Seemingly trivial things that cheer you up

skyblueamateur

verylonglegs said:

Wenger was the equivalent of a rogue tradesmen regarding his building work for at least several years at the end.

😂

I’m not expecting my son to be a mansion I just want him to be happy and enjoy kicking a ball about with his mates.

mrb123

Boring old Pidcock back on the MTB and heading for another gold medal it seems...

focuszing723

Compared to the TDF and Alpe d'Huez this must seem like a quick nip down the shops, to pick up some Pollock.

mrb123

focuszing723 said:

Compared to the TDF and Alpe d'Huez this must seem like a quick nip down the shops, to pick up some Pollock.

Seems a very tame course, mostly manageable on a cross bike I would think.

focuszing723

It's still damn impressive, Pidcock on his jack, and a group of 10 odd lagging behind the greatness.

focuszing723

God, at the end he looked like he just nipped down the shops too.

Pross

skyblueamateur said:

verylonglegs said:

Wenger was the equivalent of a rogue tradesmen regarding his building work for at least several years at the end.

😂

I’m not expecting my son to be a mansion I just want him to be happy and enjoy kicking a ball about with his mates.

Unfortunately there are far too many parents that don’t take this attitude and prefer to live out their own perceived missed opportunities vicariously. Not just in sport either, you see it with performing arts too.

pinno

focuszing723 said:

I'm not sure about the house analogy. That bloke on Grand Designs built a house on the edge of a cliff...

Not 10 miles form me.

pinno

I have a friend who is a direct relative of the ex Man U player Darren Fletcher. He is a football coach and had the privilege of attending some coaching sessions at Barcelona - 8 to 12 years old.
They rarely play matches, if they do, it's a quick 5 a side.
Psychologically, kids below 12/13 years of age have very little concept of team. At Barca, the main emphasis for the younger players is technical skills and he said 'a lot of fun'. They apply little or no pressure at that age. Indeed, the ability to play in a team and win games as part of a collective, isn't expected until 15+.
We still place too much emphasis on 'team' and 11 a side from far too early.
I truly believe that the technical skills kids are developing in the UK is due to the presence of foreign coaching staff and managers and that's why the England squad has improved.

I coached table tennis for almost 10 years. 8 to 11 year olds with no previous experience but some talent (and that's mainly natural balance and determination), would develop technical skills far quicker than fitter, more intelligent 13 year old or upwards. Strokes would become 'natural' and instinctive amazingly quickly.
If they came to me from 14 to 18 with no experience; glass ceilings. Fast development but it tailed off very quickly.

@skyblueamateur : I hope he changes his mind. Pressure is part of any sport and it is either relished or causes apprehension. I wonder if your son is apprehensive or does he not fully comprehend that he has a talent and the chance of a life as a professional sportsperson is not something to be dismissive about? Is he too young to fully comprehend it?

Being short hasn't stopped Messi being what he is. There are many top level pro's who aren't tall. Raheem Sterling. Sakho, G Jesus etc etc

rick_chasey

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

rick_chasey

pinno said:

I have a friend who is a direct relative of the ex Man U player Darren Fletcher. He is a football coach and had the privilege of attending some coaching sessions at Barcelona - 8 to 12 years old.
They rarely play matches, if they do, it's a quick 5 a side.
Psychologically, kids below 12/13 years of age have very little concept of team. At Barca, the main emphasis for the younger players is technical skills and he said 'a lot of fun'. They apply little or no pressure at that age. Indeed, the ability to play in a team and win games as part of a collective, isn't expected until 15+.
We still place too much emphasis on 'team' and 11 a side from far too early.
I truly believe that the technical skills kids are developing in the UK is due to the presence of foreign coaching staff and managers and that's why the England squad has improved.

I coached table tennis for almost 10 years. 8 to 11 year olds with no previous experience but some talent (and that's mainly natural balance and determination), would develop technical skills far quicker than fitter, more intelligent 13 year old or upwards. Strokes would become 'natural' and instinctive amazingly quickly.
If they came to me from 14 to 18 with no experience; glass ceilings. Fast development but it tailed off very quickly.

@skyblueamateur : I hope he changes his mind. Pressure is part of any sport and it is either relished or causes apprehension. I wonder if your son is apprehensive or does he not fully comprehend that he has a talent and the chance of a life as a professional sportsperson is not something to be dismissive about? Is he too young to fully comprehend it?

Being short hasn't stopped Messi being what he is. There are many top level pro's who aren't tall. Raheem Sterling. Sakho, G Jesus etc etc

If you’ve ever experienced toddler stuff in different countries, its remarkable how obsessed the Brits are with sharing versus others.

(Same vibe)

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

I was so surprised at that I Googled to check my memory as him being a bit part player with a good engine.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2003–2015 Manchester United 223 (18)
2015–2017 West Bromwich Albion 91 (4)
2017–2019 Stoke City 38 (2)
Total 352 (24)

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

I was so surprised at that I Googled to check my memory as him being a bit part player with a good engine.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2003–2015 Manchester United 223 (18)
2015–2017 West Bromwich Albion 91 (4)
2017–2019 Stoke City 38 (2)
Total 352 (24)

Main starter in one of Man Utd’s best ever teams, can’t be that average.

pinno

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

I was so surprised at that I Googled to check my memory as him being a bit part player with a good engine.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2003–2015 Manchester United 223 (18)
2015–2017 West Bromwich Albion 91 (4)
2017–2019 Stoke City 38 (2)
Total 352 (24)

Main starter in one of Man Utd’s best ever teams, can’t be that average.

223 appearances for Man U is more than Ruud van Nistelhorse.

rick_chasey

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

I was so surprised at that I Googled to check my memory as him being a bit part player with a good engine.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2003–2015 Manchester United 223 (18)
2015–2017 West Bromwich Albion 91 (4)
2017–2019 Stoke City 38 (2)
Total 352 (24)

Main starter in one of Man Utd’s best ever teams, can’t be that average.

223 appearances for Man U is more than Ruud van Nistelhorse.

Couple champions league finals too I believe?

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

I was so surprised at that I Googled to check my memory as him being a bit part player with a good engine.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2003–2015 Manchester United 223 (18)
2015–2017 West Bromwich Albion 91 (4)
2017–2019 Stoke City 38 (2)
Total 352 (24)

Main starter in one of Man Utd’s best ever teams, can’t be that average.

223 appearances for Man U is more than Ruud van Nistelhorse.

Couple champions league finals too I believe?

unused sub on both occasions

he averaged under 20 games per season which makes him a bit part player

surrey_commuter

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Darren Fletcher, underrated player

I was so surprised at that I Googled to check my memory as him being a bit part player with a good engine.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2003–2015 Manchester United 223 (18)
2015–2017 West Bromwich Albion 91 (4)
2017–2019 Stoke City 38 (2)
Total 352 (24)

Main starter in one of Man Utd’s best ever teams, can’t be that average.

223 appearances for Man U is more than Ruud van Nistelhorse.

one took 12 years and the other did his 150 in 5 years

pblakeney

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

all irrelevant to the discussion of whether he was an "under rated player"

My example of an under rated player would be Dennis Irwin

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

all irrelevant to the discussion of whether he was an "under rated player"

My example of an under rated player would be Dennis Irwin

Depends on how you rate a player. Ability or stats?
It is possible for a player to have excellent ability but only last a few seasons due to injury.

Yes, Irwin was under rated. All efficient unflashy players who don't score much are.

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

all irrelevant to the discussion of whether he was an "under rated player"

My example of an under rated player would be Dennis Irwin

Rosicky would be my underrated player, but then he was highly rated by some including me, so the term is a bit ambiguous.

He cheered me up.

TheBigBean

On topic. Water when thirsty.

Meeting my new sister in law.

briantrumpet

My garden this morning, looking greener after last week's rain, and tidier after a quick trim.

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

all irrelevant to the discussion of whether he was an "under rated player"

My example of an under rated player would be Dennis Irwin

Depends on how you rate a player. Ability or stats?
It is possible for a player to have excellent ability but only last a few seasons due to injury.

Yes, Irwin was under rated. All efficient unflashy players who don't score much are.

I think consistently being on the pitch for 90 minutes is an under rated attribute in footballers.

Players who never fulfilled their potential due to injury or ill-health is a whole new category and one that I will kick off with Jack Wilshire

morstar

briantrumpet said:

My garden this morning, looking greener after last week's rain, and tidier after a quick trim.

Those mean streets!

pinno

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

all irrelevant to the discussion of whether he was an "under rated player"

My example of an under rated player would be Dennis Irwin

Depends on how you rate a player. Ability or stats?
It is possible for a player to have excellent ability but only last a few seasons due to injury.

Yes, Irwin was under rated. All efficient unflashy players who don't score much are.

I think consistently being on the pitch for 90 minutes is an under rated attribute in footballers.

Players who never fulfilled their potential due to injury or ill-health is a whole new category and one that I will kick off with Jack Wilshire

Daniel Sturridge, Van Persie...

pblakeney

ES Player.
Had to drop out with 9 kms to go. Went to catch up and it went straight to where I left off.

surrey_commuter

pinno said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Tbf he did succumb to ulcerative colitis in 2011 so only had 8 "good" years including those as a youngster.

all irrelevant to the discussion of whether he was an "under rated player"

My example of an under rated player would be Dennis Irwin

Depends on how you rate a player. Ability or stats?
It is possible for a player to have excellent ability but only last a few seasons due to injury.

Yes, Irwin was under rated. All efficient unflashy players who don't score much are.

I think consistently being on the pitch for 90 minutes is an under rated attribute in footballers.

Players who never fulfilled their potential due to injury or ill-health is a whole new category and one that I will kick off with Jack Wilshire

Daniel Sturridge, Van Persie...

Not sure how good Sturridge could have been but I am amazed at how little he played. He makes Michael Owen and Andy Carroll look like they were ever present

Pross

Rob Jones, loads of talent that never had the chance to be fulfilled. Then there's everyone's favourite sick note Darren Anderton.

focuszing723

How can talking about football cheer you up?