Sky and David Walsh

blazing_saddles

ddraver wrote:

One more before bed - Th eonly time I can think of this forum (ProRace in particular) ever getting properly aggressive is in the face of people who are deliberately trolling threads to cause arguments. Yes I ll name and shame, the 3 most recent examples being Biking Bernie, Trev the Rev and the everlasting dennisn.

Debate/threads can be robust but they are always carried out based on fact and reality, in an intelligent reasonable way and with the minimum of name calling.

Admittedly Frenchie is a law unto himself, but still we all still value his contribution.

Indeed.
The debate itself was extremely calm and restrained.
Hence the quality.

After all, no one expected it to end with a real shift of position from either side, did they?

RichN95.

Macaloon wrote:

ddraver wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Said it before and I'll say it again, if you keep dragging up Geert L as evidence of Sky evilness you're truly clueless.

Would nt have expected you to say that iain, goes to show i'm happy to be proved wrong!

If Iain has his cryptic hat on, this means that there's much stronger evidence of evil available to the clued-up

I think he just sees them as evil in the same way as he saw HTC as evil - a team distilling the sport down to powermeters and spreadsheets.

RichN95.

Pross wrote:

I notice on Twitter that she mentions sexist comments being made about her on here. Am I missing something or have posts been deleted as I can't see anything. I do hope she'll return as it is always useful to have someone to take the opposite view point as a forum in full agreement is just boring. That's why, despite what he may think, I enjoy Frenchie's contributions when he stands his ground ( less so when he resorts to the defensive 'you know nothing I'm ignoring you' approach though).

She may have perceived my comment about her being invited to CCN just to make the coffee as sexist, but it was meant as a dig about her general irrelevance compared to Vaughters and Ashenden. Men can make coffee too, you know. We're not that useless.

And Frenchie's 'you know nothing I'm ignoring you' routine is my favourite bit. It's ploughing through 20 hi-res photos while reading the forum on a smartphone that annoys me.

Pross

Yeah, I thought afterwards that may have been it but I read it the way you intended (seemed the logical meaning of the dig).

Macaloon

RichN95 wrote:

Macaloon wrote:

If Iain has his cryptic hat on, this means that there's much stronger evidence of evil available to the clued-up

I think he just sees them as evil in the same way as he saw HTC as evil - a team distilling the sport down to powermeters and spreadsheets.

Yes. I was admiring the economy of language, and indulging in some Kremlinology. Run for the hills if he ever reps a TeamSky Spotify playlist.

rob churchill

Pross wrote:

I notice on Twitter that she mentions sexist comments being made about her on here. Am I missing something or have posts been deleted as I can't see anything. I do hope she'll return as it is always useful to have someone to take the opposite view point as a forum in full agreement is just boring. That's why, despite what he may think, I enjoy Frenchie's contributions when he stands his ground ( less so when he resorts to the defensive 'you know nothing I'm ignoring you' approach though).

Like you I find twitter conversations difficult to follow, I've really only given it a go these last couple of days, but as far as I can make out Festinagirl wasn't complaining about sexist comments being made about herself but about Richmond Racer - specifically that it was sexist for some forum members to try to find out what she (RR) looks like.

Those who can make more sense of twitter please correct me if I'm wrong.

Richmond Racer

I'm 76 you know

Jez mon

Macaloon wrote:

ddraver wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Said it before and I'll say it again, if you keep dragging up Geert L as evidence of Sky evilness you're truly clueless.

Would nt have expected you to say that iain, goes to show i'm happy to be proved wrong!

If Iain has his cryptic hat on, this means that there's much stronger evidence of evil available to the clued-up

That's what I thought too...

It would have been nice if micron hadn't made the mistake of making some rubbish up. I started off thinking that perhaps the 140 character limit of twitter had meant I had misread her, unfortunately, she just ended up confirming my rather unflattering opinion of her.

That said, forums are more fun when when people have different opinions.

Pross

rob churchill wrote:

Pross wrote:

I notice on Twitter that she mentions sexist comments being made about her on here. Am I missing something or have posts been deleted as I can't see anything. I do hope she'll return as it is always useful to have someone to take the opposite view point as a forum in full agreement is just boring. That's why, despite what he may think, I enjoy Frenchie's contributions when he stands his ground ( less so when he resorts to the defensive 'you know nothing I'm ignoring you' approach though).

Like you I find twitter conversations difficult to follow, I've really only given it a go these last couple of days, but as far as I can make out Festinagirl wasn't complaining about sexist comments being made about herself but about Richmond Racer - specifically that it was sexist for some forum members to try to find out what she (RR) looks like.

Those who can make more sense of twitter please correct me if I'm wrong.

So she took a clearly joking comment about another person as offensive when the person in question had taken the comment in the spirit it was intended?

dish_dash

Pross wrote:

rob churchill wrote:

Pross wrote:

I notice on Twitter that she mentions sexist comments being made about her on here. Am I missing something or have posts been deleted as I can't see anything. I do hope she'll return as it is always useful to have someone to take the opposite view point as a forum in full agreement is just boring. That's why, despite what he may think, I enjoy Frenchie's contributions when he stands his ground ( less so when he resorts to the defensive 'you know nothing I'm ignoring you' approach though).

Like you I find twitter conversations difficult to follow, I've really only given it a go these last couple of days, but as far as I can make out Festinagirl wasn't complaining about sexist comments being made about herself but about Richmond Racer - specifically that it was sexist for some forum members to try to find out what she (RR) looks like.

Those who can make more sense of twitter please correct me if I'm wrong.

So she took a clearly joking comment about another person as offensive when the person in question had taken the comment in the spirit it was intended?

I found the twitter conversation hard to follow too. But didn't @festinagirl bring up sexism only after @drheadgear (notadoc?) took umbrage and accused her of sexism for refering to RR as Joan of Arc...

ddraver

Richmond Racer wrote:

I'm 76 you know

Phwooooaaaaaarrrrr Sexy!!!!!!

Richmond Racer

Perhaps time for me to say a few words myself?

I dont find this forum particularly sexist. There are a shoot load more environments/hubs/whatever that are really sexist. So Inky makes a crack in a post a couple of hours ago - Above the Crows and I both give him a cyber slap.

I post here because I absolutely love cycling and love discussing all things procycling-related. I'm really not ars*d about following up every time someone posts something that another woman could find sexist, cos generally its meant to be funny and/or not intended to be offensive. To my mind its important to be able to differentiate from the real offensive comments (and then I'll go in swinging).

So sometimes up go pics of podium girls...yeah, well, not my thing and I think the practice is rather outmoded but I'm not going to go on a rant about it.

Frenchie puts up a pic of Eddy Boss looking beefy and I enjoy. It cuts both ways, eh?

I could say something about the distinct lack of Bernie pics though...a severe disappointment. If any of you boys feel you'd like to be nice sometime, a Bernie photo extravaganza would work just fine.

Peace and all that jazz.

rob churchill

ignore. link fail.

Macaloon

Also. Can I recommend the Unfollow button?

People exist who proclaim that the mistakes Sky made initially ("clean team", riders and coaches with 'history', blah blah), and clumsy attempts to smoothly cover-up these mistakes, are equivalent to the high crimes of running a sophisticated doping conspiracy. They appear to be unable (unwilling in some cases) to peel the doping allegations away from the perfectly normal soiled kecks of any organisation. No debate is possible with this group.

Some also have a vested interest in keeping the boil un-lanced (sorry). Hot doping stories generate page-views and Twitter followers. Good news less so. USADA's reasoned decision was a disaster for this group. Calamity would follow if Paul Kimmage were to be born again. These players are expert players of the game and will always feint to avoid a direct hit.

The big surprise to me was the total absence of any suspicious (never mind superhuman) performance to debate. Breathtaking.

ratsbeyfus

Richmond Racer wrote:

Perhaps time for me to say a few words myself?

I dont find this forum particularly sexist. There are a shoot load more environments/hubs/whatever that are really sexist. So Inky makes a crack in a post a couple of hours ago - Above the Crows and I both give him a cyber slap.

I post here because I absolutely love cycling and love discussing all things procycling-related. I'm really not ars*d about following up every time someone posts something that another woman could find sexist, cos generally its meant to be funny and/or not intended to be offensive. To my mind its important to be able to differentiate from the real offensive comments (and then I'll go in swinging).

So sometimes up go pics of podium girls...yeah, well, not my thing and I think the practice is rather outmoded but I'm not going to go on a rant about it.

Frenchie puts up a pic of Eddy Boss looking beefy and I enjoy. It cuts both ways, eh?

I could say something about the distinct lack of Bernie pics though...a severe disappointment. If any of you boys feel you'd like to be nice sometime, a Bernie photo extravaganza would work just fine.

Peace and all that jazz.

Present for you.

Richmond Racer

Fab, ratty!

(though actually the thought of Bernie riding a big bird is really quite off-putting)

mroli

Richmond Racer wrote:

Stuff

Didn't even realise you were a girl. TBH, don't really think about the sex (or for that matter sexuality) of anyone on here.

tailwindhome

Richmond Racer wrote:

Perhaps time for me to say a few words myself?

I dont find this forum particularly sexist. There are a shoot load more environments/hubs/whatever that are really sexist. So Inky makes a crack in a post a couple of hours ago - Above the Crows and I both give him a cyber slap.

I post here because I absolutely love cycling and love discussing all things procycling-related. I'm really not ars*d about following up every time someone posts something that another woman could find sexist, cos generally its meant to be funny and/or not intended to be offensive. To my mind its important to be able to differentiate from the real offensive comments (and then I'll go in swinging).

So sometimes up go pics of podium girls...yeah, well, not my thing and I think the practice is rather outmoded but I'm not going to go on a rant about it.

Frenchie puts up a pic of Eddy Boss looking beefy and I enjoy. It cuts both ways, eh?

I could say something about the distinct lack of Bernie pics though...a severe disappointment. If any of you boys feel you'd like to be nice sometime, a Bernie photo extravaganza would work just fine.

Peace and all that jazz.

Well said pet.

Richmond Racer

mroli wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Stuff

Didn't even realise you were a girl. TBH, don't really think about the sex (or for that matter sexuality) of anyone on here.

Winner winner chicken dinner

Richmond Racer

TailWindHome wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Perhaps time for me to say a few words myself?

I dont find this forum particularly sexist. There are a shoot load more environments/hubs/whatever that are really sexist. So Inky makes a crack in a post a couple of hours ago - Above the Crows and I both give him a cyber slap.

I post here because I absolutely love cycling and love discussing all things procycling-related. I'm really not ars*d about following up every time someone posts something that another woman could find sexist, cos generally its meant to be funny and/or not intended to be offensive. To my mind its important to be able to differentiate from the real offensive comments (and then I'll go in swinging).

So sometimes up go pics of podium girls...yeah, well, not my thing and I think the practice is rather outmoded but I'm not going to go on a rant about it.

Frenchie puts up a pic of Eddy Boss looking beefy and I enjoy. It cuts both ways, eh?

I could say something about the distinct lack of Bernie pics though...a severe disappointment. If any of you boys feel you'd like to be nice sometime, a Bernie photo extravaganza would work just fine.

Peace and all that jazz.

Well said pet.

Cheers ducks

EKIMIKE

Sounds like the perfect web page for your needs: http://fuckyeahbernie.tumblr.com/

Turfle

I knew this soul searching would start after we all watched Oprah.

Richmond Racer

Thanks Eki! I may happen to be aware of such a site...but to be honest, a couple of pics do for me and then I kinda want to get back to discussing whether he can repeat his G-W triumph ever again.

rob churchill

Richmond Racer wrote:

I'm 76 you know

think I've found you.

Richmond Racer

(but appreciative thanks to both mroli and Eki...as for Ratty, I'm only surprised biscuits didnt feature in his pic...as for Rob, he's clearly on one...

Right, so...back to business as usual now chaps?

ratsbeyfus

Yep... night night BR folk...

micron

First apologies for ducking out so abruptly - school run mum day.

Secondly apologies for doing something quite so dumb - unlike me to let frustration get the better of me. Always try to argue the point - whether I agree or not - calmly and rationally. I blew it. I put my hands up to being ridiculous - still, it played to your already low expectations of me so there you go

Funny how I could have put money on ddraver coming & blabbing a confidence - ah, well, tant pis as the French say - was only to be expected. Did enjoy your thoughts on how to reorganise the racing calendar in light of the demise of world series cycling, though. And thanks to the rat on tips for tackling a sticky situation at my kids school - much appreciated.

Perhaps we can now put aside misconceptions on both sides? Willing to find the common ground & the decent arguments if you are

tailwindhome

micron wrote:

Perhaps we can now put aside misconceptions on both sides? Willing to find the common ground & the decent arguments if you are

*Goes to search Google Images for photos of Micron. See is she much to look at

slim_boy_fat

micron wrote:

First apologies for ducking out so abruptly - school run mum day.

Secondly apologies for doing something quite so dumb - unlike me to let frustration get the better of me. Always try to argue the point - whether I agree or not - calmly and rationally. I blew it. I put my hands up to being ridiculous - still, it played to your already low expectations of me so there you go

Funny how I could have put money on ddraver coming & blabbing a confidence - ah, well, tant pis as the French say - was only to be expected. Did enjoy your thoughts on how to reorganise the racing calendar in light of the demise of world series cycling, though. And thanks to the rat on tips for tackling a sticky situation at my kids school - much appreciated.

Perhaps we can now put aside misconceptions on both sides? Willing to find the common ground & the decent arguments if you are

Fair play for popping back and hope you enjoyed the chicken and salad

micron

Delicious thanks, not often I get cooked for

TWH hahahaha that'll be some 'banter' then