Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Strava telling me my hill reps session is lighter than my usual effort. (Typically a zone 2 pootle).

    It may be less distance but it sure as heck isn’t a lighter effort.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Maybe you're getting fitter?
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Surface dressing on our street.
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  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,777
    When you read in the press a statement "...will continue to work with local stakeholders and partners regarding .....blah blah blah"
    Really gets my fecking goat as it's buck-passing and removing accountability at the highest level.


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    The inevitability of leaving doors / windows open for ventilation and cooling meaning the bluebottles always buzz in.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,279
    orraloon said:

    The inevitability of leaving doors / windows open for ventilation and cooling meaning the bluebottles always buzz in.


    You could be more continental by opening everything up at night to cool the place down, then shutting everything by day.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,291
    briantrumpet said:

    orraloon said:

    The inevitability of leaving doors / windows open for ventilation and cooling meaning the bluebottles always buzz in.


    You could be more continental by opening everything up at night to cool the place down, then shutting everything by day.
    In Scotland? With midges?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,283
    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    orraloon said:

    The inevitability of leaving doors / windows open for ventilation and cooling meaning the bluebottles always buzz in.


    You could be more continental by opening everything up at night to cool the place down, then shutting everything by day.
    In Scotland? With midges?
    As long as you don't leave any lights on, you'll be fine.
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  • wavefront
    wavefront Posts: 397
    pinno said:

    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    orraloon said:

    The inevitability of leaving doors / windows open for ventilation and cooling meaning the bluebottles always buzz in.


    You could be more continental by opening everything up at night to cool the place down, then shutting everything by day.
    In Scotland? With midges?
    As long as you don't leave any lights on, you'll be fine.
    ‘Fraid we tried that too…. Everything still seems to get in. We installed pull down fine mesh blinds. Windows open, next to nothing gets in except the breeze. Perfect for Scotland.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    The Titan sub.

    Seems a bit naughty really. It’s obviously quite extreme engineering for that environment but it isn’t anywhere near the limits of what has already been engineered for much deeper waters.

    Seems like it has fundamentally failed in the one foreseeable failure risk that it should have been totally over engineered for.

    I’m sure lawsuits will be forthcoming.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    morstar said:

    The Titan sub.

    Seems a bit naughty really. It’s obviously quite extreme engineering for that environment but it isn’t anywhere near the limits of what has already been engineered for much deeper waters.

    Seems like it has fundamentally failed in the one foreseeable failure risk that it should have been totally over engineered for.

    I’m sure lawsuits will be forthcoming.

    I'm intrigued why it apparently imploded and settled right below where it was last known to be, people heard the implosion and suspected that's what happened, but it took 4 days to confirm.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    morstar said:

    The Titan sub.

    Seems a bit naughty really. It’s obviously quite extreme engineering for that environment but it isn’t anywhere near the limits of what has already been engineered for much deeper waters.

    Seems like it has fundamentally failed in the one foreseeable failure risk that it should have been totally over engineered for.

    I’m sure lawsuits will be forthcoming.

    The founder is at the bottom of teh ocean and I doubt a company that makes subs out of scaffolding poles and games consoles has any money.

    Better to recognise your relative was a reckless fool and move on.

    The most baffling thing about the whole story is why was a billionaire living in Surbiton?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,135
    pangolin said:

    morstar said:

    The Titan sub.

    Seems a bit naughty really. It’s obviously quite extreme engineering for that environment but it isn’t anywhere near the limits of what has already been engineered for much deeper waters.

    Seems like it has fundamentally failed in the one foreseeable failure risk that it should have been totally over engineered for.

    I’m sure lawsuits will be forthcoming.

    I'm intrigued why it apparently imploded and settled right below where it was last known to be, people heard the implosion and suspected that's what happened, but it took 4 days to confirm.
    It took this long to get a robotic sub to the site. So they may as well have looked elsewhere in the meantime.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    The Titan sub.

    Seems a bit naughty really. It’s obviously quite extreme engineering for that environment but it isn’t anywhere near the limits of what has already been engineered for much deeper waters.

    Seems like it has fundamentally failed in the one foreseeable failure risk that it should have been totally over engineered for.

    I’m sure lawsuits will be forthcoming.

    The founder is at the bottom of teh ocean and I doubt a company that makes subs out of scaffolding poles and games consoles has any money.

    Better to recognise your relative was a reckless fool and move on.

    The most baffling thing about the whole story is why was a billionaire living in Surbiton?
    I reckon it is a sign of having too much money when you're prepared to blow it going on a trip on untested technology whether that's going into space or the bottom of the ocean. I guess it has always been the case to some extent with those with more money than they'll ever need pioneering things like flight, going for speed records or taking part in dangerous expeditions but as you say this one feels particularly reckless.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,135
    Interesting article on this. And interesting court records from engineering manager fired for raising concerns.

    The issue is it is a carbon fibre hull mated to a titanium structure, and they didn't do any ndt on the hull. Owners said not possible, but clearly it is done routinely in aerospace so that's nonsense.

    They also wouldn't pay extra to get a 4000m certified porthole or to get the sub certified in any way.

    There will be a massive lawsuit about all of this, I guarantee it.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,135
    Oh carbon fibre isn't normally used. And in destructive tests of earlier prototypes, they saw delamination and voids.
  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 678
    What was the point of the disclaimer they all apparently signed then? Earlier, surviving passengers said it mentioned death 3 times on the first page...
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,279
    Munsford0 said:

    What was the point of the disclaimer they all apparently signed then? Earlier, surviving passengers said it mentioned death 3 times on the first page...


    They probably thought that that would save them from litigation if someone died. I suspect they are going to find out otherwise.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,279
    First.Aspect said:

    Oh carbon fibre isn't normally used. And in destructive tests of earlier prototypes, they saw delamination and voids.


    I don't think they'll need someone like Feynman to get to the bottom of this, and it's only private company rather than a government organisation with lots of subcontractors who will be in the crosswires.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,135
    briantrumpet said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Oh carbon fibre isn't normally used. And in destructive tests of earlier prototypes, they saw delamination and voids.


    I don't think they'll need someone like Feynman to get to the bottom of this, and it's only private company rather than a government organisation with lots of subcontractors who will be in the crosswires.
    I don't think there will be many subcontractors on the hook, if any. It looks to be pretty clear where the fault lies.

    Question will be whether the waivers get them off the hook. Doubt it. Not many paying customers pay to die.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,279
    First.Aspect said:

    briantrumpet said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Oh carbon fibre isn't normally used. And in destructive tests of earlier prototypes, they saw delamination and voids.


    I don't think they'll need someone like Feynman to get to the bottom of this, and it's only private company rather than a government organisation with lots of subcontractors who will be in the crosswires.
    I don't think there will be many subcontractors on the hook, if any. It looks to be pretty clear where the fault lies.

    Question will be whether the waivers get them off the hook. Doubt it. Not many paying customers pay to die.

    Quite so. I suppose that having only five passengers reduces the number of people who might sue (especially as one of them was part of the business), but maybe insurers will want to take them to the cleaners, even if individuals are too traumatised. I'd suspect that the father/son family is the most likely to want to seek suitable compensation, especially given the son's reluctance.

    I'm not quite sure why I'm using up pixels and brain cells on this, as I don't really care too much, in comparison with all the greater tragedies going on around the world with far more vulnerable people who don't have a choice.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,100
    Imagine how much it would have cost to see it in a vessel that wasn't built from a few leftovers in someone's shed.

  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Waivers won’t exclude negligence.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    No waiver is going to protect from negligence, I guess an element of how it would be apportioned will come down to how clear the risks were e.g. were they told the sub wasn't certified for what they were doing (if that was the case) yet still chose to take the risk .
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,135
    Pross said:

    No waiver is going to protect from negligence, I guess an element of how it would be apportioned will come down to how clear the risks were e.g. were they told the sub wasn't certified for what they were doing (if that was the case) yet still chose to take the risk .

    They were told it was experimental and not certified. But on the other hand the company put out press releases saying it would exceed those certification standards.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,878
    OceanGate website is down and I suspect they won't be selling any more trips.

    There is no concept of corporate manslaughter in the US, so I'd imagine a legal case would need to find a way to sue some of the people personally.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,878
    This what the website used to look like

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230607162701/https://oceangate.com/
  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 678
    "I don't really care too much, in comparison with all the greater tragedies going on around the world with far more vulnerable people who don't have a choice"

    Wife and I were saying the same thing. Morbid fascination with the unfolding tragedy but hard to feel sympathy for them
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    First.Aspect said:

    Oh carbon fibre isn't normally used. And in destructive tests of earlier prototypes, they saw delamination and voids.

    Isn't is as well that at that pressure, even the smallest defect can cause an implosion?

    There was some mythbusters video a while back where they tried to implode an empty oil carraige on a train.

    It didn't work until after they dropped something heavy on it which put a small dent in it.

    Then, sure enough it flattened.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,100
    What could I charge for trips to go see the sub?

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