:

    Sutton's still around, he's not been sent to scout new track talent in Mongolia :)
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Are we that used to boring ascents that we forget to shout out when we've actually seen a brilliant one!? ;)

    Today was one. Ridiculously good.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Pfft. Sounds like a great stage and there's no highlights on eurosport until tomorrow morning. I guess I'll just have to hope that someone uploads it to youtube by this evening.
  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    Milton50 wrote:
    Pfft. Sounds like a great stage and there's no highlights on eurosport until tomorrow morning. I guess I'll just have to hope that someone uploads it to youtube by this evening.

    Just looking now as putting in the motogp to record & highlights of todays stage are on ES2 at 11pm GMT
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    philbar72 wrote:
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Just stirring, but.... one of Sky's marginal gains was the peaking all year round brought in by the swimming coach.


    That doesn't mean he's running at his absolute limit all year round.. you can't get down to your GT race weight and remain healthy all year.

    This is very true, the problem with Wiggins and form is that he is another year older, has lost a fair few weeks to the booze, and then has had shane sutton ripped away from him. i think he's not going to be quite a focused, and thus the form may not quite be there. being at your absolute peak for 2 lots of 3 weeks is a big ask and i just don't think he'll be able to do it this year...

    Think it could be simpler still - Not sure he has enough desire any more. Imagine trying to get exctited about this year after the year he had last season...

    Ok so may be 98% "up for it" but he ll need to be 100% come May...

    Here's hoping he proves me wrong (again)
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    ddraver wrote:
    philbar72 wrote:
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Of course the rumours and conspiracies tend to overlook the blindingly obvious. In this case it's that the first high mountains stage of the Giro is still four weeks away.

    Just stirring, but.... one of Sky's marginal gains was the peaking all year round brought in by the swimming coach.


    That doesn't mean he's running at his absolute limit all year round.. you can't get down to your GT race weight and remain healthy all year.

    This is very true, the problem with Wiggins and form is that he is another year older, has lost a fair few weeks to the booze, and then has had shane sutton ripped away from him. i think he's not going to be quite a focused, and thus the form may not quite be there. being at your absolute peak for 2 lots of 3 weeks is a big ask and i just don't think he'll be able to do it this year...

    Think it could be simpler still - Not sure he has enough desire any more. Imagine trying to get exctited about this year after the year he had last season...

    Ok so may be 98% "up for it" but he ll need to be 100% come May...

    Here's hoping he proves me wrong (again)

    I guess its hard to be 'up for it' when you've had a mechanical and have practically zero chance of working back up to the leaders, and if you do get back they're stronger than you on this kind of climb anyway!

    I think he showed the desire just to work back on even if he was dropped straight away.
  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    GingerMagician wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    So....who wants to see the Wiggins bike toss-with-precision-parking, again...?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1uZ2M9f6Iw

    You want panache? THAT was panache :wink:
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    Setarkos Posts: 239
    When did Wiggins switch from osymmetric to standard chainrings?
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  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    Setarkos wrote:
    When did Wiggins switch from osymmetric to standard chainrings?
    I think they were saying they aren't compatible with the new Dura Ace crank, which is a bit annoying for him
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Evans looking a little bit more like his old self, would love to see him amongst the action in the giro, even if he's past winning it.

    Personally I think Wiggins showed a bit of fight today, making a determined effort to get back on until he realised it just wasn't going to happen. A couple of years ago he'd have just lost his mojo and come in ten minutes down.

    Nibali looks great, but as others have said, it's four weeks till the big stages in the Giro.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ThomThom wrote:
    Are we that used to boring ascents that we forget to shout out when we've actually seen a brilliant one!? ;)

    Today was one. Ridiculously good.


    It WAS a bloody good performance by Nibs, no question
  • Walter White
    Walter White Posts: 238
    Danlikesbikes wrote:
    junglist_matty wrote:

    At the end of the day, he did well to catch up, used up his reserve tank and had nothing left when Nibi attacked; either way, I think Nibi got one over Wiggo in the mind games today, but Wiggo now has something to prove to the world and todays mechanical failure could be the best thing to happen for him going into the Giro; who knows!

    I don't think so in terms of mind games.

    Nibs got one over on Wiggo by waiting till he was almost back on the group and then just attacked. Looked like Wiggo was in the red to get back on and as soon as Nibs attacked and getting back on didn't work out just shut it down to a more comfortable rate, as he was never going to make that back and the stage & GC were already gone    .

    Pretty much exactly how i saw it...

    Been reading on other forums how Nibali is a certain favourite for the Giro now based on that stage :? , bizarre stuff and really it stinks of desperation and clutching at any straw they can for Nibali.

    Would of been nice to see Brad do a TT or 2 this year but when looking at the big picture theres no reason why he shouldn't win the Giro, possibly easily to.
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Paul 8v wrote:
    GingerMagician wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    So....who wants to see the Wiggins bike toss-with-precision-parking, again...?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1uZ2M9f6Iw

    You want panache? THAT was panache :wink:
    Sheer class 8)
    Who wouldn't be impressed with someone rolling up to the local cake stop and slinging their bike up against the wall perfectly like that? Looks like he's practiced that

    Chapeau Sir. I'd go and practise but I'd only end up scratching my Dolan, and that would make me sad.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Walter White wrote:

    Been reading on other forums how Nibali is a certain favourite for the Giro now based on that stage :? , bizarre stuff and really it stinks of desperation and clutching at any straw they can for Nibali.

    You'd prefer there was no competition? Perhaps they should skip the race and just give the pink jersey to Wiggins now?

    Anyhoo, it seems Wiggins refused to do any press after the race and some of the Italian media not too happy.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    ThomThom wrote:
    Are we that used to boring ascents that we forget to shout out when we've actually seen a brilliant one!? ;)

    Today was one. Ridiculously good.
    Huh? How was that ridiculously good? What could have been interesting had the life sucked out of it by the Astana train.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Yeah, but it wasnt the Sky train so that's ok...
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    I really don't get why people are questioning Brad's form off the back of that. On stage 2 when both riders were on level terms Wiggins looked in no bother. I'm not necessarily saying he has good form as I haven't seen him racing enough recently but you can't use today's stage as a sign of anything.

    Also, the Giro will have the best part of 80km of time trialling and Nibs will need to gap Wiggins by the same amount as today on 2 stages and probably without a mechanical issue on the final major climb.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    iainf72 wrote:
    Walter White wrote:

    Been reading on other forums how Nibali is a certain favourite for the Giro now based on that stage :? , bizarre stuff and really it stinks of desperation and clutching at any straw they can for Nibali.

    You'd prefer there was no competition? Perhaps they should skip the race and just give the pink jersey to Wiggins now?

    Anyhoo, it seems Wiggins refused to do any press after the race and some of the Italian media not too happy.


    Wiggins can be a mardy piece all right...cue Dario Cioni have to use a lot of charm to get Italian press on side
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    Pross wrote:
    I really don't get why people are questioning Brad's form off the back of that. On stage 2 when both riders were on level terms Wiggins looked in no bother. I'm not necessarily saying he has good form as I haven't seen him racing enough recently but you can't use today's stage as a sign of anything.

    Also, the Giro will have the best part of 80km of time trialling and Nibs will need to gap Wiggins by the same amount as today on 2 stages and probably without a mechanical issue on the final major climb.



    It would be interesting to know what he weighs now. I reckon he's not to far from being ready for the Giro.

    I thought he looked good this week.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    iainf72 wrote:
    Walter White wrote:

    Been reading on other forums how Nibali is a certain favourite for the Giro now based on that stage :? , bizarre stuff and really it stinks of desperation and clutching at any straw they can for Nibali.

    You'd prefer there was no competition? Perhaps they should skip the race and just give the pink jersey to Wiggins now?

    Anyhoo, it seems Wiggins refused to do any press after the race and some of the Italian media not too happy.


    Wiggins can be a mardy piece all right...cue Dario Cioni having to use a lot of charm to get any miffed Italian press on side by the Giro and smooth over any ruffled feathers. Liberal gifting of bottles of his olive oil should help...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Wiggins can be a mardy piece all right...cue Dario Cioni having to use a lot of charm to get any miffed Italian press on side by the Giro and smooth over any ruffled feathers. Liberal gifting of bottles of his olive oil should help...

    Bah! Cycling journos are spoilt. They don't know how lucky they are. A few of them should do a little work on football (or several other sports) and see how much player access they get then.
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  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    edited April 2013
    DeadCalm wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    Are we that used to boring ascents that we forget to shout out when we've actually seen a brilliant one!? ;)

    Today was one. Ridiculously good.
    Huh? How was that ridiculously good? What could have been interesting had the life sucked out of it by the Astana train.

    Attacks and chaos 6 km from the finish on an epic climb. I loved it.

    And regarding Wiggins' form. He looked in pretty good form to me.. Couldn't figure out if he was bluffing or it was his mechanical when he placed himself at the end of the group. He had no trouble moving up positions when needed to.
  • confused@BR
    confused@BR Posts: 295
    It's a chipper innit? Wait for the money race in May.
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