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rick_chasey

DeadCalm wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It's amazing how much souplesse Canc had when he attacked, esp. on the Kwaremont.

Yep. It appears that the 'Clasicamano' is back.

That the guy who thinks Canc has a motor?

frenchfighter

Anyone got a link to the full results list yet? I want to see how far super Sky boys rolled in, whether Downing finished and where Hushovd, Voeckler, Breshcel, Amador and Pozzato placed.

DeadCalm

Rick Chasey wrote:

DeadCalm wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It's amazing how much souplesse Canc had when he attacked, esp. on the Kwaremont.

Yep. It appears that the 'Clasicamano' is back.

That the guy who thinks Canc has a motor?

Nah. It's the other half of the Luigi codename.

rick_chasey

frenchfighter wrote:

Anyone got a link to the full results list yet? I want to see how far super Sky boys rolled in, whether Downing finished and where Hushovd, Voeckler, Breshcel, Amador and Pozzato placed.

1 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) RadioShack Leopard 6:06:01
2 Peter Sagan (Svk) Cannondale Pro Cycling 0:01:27
3 Jurgen Roelandts (Bel) Lotto Belisol 0:01:29
4 Alexander Kristoff (Nor) Katusha 0:01:39
5 Matthieu Ladagnous (Fra) FDJ
6 Heinrich Haussler (Aus) IAM Cycling
7 Greg Van Avermaet (Bel) BMC Racing Team
8 Sébastien Turgot (Fra) Team Europcar
9 John Degenkolb (Ger) Team Argos-Shimano
10 Sebastian Langeveld (Ned) Orica-GreenEdge
11 Lars Boom (Ned) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
12 Daniel Oss (Ita) BMC Racing Team
13 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
14 Stijn Vandenbergh (Bel) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
15 Oscar Gatto (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
16 Yoann Offredo (Fra) FDJ
17 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling
18 Björn Leukemans (Bel) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
19 Vincent Jerome (Fra) Team Europcar
20 Johan Vansummeren (Bel) Garmin-Sharp
21 Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni (Spa) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
22 Marcus Burghardt (Ger) BMC Racing Team
23 Luca Paolini (Ita) Katusha 0:01:48
24 Arnaud Demare (Fra) FDJ 0:02:30
25 Matti Breschel (Den) Team Saxo-Tinkoff 0:02:49
26 Sébastien Hinault (Fra) IAM Cycling
27 Jens Debusschere (Bel) Lotto Belisol
28 Paul Voss (Ger) Team NetApp-Endura
29 Sep Vanmarcke (Bel) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
30 Steve Chainel (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
31 Maxime Vantomme (Bel) Crelan-Euphony
32 Michael Schär (Swi) BMC Racing Team
33 Martin Elmiger (Swi) IAM Cycling
34 Maxim Iglinskiy (Kaz) Astana Pro Team
35 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Team Europcar
36 Zdenek Stybar (Cze) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
37 Kristijan Koren (Slo) Cannondale Pro Cycling
38 Borut Bozic (Slo) Astana Pro Team
39 Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz) Astana Pro Team
40 Michal Kwiatkowski (Pol) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
41 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling
42 Grégory Rast (Swi) RadioShack Leopard
43 Maarten Wynants (Bel) Blanco Pro Cycling Team 0:04:56
44 Filippo Pozzato (Ita) Lampre-Merida
45 Francisco José Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Movistar Team 0:05:40
46 Tyler Farrar (USA) Garmin-Sharp 0:05:56
47 Kevin Hulsmans (Bel) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
48 Marco Bandiera (Ita) IAM Cycling
49 Fabio Sabatini (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
50 Iljo Keisse (Bel) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
51 André Greipel (Ger) Lotto Belisol
52 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
53 Egidijus Juodvalkis (Ltu) Crelan-Euphony
54 Sébastien Minard (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
55 Xavier Florencio Cabre (Spa) Katusha
56 Frederik Willems (Bel) Lotto Belisol
57 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) BMC Racing Team
58 Stijn Devolder (Bel) RadioShack Leopard
59 Andrey Amador Bakkazakova (CRc) Movistar Team
60 Mattia Cattaneo (Ita) Lampre-Merida 0:07:45
61 Kristof Goddaert (Bel) IAM Cycling 0:10:52
62 Russell Downing (GBr) Team NetApp-Endura
63 Matteo Tosatto (Ita) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
64 Laurens De Vreese (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
65 Maciej Bodnar (Pol) Cannondale Pro Cycling
66 Simone Ponzi (Ita) Astana Pro Team
67 Vladimir Gusev (Rus) Katusha
68 Grega Bole (Slo) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
69 Mirko Selvaggi (Ita) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
70 Gustav Larsson (Swe) IAM Cycling
71 Bert-Jan Lindeman (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
72 Martijn Maaskant (Ned) Garmin-Sharp
73 Baden Cooke (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge
74 Klaas Lodewyck (Bel) BMC Racing Team
75 Reinardt Janse Van Rensburg (RSA) Team Argos-Shimano
76 Ramon Sinkeldam (Ned) Team Argos-Shimano
77 Kurt Hovelynck (Bel) Crelan-Euphony 0:13:35
78 James Vanlandschoot (Bel) Accent Jobs-Wanty
79 Tom Van Asbroeck (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
80 Nikias Arndt (Ger) Team Argos-Shimano
81 Roy Curvers (Ned) Team Argos-Shimano
82 Jarl Salomein (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
83 Jack Bauer (NZl) Garmin-Sharp
84 Fumiyuki Beppu (Jpn) Orica-GreenEdge
85 Lars Ytting Bak (Den) Lotto Belisol
86 Edward King (USA) Cannondale Pro Cycling
87 Benjamin Verraes (Bel) Accent Jobs-Wanty
88 Raymond Kreder (Ned) Garmin-Sharp
89 Vicente Reynes Mimo (Spa) Lotto Belisol
90 Imanol Erviti Ollo (Spa) Movistar Team
91 Juan Jose Oroz Ugalde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
92 David Veilleux (Can) Team Europcar
93 Luke Rowe (GBr) Sky Procycling
94 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) RadioShack Leopard
95 Koen De Kort (Ned) Team Argos-Shimano
96 Robert Wagner (Ger) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
97 Jos Van Emden (Ned) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
98 Murilo Antonio Fischer (Bra) FDJ
99 Pieter Jacobs (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
100 Vladimir Isaychev (Rus) Katusha
101 Andreas Schillinger (Ger) Team NetApp-Endura
102 Anders Lund (Den) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
103 Ian Stannard (GBr) Sky Procycling
104 Danilo Hondo (Ger) RadioShack Leopard
105 Bjorn Thurau (Ger) Team Europcar
106 Markus Eichler (Ger) Team NetApp-Endura
107 Mitchell Docker (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge
108 Hugo Houle (Can) AG2R La Mondiale
109 Boy van Poppel (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
110 Jens Keukeleire (Bel) Orica-GreenEdge
111 Andreas Klier (Ger) Garmin-Sharp
112 Gijs Van Hoecke (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
113 Niki Terpstra (Ned) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
114 Dominic Klemme (Ger) IAM Cycling
115 Kris Boeckmans (Bel) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
DNS Jacopo Guarnieri (Ita) Astana Pro Team
DNS William Bonnet (Fra) FDJ
DNF Tom Boonen (Bel) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
DNF Gert Steegmans (Bel) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
DNF Davide Appollonio (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale
DNF Gediminas Bagdonas (Ltu) AG2R La Mondiale
DNF Manuel Belletti (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale
DNF Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz) AG2R La Mondiale
DNF Assan Bazayev (Kaz) Astana Pro Team
DNF Dmitriy Gruzdev (Kaz) Astana Pro Team
DNF Ruslan Tleubayev (Kaz) Astana Pro Team
DNF Rick Flens (Ned) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
DNF Jetse Bol (Ned) Blanco Pro Cycling Team
DNF Adam Blythe (GBr) BMC Racing Team
DNF Thor Hushovd (Nor) BMC Racing Team
DNF Mauro Da Dalto (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
DNF Alan Marangoni (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
DNF Elia Viviani (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
DNF Peio Bilbao (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF Ricardo Garcia Ambroa (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF Steffen Radochla (Ger) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF Adrian Saez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF André Schulze (Ger) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF Alexander Serebryakov (Rus) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF Ioannis Tamouridis (Gre) Euskaltel-Euskadi
DNF David Boucher (Fra) FDJ
DNF Mickael Delage (Fra) FDJ
DNF Johan Le Bon (Fra) FDJ
DNF Jacob Rathe (USA) Garmin-Sharp
DNF Sébastien Rosseler (Bel) Garmin-Sharp
DNF Aliaksandr Kuchynski (Blr) Katusha
DNF Alexey Tsatevich (Rus) Katusha
DNF Marco Haller (Aut) Katusha
DNF Davide Cimolai (Ita) Lampre-Merida
DNF Elia Favilli (Ita) Lampre-Merida
DNF Andrea Palini (Ita) Lampre-Merida
DNF Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Lampre-Merida
DNF Massimo Graziato (Ita) Lampre-Merida
DNF Davide Vigano (Ita) Lampre-Merida
DNF Tosh Van Der Sande (Bel) Lotto Belisol
DNF Marcel Sieberg (Ger) Lotto Belisol
DNF Alex Dowsett (GBr) Movistar Team
DNF Jesus Herrada Lopez (Spa) Movistar Team
DNF Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil (Spa) Movistar Team
DNF Eloy Teruel Rovira (Spa) Movistar Team
DNF Giovanni Visconti (Ita) Movistar Team
DNF Matthew Harley Goss (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge
DNF Jens Mouris (Ned) Orica-GreenEdge
DNF Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge
DNF Tony Gallopin (Fra) RadioShack Leopard
DNF Hayden Roulston (NZl) RadioShack Leopard
DNF Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) RadioShack Leopard
DNF Bernhard Eisel (Aut) Sky Procycling
DNF Salvatore Puccio (Ita) Sky Procycling
DNF Gabriel Rasch (Nor) Sky Procycling
DNF Mathew Hayman (Aus) Sky Procycling
DNF Bert De Backer (Bel) Team Argos-Shimano
DNF William Clarke (Aus) Team Argos-Shimano
DNF Daniele Bennati (Ita) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
DNF Christopher Juul Jensen (Den) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
DNF Jonas Aaen Jörgensen (Den) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
DNF Jonathan Cantwell (Aus) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
DNF Michael Morkov (Den) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
DNF Wesley Kreder (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
DNF Tim De Troyer (Bel) Accent Jobs-Wanty
DNF Jérôme Gilbert (Bel) Accent Jobs-Wanty
DNF Jean-Pierre Drucker (Lux) Accent Jobs-Wanty
DNF Roy Jans (Bel) Accent Jobs-Wanty
DNF Staf Scheirlinckx (Bel) Accent Jobs-Wanty
DNF Stefan Van Dijk (Ned) Accent Jobs-Wanty
DNF Christophe Premont (Bel) Crelan-Euphony
DNF Koen Barbe (Bel) Crelan-Euphony
DNF Jonathan Breyne (Bel) Crelan-Euphony
DNF Kevin Claeys (Bel) Crelan-Euphony
DNF Baptiste Planckaert (Bel) Crelan-Euphony
DNF Aleksejs Saramotins (Lat) IAM Cycling
DNF Jerome Cousin (Fra) Team Europcar
DNF Damien Gaudin (Fra) Team Europcar
DNF Yohann Gene (Fra) Team Europcar
DNF Zakkari Dempster (Aus) Team NetApp-Endura
DNF Blaz Jarc (Slo) Team NetApp-Endura
DNF Daniel Schorn (Aut) Team NetApp-Endura
DNF Alexander Wetterhall (Swe) Team NetApp-Endura
DNF Eliot Lietaer (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
DNF Sven Vandousselaere (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
DNF Preben Van Hecke (Bel) Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise
DNF Stefano Borchi (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
DNF Francesco Chicchi (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
DNF Pier Paolo De Negri (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
DNF Francesco Failli (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
DNF Mauro Finetto (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia
DNF Mattia Pozzo (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia

above_the_cows

ThomThom wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

I just knew it. I knew someone would take it WAAAAAAAAY too serious.

The man is a young cheeky bastard. Get over it.

And somehow I just knew you'd use the usual misogynistic excuse of "get over it". How predictable you misogynists are.

That woman is at work. That woman is employed by the Tour of Flanders and has the right to not have her ars* groped while at work. Sexual assualt Is actually a crime and not something to be excused away by boyish overexuberance.

Little advice.. Don't take everything too literally and serious on the internet.

Good lord...

And a little advice don't make misogynistic comments and then be shocked when someone calls you out on it. The Internet is part of culture it is a place where cultural attitudes are produced. Women are still struggling against cultures of misogyny and comments like yours add to that culture. Sometimes people have to take responsibility for the things they do and say, that includes Sagan and you.

Yaaaaaaaawn.

Can you back up why you think public groping makes a man a legend?

Macaloon

*Very rare serious head*
That shows a staggering lack of respect for his fellow humans by Sagan. Time for him to show that he deserves to be acknowledged as an evolved being, as well as an outrageous athletic talent.

rick_chasey

BMC.

WTF is happening with them?

Tom BB

Christ this place has really gone downhill in the past 6 months. So much arguing and snide comments-it used to be a pretty chilled and respectful place in the main......every thread nowadays descends into bickering and trying be an internet warrior. I find myself visiting less and less as a result.


Anyway, back on topic.....somewhere earlier in the thread someone asked whom would stop Sagan when Boonen and Canc are gone.....bit depressing isn't it really: Boonen didn't feature this year (obviously you can't trot out the to finish first, first you must finish line) so Canc basically beat Sagan.....not exactly a vintage field in the last few years for the cobbled stuff is there? Boonen and Canc are the class acts....Pozzato, Hushovd, Flecha...all been up there at one stage but not exactly heavyweights as such, EBH doesn't seem to have it at this level, you'd think that Gilbert would feature more than he has. That Boonen and Canc are legends is beyond doubt, but the strength of opposition hasn't really been great over the last few years for me.

frenchfighter

Is anyone else missing this guy with the change of route? They better change it back next year.



Thanks Rick.

rick_chasey

Tom BB wrote:

Anyway, back on topic.....somewhere earlier in the thread someone asked whom would stop Sagan when Boonen and Canc are gone.....bit depressing isn't it really: Boonen didn't feature this year (obviously you can't trot out the to finish first, first you must finish line) so Canc basically beat Sagan.....not exactly a vintage field in the last few years for the cobbled stuff is there? Boonen and Canc are the class acts....Pozzato, Hushovd, Flecha...all been up there at one stage but not exactly heavyweights as such, EBH doesn't seem to have it at this level, you'd think that Gilbert would feature more than he has. That Boonen and Canc are legends is beyond doubt, but the strength of opposition hasn't really been great over the last few years for me.

T'was me.

Maybe Phinney or someone could morph into a younger Canc type, and I think Seb Vanmarcke has all the qualities of a new Hoste - a face like a train crash too helps.

frenchfighter

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Man on man... awesome

Absolutely. It is 100000x better than team on team.

Above The Cows wrote:

KOM OP JONGENS!

What does this mean?

Rick Chasey wrote:

Roelandts riding a smart race.

Legs don't derserve to be there. Head does.

I'm glad someone mentioned him. He came 3rd in Flanders and didn't suck wheels to achieve it either. Congratulations.

thomthom

Above The Cows wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

I just knew it. I knew someone would take it WAAAAAAAAY too serious.

The man is a young cheeky bastard. Get over it.

And somehow I just knew you'd use the usual misogynistic excuse of "get over it". How predictable you misogynists are.

That woman is at work. That woman is employed by the Tour of Flanders and has the right to not have her ars* groped while at work. Sexual assualt Is actually a crime and not something to be excused away by boyish overexuberance.

Little advice.. Don't take everything too literally and serious on the internet.

Good lord...

And a little advice don't make misogynistic comments and then be shocked when someone calls you out on it. The Internet is part of culture it is a place where cultural attitudes are produced. Women are still struggling against cultures of misogyny and comments like yours add to that culture. Sometimes people have to take responsibility for the things they do and say, that includes Sagan and you.

Yaaaaaaaawn.

Can you back up why you think public groping makes a man a legend?

I had a laugh over a lad who is a character and did something inappropriate. Some people in here needs to calm the f down. Who knows - maybe they know eachother and, as the cheeky lad he is, he thought it was fun. I'm sure she told him to f'cuk off if she was offended by it.

I thought it was a good shot and a 'typical Sagan'. Now shoot me. But stop your analysing shit about how I am towards women based on a cheeky comment when you know f'uck all about it. Thank you very much.

rick_chasey

frenchfighter wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

KOM OP JONGENS!

What does this mean?

Come on boys.

Standard sporting encouragement.

Le Commentateur

ianwilliams wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Harmon went a bit murdery there

You have to literally kill him!

A bit Jamie Redknapp...

Think the podium girl agrees though!

mididoctors

Rick Chasey wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Sagan needs to be had up for that, he's just a boy I guess but jayzuss thats naff ... can we get rid of the podium girls...its just so anachronistic and crass, just fuels the behaviour

Cycling traditions, anachronistic?

No way.

yeah I get this ain't no big thing but thats why it should go.... johnny bugno in the team car with the lipton ice tea girls is a great yarn and all... but ATEOTD is just naff..the fact that it is trivial makes it more the case for dropping the entire thing... if it's no big thing it won't be missed

is it harmless fun....well when it gets to unreconstructed anti-metrosexual sex hobgoblins like myself thinking its all a bit much then I seriously doubt the necessity of all this.

at the very very very least some sort of protocol briefing for the PROFESSIONAL riders and a more elegant style akin to the Credit lyonaise models

I am not overly down on Sagan individually here as much as the entire thing.

frenchfighter

Tom BB wrote:

Anyway, back on topic.....somewhere earlier in the thread someone asked whom would stop Sagan when Boonen and Canc are gone.....bit depressing isn't it really: Boonen didn't feature this year (obviously you can't trot out the to finish first, first you must finish line) so Canc basically beat Sagan.....not exactly a vintage field in the last few years for the cobbled stuff is there? Boonen and Canc are the class acts....Pozzato, Hushovd, Flecha...all been up there at one stage but not exactly heavyweights as such, EBH doesn't seem to have it at this level, you'd think that Gilbert would feature more than he has. That Boonen and Canc are legends is beyond doubt, but the strength of opposition hasn't really been great over the last few years for me.

I agree that there seems to be a lack of five star riders and the race missed Boonen (even though I doubt he had the form or motivation). At least Boonen would have the courage to try and pull back Cancellara even by himself rather than roll in as a 'nothing' rider.

above_the_cows

Tom BB wrote:

Christ this place has really gone downhill in the past 6 months. So much arguing and snide comments-it used to be a pretty chilled and respectful place in the main......every thread nowadays descends into bickering and trying be an internet warrior. I find myself visiting less and less as a result .

Apologies if you think I'm being an Internet warrior but I'm not going to sit by while someone condones sexual assault. For me that kind of behaviour makes the forum a not very nice place to visit. I agree it detracts from the discussion of the racing but I can't as a woman complain silently about public attitudes towards women, I feel I should challenge sexism when I see it. I hope you can understand that.

Anyway Fabs was awesome, the new route I'm still not convinced about and I'm very sad I'm going to miss Roubaix.

rick_chasey

frenchfighter wrote:

I'm glad someone mentioned him. He came 3rd in Flanders and didn't suck wheels to achieve it either. Congratulations.

It's a tactic I think we will see more and more as people learn how this course works.

With the loops there's a fair bit of gap after the Kwaremont Paterberg double, so we can expect more second row riders who can't hold the fiercest pace the big boys set going ahead of the game/the climbs to be in play later on.

The likes of Stijn Vandenberg or Chava should have tried this for sure, especially with their flat speed.

That polish QS guy was outstanding today by the way.

jane90

ThomThom wrote:

I thought it was a good shot and a 'typical Sagan'. Now shoot me. But stop your analysing shoot about how I am towards women based on a cheeky comment when you know f'uck all about it. Thank you very much.

You make an inflammatory comment and then you expect people not to call you on it because they "know f'uck all about it"? Are you for real?

above_the_cows

frenchfighter wrote:

I'm glad someone mentioned him. He came 3rd in Flanders and didn't suck wheels to achieve it either. Congratulations.

Yes good ride from Roelandts.

jane90

Above The Cows wrote:

Apologies if you think I'm being an Internet warrior but I'm not going to sit by while someone condones sexual assault. For me that kind of behaviour makes the forum a not very nice place to visit. I agree it detracts from the discussion of the racing but I can't as a woman complain silently about public attitudes towards women, I feel I should challenge sexism when I see it. I hope you can understand that.

+1.

mididoctors

lotto where the only team who came out to play with a decent counter plan...

Sagan did near enough the best ride he could... but in reality he just shouldn't have come through a all...not sure it would have made a difference

frenchfighter

Rick Chasey wrote:

That polish QS guy was outstanding today by the way.

Above The Cows wrote:

Sporza guys loving Kwiatowski. Formidable mega-talent apparently.

frenchfighter wrote:

Really pleased to see Kwiatowski mixing it up when he is a stage race rider.

I love this rider. Showing real talent in all races he enters and certainly not afraid to mix it with the best of them. Been following him closely this year and am really hoping and expect he could go on to big things. He can TT and climb. He is also stylish on the bike.

EKIMIKE

ThomThom wrote:

Oh, so you did read my 'Europcar bullshit' - I was waiting for a reply from you as you obvisouly didn't agree on it...

I wrote something on page 8. But you're more than welcome to believe that Europcar were trying to force a split or drop favourites at 120km to go, whereas i'm happy to believe they were riding for position (like everyone always is at Flanders before the hellingen)

Anyway leaving the sanctimonious tones behind, can anyone remember what the plan for the new route was? Was it two years the review or three?

rick_chasey

mididoctors wrote:

stuff.

Yeah. Cycling has more issues than pretty girls who do a little kiss for the camera and hand out the flowers and champagne. Couple of them have gone on to marry cyclists right? It's hardly like those women inbetween boxing rounds.

For sure you can have some gender/feminist issues with it, and objectively they play out, but it's not something that particuarly grates. It's tastefully done usually. They'd be better off showing the female's racing and focussing on that.

Sagan comes off worse doing that.

above_the_cows

jane90 wrote:

You make an inflammatory comment and then you expect people not to call you on it because they "know f'uck all about it"? Are you for real?

I think ThomThom is just trying to get a € for every misogynistic cliche they can muster Jane. We've had, clam down, it was a joke, perhaps they knew each other, what do you know, it was only a bit of fun, if she had a problem she could have told him. I'm waiting for the she was asking for it because she was a podium girl, her clothes, she was drink etc.

I might use this conversation as an example of day to day misogynistic discourse when I next give a lecture on gender.

And I really didn't want this thread to become about that picture! Grrrr.

Can we go back to discussing how Cancellara can just crest a hill better than anyone while on the attack and the slim pool of really quality one day racers?

rick_chasey

mididoctors wrote:

lotto where the only team who came out to play with a decent counter plan...

Sagan did near enough the best ride he could... but in reality he just shouldn't have come through a all...no sure it would have made a difference

You can see what he's trying to do.

He's saying to Canc "don't worry, i'll work with you to the finish to keep everyone away".

mididoctors

Rick Chasey wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

lotto where the only team who came out to play with a decent counter plan...

Sagan did near enough the best ride he could... but in reality he just shouldn't have come through a all...no sure it would have made a difference

You can see what he's trying to do.

He's saying to Canc "don't worry, i'll work with you to the finish to keep everyone away".

yeah he was faking it a bit and I think we all smelt it. Luigi dropped back to watch him the first +2nd time up the paterberg..

EKIMIKE

Greipel, Kwiatkowski, Roelandts and Cancellara were the real racers today. Everyone else followed wheels (well, obviously not but in the spirit of this forum... ).

Surprised at how anonymous Chavanel was and then how far back Terpstra finished given their De Panne form.

thomthom

jane90 wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

I thought it was a good shot and a 'typical Sagan'. Now shoot me. But stop your analysing shoot about how I am towards women based on a cheeky comment when you know f'uck all about it. Thank you very much.

You make an inflammatory comment and then you expect people not to call you on it because they "know f'uck all about it"? Are you for real?

Whatever. Let's end this by saying that I respect women and I would never grab a women's butt on a podium in Flandern nor will I ever advice Peter Sagan to do it.

Now, excuse me while I unlock my girlfriend out for her daily walkaround. The chain tends to be a bit tricky as it has developed a bit of rust over the years.