Drugs in other sports and the media.
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It's just TV. They tend towards hyperbole, particularly in the heat of the moment.Me too maan
However - both sets of BBC commentators have implied that by winning he has "saved his sport". Does anyone else feel rather troubled by that attitude? Bolt may be an exceptional talent however his victory in a single event doesn't undo all the cheating in the others...Twitter: @RichN950 -
It's just TV. They tend towards hyperbole, particularly in the heat of the moment.Me too maan
However - both sets of BBC commentators have implied that by winning he has "saved his sport". Does anyone else feel rather troubled by that attitude? Bolt may be an exceptional talent however his victory in a single event doesn't undo all the cheating in the others...
And they would have sacked Cram for saying what he clearly wanted to which was "Bolt beats the fugging Cheating @#**! Yes - fug off you cheating #@*&!"
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Seriously though - Bolt may have done more damage than good. A clear cheat winning the mens 100 might have concentrated the mind and caused a change.0 -
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Who says that hasn't happened?
The fact that at present Bolt hasn't provided any positive samples. I am a believer in strong - verging on the draconian - punishments; but only once someone has been shown, through correct procedures, to have broken the rules. If we condemn everyone who is extraordinary as surely a cheat - then let's not bother with sport at all. If we rely on the arbitrary justice of guesswork, innuendo, and guilt-by-association we become the clinic. There is no doubt athletics needs to get with the testing programme and to put clean perfromances at the top of its priorities - but it is unfair to tar all exceptional performers with the same brush as the drugs cheats
Although - I realise you might be refering to older championships - Carl Lewis was dodgy through his own admission, Ben J of course...0 -
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Who says that hasn't happened?
The fact that at present Bolt hasn't provided any positive samples. I am a believer in strong - verging on the draconian - punishments; but only once someone has been shown, through correct procedures, to have broken the rules. If we condemn everyone who is extraordinary as surely a cheat - then let's not bother with sport at all. If we rely on the arbitrary justice of guesswork, innuendo, and guilt-by-association we become the clinic. There is no doubt athletics needs to get with the testing programme and to put clean perfromances at the top of its priorities - but it is unfair to tar all exceptional performers with the same brush as the drugs cheats
Although - I realise you might be refering to older championships - Carl Lewis was dodgy through his own admission, Ben J of course...
A Bolt positive would be hugely damaging for athletics. It'll never happen.
Read into that what you want.
And Carl Lewis wasn't dodgy through his own admission, Carl Lewis was dodgy and had several positives covered up by US Athletics. And no doubt, others.0 -
Neither has Gatlin post ban, so if he won he'd be clean to, by your assessment.
He means Gatlin is a proven cheat, twice - so regardless of whether he's clean or not now, he shouldn't have the opportunity to compete ever again.0 -
It's just TV. They tend towards hyperbole, particularly in the heat of the moment.Me too maan
However - both sets of BBC commentators have implied that by winning he has "saved his sport". Does anyone else feel rather troubled by that attitude? Bolt may be an exceptional talent however his victory in a single event doesn't undo all the cheating in the others...
Weeelllll, shirking work by looking at the headlines this morning suggests that a number of UK papers are making similar claims...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I think people are expecting too much from the commentators. Take good old Phil, 'm sure he knew from the inside that LA had taken EPO etc but he still came out with his "I looked Lance in the eye" line. If he came out with what he really knew he could end up losing his job.
Same with football I was watching MOTD and there are ex players on there who know full well they are watching a player dive and pretend to be hurt but not exposing it.
Really hope Bolt is clean but based on where he is from I have my doubts, which I think says a lot about where major sports are at the moment. We should be able to watch and enjoy these sports for what they are rather than wonder if the performance is real0 -
Is it Hyperbole though Rick?
Or is it actually people wanting believe that it's true...?
The majority of the population think that if you pass tests you must be clean, if indeed they ever think about it. You regularly see posts on facebook etc along the lines of 'drug test him then to see if he's clean' as if it never happens, and without the faintest idea about anything.
The reality is obviously somewhat different.0 -
I think people are expecting too much from the commentators.
Why do commentators get such an easy ride?
They're not amateurs. They're paid to do this. They have a surprisingly big impact on the viewing experience.0 -
Depressing to see 5 of the 9 in that final have all been busted for doping in the past.
Got to start seeing life bans.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
Just watching women's 100m semis... commentator saying one after another has just returned from a drugs ban. What a farce.“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
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Depressing to see 5 of the 9 in that final have all been busted for doping in the past.
Got to start seeing life bans.
I'd be all for it. But thanks to the proportionality legal angle, the only way I can see it happening - and it would have to be via a change to the WADA Code - is if strong enough evidence can be pulled together to support the view that drugs have performance benefits that last beyond the suspension period.
Might happen.0 -
Are athletes who are serving a ban still in the testing pool? If not they can presumably dope all they want during the period of the ban and therefore train harder than they'd otherwise be able to and come back strong even if they do stop shortly before they return.0
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Are athletes who are serving a ban still in the testing pool? If not they can presumably dope all they want during the period of the ban and therefore train harder than they'd otherwise be able to and come back strong even if they do stop shortly before they return.
I thought you had to have a certain amount of time being tested before you can come back.
Otherwise, athletes would just retire at the end of every champ and announce a sudden return the day before.0 -
As noted life bans from the sport are legally diffcult due to retraint of trade etc etc.
However, I don't see why the IAAF can't have a rule that says people can't do the World Champs if theyve been banned - doesn't stop people competing elsewhere, just not in the showcase event. Similar to RCS requesting CCC didn't take Rebellin to the Giro, they (IAAF) could instruct member Feds not to select previously banned athletes.
Mind you Russia might struggle to field a team.....0 -
As noted life bans from the sport are legally diffcult due to retraint of trade etc etc.
However, I don't see why the IAAF can't have a rule that says people can't do the World Champs if theyve been banned - doesn't stop people competing elsewhere, just not in the showcase event. Similar to RCS requesting CCC didn't take Rebellin to the Giro, they (IAAF) could instruct member Feds not to select previously banned athletes.
Mind you Russia might struggle to field a team.....
And that would surely lead to the same place as things ended up with the LaShawn Merritt and BOA cases with CAS over the Olympic selection ban positions i.e. judged to be double-jeopardy.
Gotta remember that with the RCS, the Giro and Rebellin: the RCS isn't the sports governing body, they're a race organiser handing out wildcards to whomever they see fit...a sports governing body have to be much more judicious about what they do and dont do0 -
Is it Hyperbole though Rick?
Or is it actually people wanting believe that it's true...?
The majority of the population think that if you pass tests you must be clean, if indeed they ever think about it. You regularly see posts on facebook etc along the lines of 'drug test him then to see if he's clean' as if it never happens, and without the faintest idea about anything.
The reality is obviously somewhat different.
To be honest until I started following cycling I would have been the same. Even then it took me years to actually see what was going on0 -
I've been going on about Richard Moore's The Bolt Supremacy on Twatter
Its bloody good. Recommended.
http://www.the42.ie/richard-moore-the-bolt-supremacy-2287342-Aug2015/?utm_source=shortlink0 -
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does anyone know what really happened with Gatlin and his drug bans. The BBC keep reporting that first ban was for a medical supplement that just happened to give him a performance boost. Was this another case of the convenient bout of Asthma ?0
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does anyone know what really happened with Gatlin and his drug bans. The BBC keep reporting that first ban was for a medical supplement that just happened to give him a performance boost. Was this another case of the convenient bout of Asthma ?
His defence was that it was unintentional intake via treatment for ADD0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688333#p19688333]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:does anyone know what really happened with Gatlin and his drug bans. The BBC keep reporting that first ban was for a medical supplement that just happened to give him a performance boost. Was this another case of the convenient bout of Asthma ?
His defence was that it was unintentional intake via treatment for ADD
Funny that whilst he apparently had ADD at 21 yrs old, he's fine now (or at least never mentions it).0 -
wonder if they did the research after and then found out what legitimate medicine it is also used for0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688333#p19688333]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:does anyone know what really happened with Gatlin and his drug bans. The BBC keep reporting that first ban was for a medical supplement that just happened to give him a performance boost. Was this another case of the convenient bout of Asthma ?
His defence was that it was unintentional intake via treatment for ADD
Funny that whilst he apparently had ADD at 21 yrs old, he's fine now (or at least never mentions it).
Yeah, thats cos his attention span aint great...
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Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.0 -
Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.
quite... looks a bit funny, burn the witch!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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