Seemingly trivial things that cheer you up

briantrumpet

TheBigBean said:

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

*Cold* water when thirsty. On proper warm days (35C+), however thirsty I am, once the water in the bottles has lost its chill, it doesn't have any effect on my parched/sticky mouth. Even though I know pretty much all the water fountains round here, there are a few stretches where the fountains' water isn't properly cold, and it just doesn't work. Probably better than nothing, but it doesn't convince my body that my thirst has been quenched.

On a similar note, on similar days, a litre of whole-fat milk straight from a supermarket fridge, if I can find one. Delish.

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

*Cold* water when thirsty. On proper warm days (35C+), however thirsty I am, once the water in the bottles has lost its chill, it doesn't have any effect on my parched/sticky mouth. Even though I know pretty much all the water fountains round here, there are a few stretches where the fountains' water isn't properly cold, and it just doesn't work. Probably better than nothing, but it doesn't convince my body that my thirst has been quenched.

On a similar note, on similar days, a litre of whole-fat milk straight from a supermarket fridge, if I can find one. Delish.

Pretty sure all water you drink reaches about 37C pretty soon after ingestion.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

*Cold* water when thirsty. On proper warm days (35C+), however thirsty I am, once the water in the bottles has lost its chill, it doesn't have any effect on my parched/sticky mouth. Even though I know pretty much all the water fountains round here, there are a few stretches where the fountains' water isn't properly cold, and it just doesn't work. Probably better than nothing, but it doesn't convince my body that my thirst has been quenched.

On a similar note, on similar days, a litre of whole-fat milk straight from a supermarket fridge, if I can find one. Delish.

Pretty sure all water you drink reaches about 37C pretty soon after ingestion.

True, so what is it that makes warm water on a hot day so deeply unpleasant and unquenching? It's definitely 'a thing', rarely experienced in south west England, I'll admit...

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

*Cold* water when thirsty. On proper warm days (35C+), however thirsty I am, once the water in the bottles has lost its chill, it doesn't have any effect on my parched/sticky mouth. Even though I know pretty much all the water fountains round here, there are a few stretches where the fountains' water isn't properly cold, and it just doesn't work. Probably better than nothing, but it doesn't convince my body that my thirst has been quenched.

On a similar note, on similar days, a litre of whole-fat milk straight from a supermarket fridge, if I can find one. Delish.

Pretty sure all water you drink reaches about 37C pretty soon after ingestion.

True, so what is it that makes warm water on a hot day so deeply unpleasant and unquenching? It's definitely 'a thing', rarely experienced in south west England, I'll admit...

I'd have thought heat transfer from the body to the water is what makes it quenching. Drinking from a water bottle at above body temperature is one of my most unpleasant cycling experiences.

Pross

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

*Cold* water when thirsty. On proper warm days (35C+), however thirsty I am, once the water in the bottles has lost its chill, it doesn't have any effect on my parched/sticky mouth. Even though I know pretty much all the water fountains round here, there are a few stretches where the fountains' water isn't properly cold, and it just doesn't work. Probably better than nothing, but it doesn't convince my body that my thirst has been quenched.

On a similar note, on similar days, a litre of whole-fat milk straight from a supermarket fridge, if I can find one. Delish.

The cold water from a mountain stream half way up Snowdon on my recent heatwave trail marathon was the best liquid I’ve ever tasted. A close second was from a stream in the Black Mountains about 13 miles into an 18 mile fell race a few years ago, another unexpectedly warm day where I’d emptied my bottles and was starting to dehydrate.

briantrumpet

I'm sure there is a psychological element, but this summer I've really repeatedly noticed exactly the same phenomenon of the dry sticky mouth... I've tried sipping, glugging, every combination, but it won't go away until I've had properly cold water. It's less noticeable if I've still got some lemon syrup in the (warm water) mix, but by that stage in the day, it's normally all gone.

mrb123

Pross said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

*Cold* water when thirsty. On proper warm days (35C+), however thirsty I am, once the water in the bottles has lost its chill, it doesn't have any effect on my parched/sticky mouth. Even though I know pretty much all the water fountains round here, there are a few stretches where the fountains' water isn't properly cold, and it just doesn't work. Probably better than nothing, but it doesn't convince my body that my thirst has been quenched.

On a similar note, on similar days, a litre of whole-fat milk straight from a supermarket fridge, if I can find one. Delish.

The cold water from a mountain stream half way up Snowdon on my recent heatwave trail marathon was the best liquid I’ve ever tasted. A close second was from a stream in the Black Mountains about 13 miles into an 18 mile fell race a few years ago, another unexpectedly warm day where I’d emptied my bottles and was starting to dehydrate.

Get yourself up Braeriach to the Wells of Dee. Crystal clear water bubbling up out of the earth at about 4000 feet.

ddraver

My cousin got married around Lake Como at the start of the month and I "ran" up the nearest big hill and spectacularly ran out of water. I must say the holy water from the tap outside the church ranks pretty high on best drink this year after descending pretty much the whole way with my tongue stuck to the top of my mouth. The beer being the absolute best...

I don't recognise BTs issue though, the short sips of hot water out of my bottles were doing well enough until they ran out.

Stevo_666

This might cheer Rick up
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/24/pensioners-cannot-win-everybodys-solution-us-drop-dead-day/

Quote:
The cost of living crisis is going to affect every household in some way and, as we face up to a potentially apocalyptic winter, tensions are running high.

There is a feeling, in some younger camps, that the burden has unfairly landed on the shoulders of the nation’s youth and that government spending is skewed, favouring the older, Conservative-voting sections of society. Lucy Burton, The Telegraph’s employment editor, recently wrote a piece warning of intergenerational resentment as the gap between the generations is laid bare – young families struggling with unpayable bills, cold homes, bare cupboards and rising tax bills, while pensioners sit out the winter in comfort, protected by unconscionable, triple-locked pensions.

Thousands of you took to our comments section to air your thoughts on the matter and, while many readers expressed sympathy with the young, there was also outrage – outrage that having to endure food rationing, ballooning inflation, power shortages and myriad financial crashes in previous decades should be seen as “having it easy”. Not to mention the decades of fiscal responsibility, careful saving and hard graft that have translated into comfortable retirements. Advice was freely and generously given on how the young might face down economic hardship. Here is what you had to say...

“Most of the current generation of retirees – boomers – worked hard all their lives and put up with hardship in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. We did not have many things taken for granted today like central heating, foreign holidays, mobile phones, car ownership and universal benefits. We didn’t look to blame anyone for life’s shortcomings, and didn’t whinge, like some of the entitled younger generations today.”
@John Dawkins

“Wealthy pensioners have earned their wealth while also paying into the system. Left-wing policies squash ambition and good work ethics. Liz Truss was right – we need to graft more and whinge less, especially the young. And, just for clarity, I am not a wealthy pensioner and I have a son who is currently working his socks off.”
@Stuart Ashen

“The UK state pension is the lowest in Europe. British pensioners have paid via National Insurance over their lifetime to secure their pension rights and have every right to them. As an 82-year-old pensioner, I have lived through 15 years of wartime and post-war food rationing. Years of wage cuts and massive inflation at 20-30 per cent, which have ruined my savings. If the young of today had to suffer the same, then I might feel sorry for them. When we were young, we paid for the pensions of the old and retired. Now it’s for the young to pay for us and shut up complaining.”
@John Bentley

Pross

Jeez, reading some of that I’m beginning to come around to Rick’s point of view. The one bloke even got in ‘lived through 15 years of war and post war rationing’ yet claims to be 82, the war finished 77 years ago so he lived through 5 years of war and experienced rationing as a kid when he wouldn’t have known anything different. The ‘young’ will also be paying NI for their working lives with the difference being they’ll have to wait about another 5 years to see anything back. Fucking whinging coffin dodgers.

pblakeney

Pross said:

Jeez, reading some of that I’m beginning to come around to Rick’s point of view. The one bloke even got in ‘lived through 15 years of war and post war rationing’ yet claims to be 82, the war finished 77 years ago so he lived through 5 years of war and experienced rationing as a kid when he wouldn’t have known anything different. The ‘young’ will also be paying NI for their working lives with the difference being they’ll have to wait about another 5 years to see anything back. censored whinging coffin dodgers.

This was my initial thought too.
Rationing didn't finish until 1954 though so he does have remembered experience.

Stevo_666

A bit more:

Pross said:

Jeez, reading some of that I’m beginning to come around to Rick’s point of view. The one bloke even got in ‘lived through 15 years of war and post war rationing’ yet claims to be 82, the war finished 77 years ago so he lived through 5 years of war and experienced rationing as a kid when he wouldn’t have known anything different. The ‘young’ will also be paying NI for their working lives with the difference being they’ll have to wait about another 5 years to see anything back. censored whinging coffin dodgers.

That wasn't the whole article BTW, do you want me to post some more?

I'm Gen X myself, but I can see that some of the older generation may be getting tired of being vilified by a bunch of young know-it-alls.

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

A bit more:

Pross said:

Jeez, reading some of that I’m beginning to come around to Rick’s point of view. The one bloke even got in ‘lived through 15 years of war and post war rationing’ yet claims to be 82, the war finished 77 years ago so he lived through 5 years of war and experienced rationing as a kid when he wouldn’t have known anything different. The ‘young’ will also be paying NI for their working lives with the difference being they’ll have to wait about another 5 years to see anything back. censored whinging coffin dodgers.

That wasn't the whole article BTW, do you want me to post some more?

I'm Gen X myself, but I can see that some of the older generation may be getting tired of being vilified by a bunch of young know-it-alls.

Meh, I’ve taken Rick to task for his views on this loads of times. I live in a working class area so most pensioners here don’t fall into his stereotype. The fact this was from The Telegraph comments section is self-selecting and falls nicely into the sweet spot of Rick’s perception.

I think a big part of the problem is that generations get used to the improvements in standards so for younger people who haven’t experienced any different something can feel a hardship where an older person probably did without for a large part of their life. Likewise, I don’t think a lot of older people understand some of the pressures younger people face and see them as trivial.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

This might cheer Rick up
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/24/pensioners-cannot-win-everybodys-solution-us-drop-dead-day/

Quote:
The cost of living crisis is going to affect every household in some way and, as we face up to a potentially apocalyptic winter, tensions are running high.

There is a feeling, in some younger camps, that the burden has unfairly landed on the shoulders of the nation’s youth and that government spending is skewed, favouring the older, Conservative-voting sections of society. Lucy Burton, The Telegraph’s employment editor, recently wrote a piece warning of intergenerational resentment as the gap between the generations is laid bare – young families struggling with unpayable bills, cold homes, bare cupboards and rising tax bills, while pensioners sit out the winter in comfort, protected by unconscionable, triple-locked pensions.

Thousands of you took to our comments section to air your thoughts on the matter and, while many readers expressed sympathy with the young, there was also outrage – outrage that having to endure food rationing, ballooning inflation, power shortages and myriad financial crashes in previous decades should be seen as “having it easy”. Not to mention the decades of fiscal responsibility, careful saving and hard graft that have translated into comfortable retirements. Advice was freely and generously given on how the young might face down economic hardship. Here is what you had to say...

“Most of the current generation of retirees – boomers – worked hard all their lives and put up with hardship in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. We did not have many things taken for granted today like central heating, foreign holidays, mobile phones, car ownership and universal benefits. We didn’t look to blame anyone for life’s shortcomings, and didn’t whinge, like some of the entitled younger generations today.”
@John Dawkins

“Wealthy pensioners have earned their wealth while also paying into the system. Left-wing policies squash ambition and good work ethics. Liz Truss was right – we need to graft more and whinge less, especially the young. And, just for clarity, I am not a wealthy pensioner and I have a son who is currently working his socks off.”
@Stuart Ashen

“The UK state pension is the lowest in Europe. British pensioners have paid via National Insurance over their lifetime to secure their pension rights and have every right to them. As an 82-year-old pensioner, I have lived through 15 years of wartime and post-war food rationing. Years of wage cuts and massive inflation at 20-30 per cent, which have ruined my savings. If the young of today had to suffer the same, then I might feel sorry for them. When we were young, we paid for the pensions of the old and retired. Now it’s for the young to pay for us and shut up complaining.”
@John Bentley

John Bentley should accept the fact that he is a benefits scrounger

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

This might cheer Rick up
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/24/pensioners-cannot-win-everybodys-solution-us-drop-dead-day/

Quote:
The cost of living crisis is going to affect every household in some way and, as we face up to a potentially apocalyptic winter, tensions are running high.

There is a feeling, in some younger camps, that the burden has unfairly landed on the shoulders of the nation’s youth and that government spending is skewed, favouring the older, Conservative-voting sections of society. Lucy Burton, The Telegraph’s employment editor, recently wrote a piece warning of intergenerational resentment as the gap between the generations is laid bare – young families struggling with unpayable bills, cold homes, bare cupboards and rising tax bills, while pensioners sit out the winter in comfort, protected by unconscionable, triple-locked pensions.

Thousands of you took to our comments section to air your thoughts on the matter and, while many readers expressed sympathy with the young, there was also outrage – outrage that having to endure food rationing, ballooning inflation, power shortages and myriad financial crashes in previous decades should be seen as “having it easy”. Not to mention the decades of fiscal responsibility, careful saving and hard graft that have translated into comfortable retirements. Advice was freely and generously given on how the young might face down economic hardship. Here is what you had to say...

“Most of the current generation of retirees – boomers – worked hard all their lives and put up with hardship in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. We did not have many things taken for granted today like central heating, foreign holidays, mobile phones, car ownership and universal benefits. We didn’t look to blame anyone for life’s shortcomings, and didn’t whinge, like some of the entitled younger generations today.”
@John Dawkins

“Wealthy pensioners have earned their wealth while also paying into the system. Left-wing policies squash ambition and good work ethics. Liz Truss was right – we need to graft more and whinge less, especially the young. And, just for clarity, I am not a wealthy pensioner and I have a son who is currently working his socks off.”
@Stuart Ashen

“The UK state pension is the lowest in Europe. British pensioners have paid via National Insurance over their lifetime to secure their pension rights and have every right to them. As an 82-year-old pensioner, I have lived through 15 years of wartime and post-war food rationing. Years of wage cuts and massive inflation at 20-30 per cent, which have ruined my savings. If the young of today had to suffer the same, then I might feel sorry for them. When we were young, we paid for the pensions of the old and retired. Now it’s for the young to pay for us and shut up complaining.”
@John Bentley

John Bentley should accept the fact that he is a benefits scrounger

Go tell him then.

Although looking at the comments in that article, you'd be forgiven for thinking some of those oldies had been reading Cake Stop

morstar

I think you’ll find youngster who resent pension payments are a hardcore minority.

It is more the inaccessibility of affordable housing that causes the frustration.

Policy direction in this area only reinforces inaccessibility. A root cause of that policy direction is Boomer votes.

Stevo_666

morstar said:

I think you’ll find youngster who resent pension payments are a hardcore minority.

It is more the inaccessibility of affordable housing that causes the frustration.

Policy direction in this area only reinforces inaccessibility. A root cause of that policy direction is Boomer votes.

Voting Tory? How dare they!

Anyway, looks like this Boomer and house price problem is something of an international issue and not the UK-only problem that some like to claim:-
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/22/europes-population-halve-surging-house-prices-force-couples/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

This might cheer Rick up
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/24/pensioners-cannot-win-everybodys-solution-us-drop-dead-day/

Quote:
The cost of living crisis is going to affect every household in some way and, as we face up to a potentially apocalyptic winter, tensions are running high.

There is a feeling, in some younger camps, that the burden has unfairly landed on the shoulders of the nation’s youth and that government spending is skewed, favouring the older, Conservative-voting sections of society. Lucy Burton, The Telegraph’s employment editor, recently wrote a piece warning of intergenerational resentment as the gap between the generations is laid bare – young families struggling with unpayable bills, cold homes, bare cupboards and rising tax bills, while pensioners sit out the winter in comfort, protected by unconscionable, triple-locked pensions.

Thousands of you took to our comments section to air your thoughts on the matter and, while many readers expressed sympathy with the young, there was also outrage – outrage that having to endure food rationing, ballooning inflation, power shortages and myriad financial crashes in previous decades should be seen as “having it easy”. Not to mention the decades of fiscal responsibility, careful saving and hard graft that have translated into comfortable retirements. Advice was freely and generously given on how the young might face down economic hardship. Here is what you had to say...

“Most of the current generation of retirees – boomers – worked hard all their lives and put up with hardship in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. We did not have many things taken for granted today like central heating, foreign holidays, mobile phones, car ownership and universal benefits. We didn’t look to blame anyone for life’s shortcomings, and didn’t whinge, like some of the entitled younger generations today.”
@John Dawkins

“Wealthy pensioners have earned their wealth while also paying into the system. Left-wing policies squash ambition and good work ethics. Liz Truss was right – we need to graft more and whinge less, especially the young. And, just for clarity, I am not a wealthy pensioner and I have a son who is currently working his socks off.”
@Stuart Ashen

“The UK state pension is the lowest in Europe. British pensioners have paid via National Insurance over their lifetime to secure their pension rights and have every right to them. As an 82-year-old pensioner, I have lived through 15 years of wartime and post-war food rationing. Years of wage cuts and massive inflation at 20-30 per cent, which have ruined my savings. If the young of today had to suffer the same, then I might feel sorry for them. When we were young, we paid for the pensions of the old and retired. Now it’s for the young to pay for us and shut up complaining.”
@John Bentley

John Bentley should accept the fact that he is a benefits scrounger

Go tell him then.

Although looking at the comments in that article, you'd be forgiven for thinking some of those oldies had been reading Cake Stop

PM me his contact details and I will happily point out the inadequacy of his contributions

surrey_commuter

morstar said:

I think you’ll find youngster who resent pension payments are a hardcore minority.

It is more the inaccessibility of affordable housing that causes the frustration.

Policy direction in this area only reinforces inaccessibility. A root cause of that policy direction is Boomer votes.

anecdotally I would say that the closer you to retirement the less you resent pension payments

rick_chasey

I don’t resent the pension payments - who would?

I resent austerity that lands just on working age people, and policies that advantage the retired *at the expense of* those of working age.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

This might cheer Rick up
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/24/pensioners-cannot-win-everybodys-solution-us-drop-dead-day/

Quote:
The cost of living crisis is going to affect every household in some way and, as we face up to a potentially apocalyptic winter, tensions are running high.

There is a feeling, in some younger camps, that the burden has unfairly landed on the shoulders of the nation’s youth and that government spending is skewed, favouring the older, Conservative-voting sections of society. Lucy Burton, The Telegraph’s employment editor, recently wrote a piece warning of intergenerational resentment as the gap between the generations is laid bare – young families struggling with unpayable bills, cold homes, bare cupboards and rising tax bills, while pensioners sit out the winter in comfort, protected by unconscionable, triple-locked pensions.

Thousands of you took to our comments section to air your thoughts on the matter and, while many readers expressed sympathy with the young, there was also outrage – outrage that having to endure food rationing, ballooning inflation, power shortages and myriad financial crashes in previous decades should be seen as “having it easy”. Not to mention the decades of fiscal responsibility, careful saving and hard graft that have translated into comfortable retirements. Advice was freely and generously given on how the young might face down economic hardship. Here is what you had to say...

“Most of the current generation of retirees – boomers – worked hard all their lives and put up with hardship in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. We did not have many things taken for granted today like central heating, foreign holidays, mobile phones, car ownership and universal benefits. We didn’t look to blame anyone for life’s shortcomings, and didn’t whinge, like some of the entitled younger generations today.”
@John Dawkins

“Wealthy pensioners have earned their wealth while also paying into the system. Left-wing policies squash ambition and good work ethics. Liz Truss was right – we need to graft more and whinge less, especially the young. And, just for clarity, I am not a wealthy pensioner and I have a son who is currently working his socks off.”
@Stuart Ashen

“The UK state pension is the lowest in Europe. British pensioners have paid via National Insurance over their lifetime to secure their pension rights and have every right to them. As an 82-year-old pensioner, I have lived through 15 years of wartime and post-war food rationing. Years of wage cuts and massive inflation at 20-30 per cent, which have ruined my savings. If the young of today had to suffer the same, then I might feel sorry for them. When we were young, we paid for the pensions of the old and retired. Now it’s for the young to pay for us and shut up complaining.”
@John Bentley

John Bentley should accept the fact that he is a benefits scrounger

Go tell him then.

Although looking at the comments in that article, you'd be forgiven for thinking some of those oldies had been reading Cake Stop

PM me his contact details and I will happily point out the inadequacy of his contributions

Here you go:
John.bentley@angryoldfartsubsidisedbyrick.brexitvoter

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

I don’t resent the pension payments - who would?

I resent austerity that lands just on working age people, and policies that advantage the retired *at the expense of* those of working age.

Do those of working age not expect to be one of those bloody retirees one day?
Or realise that these bloody retirees were once young, working and supporting retirees?
Seems a short sighted view.

Stevo_666

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

I don’t resent the pension payments - who would?

I resent austerity that lands just on working age people, and policies that advantage the retired *at the expense of* those of working age.

Do those of working age not expect to be one of those bloody retirees one day?
Or realise that these bloody retirees were once young, working and supporting retirees?
Seems a short sighted view.

Also worth pointing out that the UK has one of the lowest state pensions in the OECD (as mentioned by one of the retirees in the article I linked above).
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00290/SN00290.pdf
Maybe Rick should be moaning about those continental boomers instead?

secretsqirrel

Problem is the pensioners that are out and about enjoying themselves are the most visible and affluent. The ones hidden from view confined to care homes or living alone in poor conditions are just forgotten. Not sure the hardship divide is as well defined as it appears. It just a shame that generational friction is being stoked up as much as it is.
Polarisation is the name of the game tho’. Its like every cyclist v car argument, the people who ride and drive are not that interesting.

Sorry its not trivial and it doesn’t cheer me up….sniff…

veronese68

The young are lazy, if they'd got off their arses and been born earlier they'd be laughing now. They only have themselves to blame

Pross

veronese68 said:

The young are lazy, if they'd got off their arses and been born earlier they'd be laughing now. They only have themselves to blame

I blame the parents.

surrey_commuter

veronese68 said:

The young are lazy, if they'd got off their arses and been born earlier they'd be laughing now. They only have themselves to blame

obviously they would want to avoid the war and it's aftermath and then the '70s and '80s were all a bit sh1t so I am going to suggest the optimum would be to graduate in 1995 so born in 1974.

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

veronese68 said:

The young are lazy, if they'd got off their arses and been born earlier they'd be laughing now. They only have themselves to blame

obviously they would want to avoid the war and it's aftermath and then the '70s and '80s were all a bit censored so I am going to suggest the optimum would be to graduate in 1995 so born in 1974.

Hpw many years of hippy trailing are you assuming?

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

veronese68 said:

The young are lazy, if they'd got off their arses and been born earlier they'd be laughing now. They only have themselves to blame

obviously they would want to avoid the war and it's aftermath and then the '70s and '80s were all a bit censored so I am going to suggest the optimum would be to graduate in 1995 so born in 1974.

Hpw many years of hippy trailing are you assuming?

none - in the 90's gap years, avocado and decent coffee did not exist.

Next time they are whining they should be made to eat tinned fruit

pblakeney

Tinned fruit and evaporated milk still cheer me up.