Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Thanks to Coelsim for that suggestion.What about Francesco Coeconi?0 -
What about Francesco Coeconi?
Coecoeni, surely?
@shraap | My Men 2016: G, Yogi, Cav, Boonen, Degenkolb, Martin, J-Rod, Kudus, Chaves0 -
What about Francesco Coeconi?
Coecoeni, surely?
You mean Francescoe Coecoeni ?0 -
What about Francesco Coeconi?
Coecoeni, surely?
You mean Francescoe Coecoeni ?
Francoescoe Coeconi actually0 -
What about Francesco Coeconi?
Coecoeni, surely?
You mean Francescoe Coecoeni ?
Francoescoe Coeconi actually
Fransebcoe Coecoeni@shraap | My Men 2016: G, Yogi, Cav, Boonen, Degenkolb, Martin, J-Rod, Kudus, Chaves0 -
Can we stick to the topic please, instead of taking it in silly New(bold) directions?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Can we stick to the topic please, instead of taking it in silly New(bold) directions?
Oky Coeky0 -
There's just no Sebstitute for a good pun.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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I should coecoeniSalsiccia1 wrote:There's just no Sebstitute for a good pun.0 -
Amazing how quiet Ross Tucker has been on the performance of his fellow South African Wayde van Niekerk in winning the 400m at the Worlds. 1.6s improvement in two years at age 23 to match the time of dopers.
And he's been so noisy on other performances.
Mind you, the Irish Twitteratti also lost their selective voice ...0 -
Kimmage is still been banging on about it. He wrote a piece about how disgraceful it was for the BBC to point out Gatlin's doping all the time and ask his questions about it. Gatlin was quite right to boycott talking to them it seems. Apparently they should have gone on about Linford Christie instead.Amazing how quiet Ross Tucker has been on the performance of his fellow South African Wayde van Niekerk in winning the 400m at the Worlds. 1.6s improvement in two years at age 23 to match the time of dopers.
And he's been so noisy on other performances.
Mind you, the Irish Twitteratti also lost their selective voice ...Twitter: @RichN950 -
Michael Rogers received this week the bronze medal for his third place in the individual time trial event at the 2004 Athens Olympic Games. The Australian rider finished fourth behind Tyler Hamilton (USA), Viatcheslav Ekimov (Russia) and Bobby Julich (USA). But after Tyler Hamilton's confessions about doping, he was stripped of gold and returning his medal.
"It was certainly a special moment when I awoke and read the news that I was receiving the medal. It will be an honour to receive the medal from Mr Coates," Rogers said in a statement issued before the ceremony.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Coe says: My sport is more than piss and blood0
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Coe says: My sport is more than wee-wee and blood
It won't be if he doesn't do something about the issues.0 -
Coe says: My sport is more than wee-wee and blood
The Graun's Owen Gibson and Sean Ingle are writing some very good stuff about athletics, doping and Coe at the moment
Whatever people want to say to slag off British media on sports, some journos are doing a decent job0 -
Toulon deny allegations of players taking 'substances related to doping' as president dismisses links with French investigation
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/club-rugby/toulon-deny-allegations-of-players-taking-substances-related-to-doping-as-president-dismisses-links-with-french-investigation-10491149.html'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Toulon deny allegations of players taking 'substances related to doping' as president dismisses links with French investigation
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/club-rugby/toulon-deny-allegations-of-players-taking-substances-related-to-doping-as-president-dismisses-links-with-french-investigation-10491149.html
Pierre Ballester who co-wrote LA Confidential with Walsh, has been investigating doping in French rugby - published 'Rugby a Charges' earlier this year
http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/Ballester-s-explique/5417770 -
It seems there may well have been a super-injunction then.
Mentioned in parliament and this is her response.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sndpj9
Paula Radcliffe statement
Statement of Paula Radcliffe following the Culture Media and Sport Committee Hearing of 8 September 2015 regarding the Sunday Times’ allegations concerning blood data.
I categorically deny that I have resorted to cheating in any form whatsoever at any time in my career, and am devastated that my name has even been linked to these wide-ranging accusations. I have campaigned long and hard throughout my career for a clean sport. I have publicly condemned cheats and those who aid them. These accusations threaten to undermine all I have stood and competed for, as well as my hard earned reputation. By linking me to allegations of cheating, damage done to my name and reputation can never be fully repaired, no matter how untrue I know them to be.
Whilst I have the greatest of respect for anyone responsibly trying to uncover cheating in sport, and of course for Parliament itself, it is profoundly disappointing that the cloak of Parliamentary privilege has been used to effectively implicate me, tarnishing my reputation, with full knowledge that I have no recourse against anyone for repeating what has been said at the Committee Hearing.
At the time of the recent Sunday Times coverage, I wrestled long and hard with a desire to speak out with the true facts concerning my position, and, to fully explain any fluctuations in my blood data. However by ‘coming out’ in that fashion I was made aware that I would be facilitating mass coverage of my name in connection with false allegations of possible doping, which would enable further irreparable damage to be done to my reputation. As a result of today’s Parliamentary Hearing I can no longer maintain my silence.
The investigation by ARD and the Sunday Times may have been a perfectly valid enterprise if the goal was to expose cheats, their supporters, and, their infrastructures. If, however, innocent athletes, as in my case, are caught up in the desire to sensationalise and expand the story, then that goal loses a lot of credibility, and indeed, opportunities to catch the true offenders.
As the journalists themselves state, abnormal readings are not proof of guilt, yet many innocent athletes are being implicated and tainted due to the distorted interpretation of a limited historic dataset. The Anti-Doping system cannot be manipulated in such a way that innocent athletes are no longer protected from the misuse of stolen and leaked incomplete data, the misinterpretation of that data, and, sensationalist newspaper exposés.
I am 100% confident that the full explanations and circumstances around any fluctuations in my personal data on a very small number of occasions will stand up to any proper scrutiny and investigation. Indeed they have already done so. In my case, numerous experts have concluded that there is simply no case to answer. I have at all times been open and transparent, encouraging and supporting the use of blood profiling for many years. At no time have any of the various anti- doping authorities found any reason to level any charge of abnormal practice or cheating against me whatsoever. My results were reviewed contemporaneously, and, more recently at my request following the Sunday Times’ articles, which insofar as they erroneously alluded to me were irresponsibly published. Nothing improper has ever been found, since it never occurred. WADA themselves have again investigated following the recent articles. I understand the team from WADA found nothing and I fully expect that once the Independent Committee publish their report I will again be found to have no case to answer.
In all of these three cases referred to by the Sunday Times (as well as on many more occasions) I was EPO urine tested at the time, and also in follow up. All of these three cases followed periods of altitude training. Only one of my blood test scores is marginally above the 1 in 100 accepted threshold, and this is invalid given that it was collected immediately following a half marathon race run around midday in temperatures of approximately 30C. None of my blood test scores are anywhere near the 1 in 1000 threshold as was claimed by the Sunday Times and that which is seen as suspicion of doping. No abnormalities were ultimately found and any allegation that the IAAF did not follow up on blood data results in my case is false.
Further, not one of the values questioned by the Sunday Times occurred around any of my best performances or races, including all my appearances at the London Marathon. This makes it all the more disappointing that my identity was effectively leaked at the Parliamentary Hearing, under the guise of there being a British athlete and London Marathon winner who is erroneously under suspicion.
There is undoubtedly a major issue with doping in sport, and blood doping in its various guises has become a tough opponent for the authorities to combat effectively. The processes to capture those involved are complicated and have taken many years to evolve. The process continues with the help of athletes, scientists, and in some cases, the media. It was in the spirit of this that I agreed to meet with the Sunday Times reporters before publication of their story. I was incredibly disappointed however that they appeared to purely want to link me to their story. Their experts (one of whom spoke at the Committee Hearing today) gave their assessment of what they say "may" have led to abnormalities in my data. However, they did so without any knowledge of context, of personal circumstances, and, of any other facts; all of which would be, and in fact were, available to the multiple experts who examined my data at the time and more recently. The consideration and indeed necessity of that type of extrinsic information is paramount for all proper evaluation and interpretation of test data. Sadly, in my case the Sunday Times’ experts failed appallingly.
In my case, the necessary extrinsic information relates to how and when the tests were conducted. I had been ill prior to the race and was taking strong antibiotics, which may have affected the data. Two (of the three flagged tests) were done immediately following races, which today would invalidate any tests. Indeed there is now a two hour rule before blood can be collected following any training or competition. This is because the evidence showed how this affects the figures. Furthermore, they were all conducted following prolonged periods of altitude training, which is today recognised as significantly impacting blood figures, and is therefore taken into account when interpreting blood data. There are also other reasons why the pre-2009 data may be considered unreliable, as various experts have explained in their evaluations; these include unreliability and inconsistency of analysis machines and transportation and storage variances. Obviously dehydration is a huge factor in post-race tests, particularly in very hot conditions. For example, one of the tests was done immediately after finishing a half marathon in Portugal in midday temperatures of approximately 30 degree Celsius heat.
The Sunday Times recently attempted to obtain the consent of athletes to publish their stolen medical data, asserting behind the scenes to the effect that if consent isn’t given it will look like an
athlete has something to hide and may therefore be guilty of doping. This was effectively tantamount to blackmail, and plainly unacceptable. I was extremely disturbed to see how young athletes preparing for the World Championships were upset and confused by the intrusion and demands of these journalists. A further important point is that cheats wishing to know the normal ranges were being given very valuable information and assistance by the Sunday Times. For these reasons and primarily the need for qualified interpretation with all relevant context, the sport’s governing bodies requested that athletes should not release their blood data. I was happy to stand with them.
Although I have nothing to fear in terms of what the data shows, because I have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong, it should be remembered that what is being discussed is confidential medical data which has been stolen or leaked. Such partial and historic data is of little value on its own, and, can only result in further misinterpretation and speculation. One expert said to me that trying to evaluate the data in question, shorn of context, is like trying to put speed values on a car without knowing whether the readings show miles per hour or kilometers per hour. Another senior independent expert who WADA recommended and who is head of the WADA accredited laboratory in Lausanne was asked at my request to review the data following the Sunday Times articles (without being told my identity). He concluded that:
“Evaluation of Profile [redacted] - Review of Blood Data from 2001 -2008 I looked carefully the data which are part of the profile [redacted].
To my knowledge, they were obtained through several technologies.
Moreover, data obtained for example in Vilamoura in 2003, with bloods collected before and right after the half marathon, ran in hot conditions, are typically showing effects of confounding factors. The increase of 2.8 in Hb (and no significant effect on ret%) is due to a drastic hemo-concentration caused by the specific race conditions. This post-race value, as most of the others, today would not be validated, and then not be implemented in a real biological passport.
Therefore, I consider that any interpretation of this profile, which would be done by ignoring the confounding factors cited above, is abusive.
Furthermore, any interpretation of these data implemented in an individual and longitudinal blood profile between 2001 and 2008 can be considered to my eyes as intellectually dishonest and scientifically biased.”
And here lies the problem, incomplete data can be incorrectly interpreted, and indeed, has been in my case by the Sunday Times.
I would like to reiterate my abhorrence at having fingers falsely pointed at me and being accused of having suspicious blood results and therefore of possibly cheating in the sport I love. I have never resorted to cheating in any form whatsoever at any time in my career. I welcome further investigation if it is necessary, however, multiple experts having already concluded contemporaneously and following the Sunday Times’ articles that there is simply no case to answer. I will continue to fully support and help the quest to find and remove those who cast a huge shadow over athletics which sadly threatens to envelop the innocent along with the guilty.
Paula Radcliffe
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Fair Play Paula that is a bangin' response. She's gone up in my eyes there...
Glazed eyes? Or turning a blind eye?
Haven't we heard the same excuses from Pantani?0 -
Only if you've been visiting Derek AcorahFair Play Paula that is a bangin' response. She's gone up in my eyes there...
Glazed eyes? Or turning a blind eye?
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Joel you re clearly not here for rational discussion so although I think actively blocking people is childish (and every now and again you can post something useful like the letter above), I don't think your contributions really add to the discussion and treat them as such.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Fair Play Paula that is a bangin' response. She's gone up in my eyes there...
Glazed eyes? Or turning a blind eye?
Haven't we heard the same excuses from Pantani?
Joel, serious question. You're on Twitter and discuss all this, you're on Velorooms and post in The Dark Side there.
Dont you think you have enough different channels for going over all this to your heart's content?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19698277#p19698277]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Fair Play Paula that is a bangin' response. She's gone up in my eyes there...
Glazed eyes? Or turning a blind eye?
Haven't we heard the same excuses from Pantani?
Joel, serious question. You're on Twitter and discuss all this, you're on Velorooms and post in The Dark Side there.
Dont you think you have enough different channels for going over all this to your heart's content?
I don't get involved with the nutters on Twitter. Simply posted something relevant. It's interesting to note that she hasn't mentioned never doping, just not cheating.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19698277#p19698277]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Fair Play Paula that is a bangin' response. She's gone up in my eyes there...
Glazed eyes? Or turning a blind eye?
Haven't we heard the same excuses from Pantani?
Joel, serious question. You're on Twitter and discuss all this, you're on Velorooms and post in The Dark Side there.
Dont you think you have enough different channels for going over all this to your heart's content?
I don't get involved with the nutters on Twitter. Simply posted something relevant. It's interesting to note that she hasn't mentioned never doping, just not cheating.
Yes, thanks for repeating what @dimspace has already tweeted
Look, here's a video of a pug playing drums to Metallica
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[quote="Richmond Racer 2]
Look, here's a video of a pug playing drums to Metallica
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That is cracking to be fair...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Given the (at least) 3 odd tests, and the fact that no one (proven dopers included) has run within 3 minutes of her very long standing world record, it's more than likely that she has been doing something untoward. Now the onus is on her to explain it away. Because she is British doesn't mean that she doesn't dope. The one good thing in all of this is that doping in athletics is now becoming important to those who haven't got a vested interest.0
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This thread looks like it might be going off topic. So here's another drumming dog
http://youtu.be/TnPxN0r90WETwitter: @RichN950 -
Here you go then. Back on topic (hope it's not egg). And I don't think it's Yogi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSj1WUZ7Zk0
