Replica Cervelo S5

d87francis

Yea would love to know.

Vtech I think you are just digging a deeper hole for yourself - fess up, stop posting so much rubbish and you might not rub so many up the wrong way. I for one have found your presence on this forum a tad irritating. Perhaps hop on your bike a bit more and you'll find you won't have the time to irritate so many.

diy

C'mon guys - if he wanted to post his identity he would. Its not fair to out someone just because you have worked out who they are and what they do. I think we all find this place a better place if we can maintain some thinly veiled anonymity.

PS this is the view from office yesterday.


my point being that posting a picture from a motel window, (and note the exact gps coordinates along with the full raw date format are also in the EXIF) proves that somebody was there on that date at that time and took the picture.

andi1363

Have I missed something? Are cyclists dying while riding far east carbon products?

imposter2.0

VTech wrote:

I've also never mentioned that I am rich, again only people looking to make an issue of it have done that,

VTech wrote:

The chances are, I probably have more money than you

hmmm

paultheparaglider

VTech is the best troll we have had on here in a long time. Yes, he has been caught out a few times such as his failure to get BA policy right, his posting times when he was supposedly out at the Malaysian Grand Prix, and now his photo. But he is a great blend of believable with just a hint of passive aggressive. Added to which, he makes a few good points now and then.

I think he has a point on these frames. I own a 2006 Trek Madone SL which was reasonably state of the art when I bought it. Nowadays, top end frames are about 25% lighter, and that weight reduction has been achieved by using high quality carbon fibre grades, and careful frame design with well considered strengthened areas and weight saved where possible. Making a copy frame with lower quality materials might result in weaknesses at the points that have been weight saved. Not something I'd want to be testing out for myself on the road.

Personally, I'd rather have a Ribble or similar than a Dogma copy or the like. I'd feel safer. Most frames coming out of China are probably ok, but anyone who has spent time in that part of the world knows just how dodgy some of the business practises can be. I don't guess it would worry me to buy a fake Rolex as my world wouldn't stop if the watch did. But, some of these fake frames are a step beyond where I would personally go.

Anyway. long live VTech. I'd love to have a drink with him sometime. He has certainly livened up this place no end.

rolf_f

Imposter wrote:

VTech wrote:

I've also never mentioned that I am rich, again only people looking to make an issue of it have done that,

VTech wrote:

The chances are, I probably have more money than you

hmmm

Hmmm, West Midlands area, considerably richer than you? Is this you?.......



C'mon Vtech - you aren't helping yourself. You've gone all inconsistent again!

paultheparaglider wrote:

Anyway. long live VTech. I'd love to have a drink with him sometime. He has certainly livened up this place no end.

He definitely has.

LegendLust

pride4ever wrote:

I think if some dude wants to save some money and pretend he,s riding an expensive bike then he should be allowed to do so. If he,s very unlucky and aforementioned cheap copy decides to go defunct mid ride we should then be allowed to start a thread on the dangers of buying cheap copies and hopefully show pictures of his bruised and battered body/ego. I dont exactly defend counterfeiting but when the original brand is so over priced the company cant be surprised when people opt for the cheaper and inevitably less stable choice. Personally I wouldn't be seen dead on a Cervelo and so I definitely wouldn't be seen literally dead on a copy of one lol.

Heres Mo with your next frame, comes with a box of noodles and an extra hard helmet...enjoy.

Aren't you contradicting yourself there?

You want a well made product, with R&D done by some of the industries great brains, using top quality materials, that rides and handles well. You also want a good supply chain and good distribution and outlets, but yet you want to pay F**k all for it?

You've also got to remember that Cervelo supply bikes to a pro team – someone's got to pay for all that R&D feedback.

diy

that frame looks rather heavy, look at the concentration on that kids face.

cerv52

I know my thread almost started WW3 which it was not intended to but I have to add this to it. This is not the same frame as the one I originally posted but as you can see from the pictures and the guys words replicas just don't work. He only rode it ONCE before it broke!!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cervelo-S5-RE ... 2a2b409e53

VTech

He must be lying as they are made in the same factory, by the same people using he same moulds.
I'm sure cervelo will honour the warranty as even they won't k ow the difference

cerv52

A fake Cervelo will not have a bar code on it which will be recognised by Cervelo for frame registration so how do you think they will honour a warranty! DOH!. You have really changed your tune Vtech. Earlier in the thread you were having arguments with nearly everyone about people buying fake crap and now your saying its ok and lets rip off a genuine company and give them a duff frame back. Unless of course your being sarcastic with the smilie face at the end... in which case I am the muppet lol

VTech

I wouldn't want to call you a muppet
Of course I'm being sarcastic, only a fool would think that a real and fake cervelo are made in the same moulds by he same people as the originals.
The first thing cervelo would do is stop the contract and sue !

Anyone buying counterfeit is a fool, my opinion hasn't and won't change. If life has dealt you cards that mean you can't buy the best then that's the way it is, it's much better to buy good, cheaper products than cheap fake.

elmoreynolds

Hi guys, yes that is my frame on there that you're talking about, the crack can be repaired for about 80 pound. It cracked after the first ride yes but did not affect performance, its a proven race winner, as i won my first race on it. Ive stopped riding it now as i just dont want it to break during a ride. But can be repaired and then its fine!

Just to clear some peoples vague minds about how ALL THESE MAJOR BRANDS are made in italy or where ever, it is ONLY COLONAGO that is not made in taiwan. EVERY OTHER brand is made in taiwan. I have been told my numerous bike shops this and therefore believe them, dont get fooled by pinarello that there made in italy, painted there maybe, but defo not assembled there. WW4 here we come.....

LegendLust

elmoreynolds wrote:

Hi guys, yes that is my frame on there that you're talking about, the crack can be repaired for about 80 pound. It cracked after the first ride yes but did not affect performance, its a proven race winner, as i won my first race on it. Ive stopped riding it now as i just dont want it to break during a ride. But can be repaired and then its fine!

Just to clear some peoples vague minds about how ALL THESE MAJOR BRANDS are made in italy or where ever, it is ONLY COLONAGO that is not made in taiwan. EVERY OTHER brand is made in taiwan. I have been told my numerous bike shops this and therefore believe them, dont get fooled by pinarello that there made in italy, painted there maybe, but defo not assembled there. WW4 here we come.....

Really? You willing to bet money on that?

elmoreynolds

Oh ello, i might aswell not even bother with this, its a lost cause, too many people been brainwashed. Reminds me about how everyone was so convinced lance armstrong was not a doping athlete. Believe what you want friend, i know where these frames are made, even if you still dont.

Jon_1976

elmoreynolds wrote:

COLONAGO

I see what you did there

elmoreynolds

:P aha that was a typo, meant colnago

VTech

elmoreynolds wrote:

Oh ello, i might aswell not even bother with this, its a lost cause, too many people been brainwashed. Reminds me about how everyone was so convinced lance armstrong was not a doping athlete. Believe what you want friend, i know where these frames are made, even if you still dont.

Are you confirmin that the replica bikes are made in the same factory by the same people using the same carbon aware original ?

LegendLust

elmoreynolds wrote:

Oh ello, i might aswell not even bother with this, its a lost cause, too many people been brainwashed. Reminds me about how everyone was so convinced lance armstrong was not a doping athlete. Believe what you want friend, i know where these frames are made, even if you still dont.

Tell you what. I'll give you chance to stay clear of getting egg on your face.

You do some research into these brands:

Zullo

Pegoretti

Tommasini

Legend

Time

Cyfac

rolf_f

And Look. And I believe some of the German manufacturers still manufacture in Germany. Infact, most upper end brands maintain some manufacturing away from the Far East because ultimately, it gives the brand credibility. Of course, some have sold out completely mentioning no wobbly forked bikes....... (Pinarello are a good example of a brand that has given up manufacture in Italy).

elmoreynolds wrote:

Oh ello, i might aswell not even bother with this, its a lost cause, too many people been brainwashed. Reminds me about how everyone was so convinced lance armstrong was not a doping athlete. Believe what you want friend, i know where these frames are made, even if you still dont.

Because a few bike shops told you stuff? No, you don't know where things are made - you just know that someone has told you something; that's heresay. It isn't the same thing as knowledge. And no, not everyone was convinced that Lance didn't dope.

TKF

VTech wrote:

I've just got off the phone with Micheal Peters of Cervelo

Being a bell on a forum is one thing but wasting someone's time when they are at work is taking the biscuit.

Seriously, think about what you've done here. Step away from the keyboard.

proto

Guys get a grip, he said 'all major brands' and he's right. They are made in Taiwan/China and that includes all but the very top end Colnagos (the lugged ones), and all Pinarellos.

As for the popular German brands - Focus/Cube/Rose/Canyon - they'll be made somewhere in the far east too.

Very new bikes are made in Europe, but some are, as mentioned above. Time, BMC, Pegoretti and so on. Not sure about LOOK, again top end models probably made in France but some are made (or used to be) in Tunisia, and maybe far east now.

Some custom bikes are made in Italy, the UK brand Wyndy Milla gets theirs custom made there. I believe that's where Condor get there's made too.

amaferanga

elmoreynolds wrote:

Hi guys, yes that is my frame on there that you're talking about, the crack can be repaired for about 80 pound.

If it's only £80 then why not get it fixed yourself? Which of the carbon repairers will fix it for £80? Does that include a respray?

VTech

TKF wrote:

VTech wrote:

I've just got off the phone with Micheal Peters of Cervelo

Being a bell on a forum is one thing but wasting someone's time when they are at work is taking the biscuit.

Seriously, think about what you've done here. Step away from the keyboard.

Wow, where did that come from ?
I'm so sad now

LegendLust

proto wrote:

Guys get a grip, he said 'all major brands' and he's right. They are made in Taiwan/China and that includes all but the very top end Colnagos (the lugged ones), and all Pinarellos.

As for the popular German brands - Focus/Cube/Rose/Canyon - they'll be made somewhere in the far east too.

Very new bikes are made in Europe, but some are, as mentioned above. Time, BMC, Pegoretti and so on. Not sure about LOOK, again top end models probably made in France but some are made (or used to be) in Tunisia, and maybe far east now.

Some custom bikes are made in Italy, the UK brand Wyndy Milla gets theirs custom made there. I believe that's where Condor get there's made too.

yes I think they may be made at Sarto

VTech

As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, it doesn't really matter where they are made as asia does have a better reputation for carbon design and build than Italy.
Where it comes from shouldnt be an issue, the fact that its counterfeit is the issue.
The fact that after 1 ride the bike cracked says it all.
It was made cheaply and by cutting corners.

I'm not sure how I can add to that as no matter why is written here, some members will argue the toss.

At the end of the day you have options.

Save up for genuine.
Buy something you can afford.
Buy fake.


I've made myself clear what I would do, as others have with what they would do.
I can understand it when some people have high aspirations but can't fund them and to make themself feel better thy but counterfeit, like the girls with fake LV handbags.
We all laugh at them and as they get older they will realise how they have wasted there money on cheap tat but at some point we all make similar mistake.

napoleond

I'm so glad I ride a genuine Cervelo and not something made from a mould in China.

elmoreynolds

amaferanga wrote:

elmoreynolds wrote:

Hi guys, yes that is my frame on there that you're talking about, the crack can be repaired for about 80 pound.

If it's only £80 then why not get it fixed yourself? Which of the carbon repairers will fix it for £80? Does that include a respray?

Thats my plan of action if it doesn't sell. I've currently put all my parts onto my old frame, but will consider that option if it does not meet the reserve price. It does not include the respray unfortunately And it was a carbon repair specialist in Norwich

VTech

elmoreynolds wrote:

amaferanga wrote:

elmoreynolds wrote:

Hi guys, yes that is my frame on there that you're talking about, the crack can be repaired for about 80 pound.

If it's only £80 then why not get it fixed yourself? Which of the carbon repairers will fix it for £80? Does that include a respray?

Thats my plan of action if it doesn't sell. I've currently put all my parts onto my old frame, but will consider that option if it does not meet the reserve price. It does not include the respray unfortunately And it was a carbon repair specialist in Norwich

I know people will argue with me here but I must say this.

Please don't repair this frame and don't sell it, you have admitted that it cracked afte 1 ride which means its build is poor and will brake again, your wasting your money.

Also, if you sell it and it fails you would be liable and could lose far more than the money you sell it for.

It's not worth the hassle, put it down to a bad experience and walk away from it.

mallorcajeff

What a great thread and ends with sufficient evidence that people really should not waste time and money and risk everyones safety with this utter rubbish. I cannot believe people will come down on a mountain in nothing more than lycra and take a huge risk on a fake product in order to save somehwere between 500 and 1500 quid. Madness. Buy what you can afford and buy real. When it breaks it might not be just you that gets taken out when it goes bang.