Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Are athletes who are serving a ban still in the testing pool? If not they can presumably dope all they want during the period of the ban and therefore train harder than they'd otherwise be able to and come back strong even if they do stop shortly before they return.
I thought you had to have a certain amount of time being tested before you can come back.
Otherwise, athletes would just retire at the end of every champ and announce a sudden return the day before.
Six months in the testing pool before competing for cyclists iirc. Other sports may vary, but there must be at least some period.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.
Those two pozzies wont be the only ones. The IAAF doing a shedload of targeted testing during these Games.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688898#p19688898]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.
Those two pozzies wont be the only ones. The IAAF doing a shedload of targeted testing during these Games.
I dunno. It feels like a couple of low level stooges to show that IAAF is serious. The big boys will walk. I don't think the IAAF could handle some high profile positives right now.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Are athletes who are serving a ban still in the testing pool? If not they can presumably dope all they want during the period of the ban and therefore train harder than they'd otherwise be able to and come back strong even if they do stop shortly before they return.
I thought you had to have a certain amount of time being tested before you can come back.
Otherwise, athletes would just retire at the end of every champ and announce a sudden return the day before.
Six months in the testing pool before competing for cyclists iirc. Other sports may vary, but there must be at least some period.
The period does vary according to the sports governing body's rules, but yes.
UCI = 6 months min
FINA (swimming) = 9 months
IAAF = 12 months0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688898#p19688898]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.
Those two pozzies wont be the only ones. The IAAF doing a shedload of targeted testing during these Games.
depends who they are targeting.
It's something they can't win though. Don't bust any big names and then places like the Asylum just say they are letting the stars get away with it. Shame we will never really know if they are properly clean or not0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688898#p19688898]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.
Those two pozzies wont be the only ones. The IAAF doing a shedload of targeted testing during these Games.
depends who they are targeting.
It's something they can't win though. Don't bust any big names and then places like the Asylum just say they are letting the stars get away with it. Shame we will never really know if they are properly clean or not
When I say 'targeting', I ain't suggesting utter randoms. There's rhyme and reason, if what I hear is correct.
For example, oh, Kenya.0 -
Mo wins 5k Gold as well...Contador is the Greatest0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688956#p19688956]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19688898#p19688898]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Two Kenyans caught and provisionally suspended today.
Seeing Caster Semenya running today and thinking back to all the ridicule and testing she had to go through whilst she was competing against doped up Russians and probably others really brought home the double standards of Athletics.
Those two pozzies wont be the only ones. The IAAF doing a shedload of targeted testing during these Games.
depends who they are targeting.
It's something they can't win though. Don't bust any big names and then places like the Asylum just say they are letting the stars get away with it. Shame we will never really know if they are properly clean or not
When I say 'targeting', I ain't suggesting utter randoms. There's rhyme and reason, if what I hear is correct.
For example, oh, Kenya.
Targeted during competition...how pointless. Just PR fluff. Maybe hammer them from 3-0 months before large competitions.0 -
Arguing that testing IC as well as OOC is pointless...is itself pointless
There is no single route. Which is why several AD routes are taken.
Or perhaps the Kenyan hurdler who'd qualified by winning her semi and tested positive shouldn't have been tested at all as you consider it pointless. And just raced the final. Maybe even have won a medal.
The IAAF are targeting during the Champs using the expensive tests such as CIR. Thereby catching some unwary who've been advised by their coaches or doctors that they could risk it.
You catch only a handful with IC tests? Doesn't matter - that's xx less cheats able to stay in the competition.
It is ALWAYS worth it.
You stop doing IC tests and only OOC? Well, let's think about what that might do to some cheats behaviour...no, I just can't think what...0 -
Poor Gatlin can't buy a break. Beaten in all three events by the people's champion, sulking with the UK media for referring to him as 'twice convicted doper' just because he's a twice convicted doper and now even his own team mates seem to be literally lining up to deride him
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Russia about to get a look at the preliminary findings of the WADA investigation into claims made by whistleblowers and Hajo Seppelt in the ARD documentary re nefarious Russian doings
http://tass.ru/en/sports/8174830 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19691874#p19691874]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Russia about to get a look at the preliminary findings of the WADA investigation into claims made by whistleblowers and Hajo Seppelt in the ARD documentary re nefarious Russian doings
http://tass.ru/en/sports/817483
Anyone who speaks up against status quo is playing a dangerous game around there.0 -
Has anyone got access to The Sunday Times who could copy and paste this article into this thread please? Damn paywall.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/athletics/article1599791.ece0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19691874#p19691874]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Russia about to get a look at the preliminary findings of the WADA investigation into claims made by whistleblowers and Hajo Seppelt in the ARD documentary re nefarious Russian doings
http://tass.ru/en/sports/817483
Anyone who speaks up against status quo is playing a dangerous game around there.
Yep.
The Stepanovs who blew the whistle to Seppelt are in hiding, and can never go back the land of the Kremlin0 -
Your wish is my suggestion, Joel:
Coe may very well be a plonker (although a lot of the "Coe's an erse" stories smell a bit apocryphal to me so I tend to take them with a pinch of salt), but I sometimes wonder whether it's just the effect of the rarefied circles that elite administrators move in - they just lose touch with reality. I suspect Coe genuinely believes that he's doing nothing wrong, but then again quite possibly neither did Blatter or Stalin.The Times wrote:End Nike deal, Seb — just do it
The IAAF president should be aware of and act swiftly on a perceived conflict of interest with his new role
David Walsh Published: 30 August 2015
TOMORROW Sebastian Coe begins his presidency of the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF). Since his election 12 days ago he has been spoken of as the man to save his sport, as if athletics was about to die. His first day as president-elect was singularly unimpressive.
Coe was asked whether he would be giving up his £90,000-a-year ambassadorial role with sponsors Nike. With astonishing arrogance, he bristled at the question and replied that he would not. Consider for a second that he was involved in the decision to award Eugene, Oregon, the 2021 world championships and that he was also involved in the decision to award Portland, Oregon, the 2016 World Indoor Championships.
Nike’s headquarters are in Oregon and, of course, the company wanted those championships to come to their backyard. There is no suggestion Coe was influenced by being on Nike’s payroll but in these situations perception is as important as reality. How can there not be a perceived conflict of interest when a sports administrator is involved in a decision that affects a sponsor from whom he is receiving approximately £1,800 a week? The president needs to end this relationship with Nike. Now.
And this relationship is not his greatest difficulty. On Friday, Sergey Shubenkov won the 110m hurdles final at the world championships in Beijing, the first gold at these championships for a Russian athlete. At the 2013 world championships they won more golds than any other country. Shubenkov will probably be Russia’s only winner but before we applaud, we need to check his blood values going back over a number of years.
This is because the testimony of former Russian Anti-doping Agency (RUSADA) employee Vitaliy Stepanov and his wife, the 800m runner Yuliya Stepanova, and evidence from 12,000 IAAF blood tests leaked to the Sunday Times and German broadcasters ARD/WDR have shown that doping in Russia has been endemic.
Coe has been equivocal on how the IAAF might deal with the problem. First he said Russia could be banned. Then he changed tack, encouraging us to feel sympathy for a Russia who have been going through “a difficult time.”
This softer approach was echoed by Sir Craig Reedie, president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada), who said in a BBC interview that he did not support bans for nations guilty of persistent doping. The stories told by the Stepanovs is of a country where the national coaches, the national federation, the national anti-doping agency and the national anti-doping laboratory were all complicit with a system designed to win by cheating.
If these allegations are substantiated by Wada’s independent commission, how can Russia not be banned? According to emails seen by the Mail on Sunday, Reedie has been doing his best to maintain good relations with new RUSADA chief Natalya Zhelanova and the Russia sports minister, Vitaly Mutko. To Zhelanova, Reedie wrote: “It is my view that the content of the programmes was based on a period of time that pre-dates the changes in legislation and the investment made.”
He continued: “On a personal level I value the relationship I have with Minister Mutko and I shall be grateful if you will inform him that there is no intention in Wada to do anything to affect that relationship.”
Why the promise not to “affect the relationship” with the Russia sports minister when Wada’s report into Russian doping has yet to be published? Why cosy up to Mutko in the first place? Why not consider all the clean athletes who were beaten by dopers over the past decade?
As for Mutko, it’s hard to understand why any anti-doping leader would be sending him supportive emails. On Thursday he spoke to Russian news agency TASS about the allegations contained in the German television documentaries. He described the methods used by the filmmakers as “disgusting.”
He was referring to conversations secretly taped by the Stepanovs, who knew that unless they got the cheats on tape their story of pervasive corruption would not be believed. Hajo Seppelt, the German journalist who produced the documentaries, sent the evidence to Mutko. “I do not want to interfere with this, I do not want to read these,” the minister told TASS. “But if you come into the room of the other athletes and begin to record it, then it means that someone advised you to do so... It is disgusting.”
Mutko would prefer to shoot the messengers, as would the Russian Athletics Federation. The IAAF and Wada need courageous people like the Stepanovs in the fight against doping. They are now living in hiding, unable to return to their homeland. So far, Reedie and Coe have performed like politicians. And while doing so, they betray clean athletes.0 -
Credit to Bomp for name-checking Coe, Blatter & Stalin in the same sentence0
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Nothing quite like a bit of far-fetched conflation to make a point. Still, at least I didn't Godwin it...[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19692471#p19692471]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Credit to Bomp for name-checking Coe, Blatter & Stalin in the same sentence0 -
Nothing quite like a bit of far-fetched conflation to make a point. Still, at least I didn't Godwin it...[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19692471#p19692471]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Credit to Bomp for name-checking Coe, Blatter & Stalin in the same sentence
Thing is that I can actually see Coe sending pesky Sunday Times journos off to a gulag...0 -
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If people don't like him being boss, they should form a coelition to oppose him.0
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I think after a couple of days it's pretty clear that Coe will do f*ck all to clean up the filthy mess that Athletics is.0
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No Coehesive strategy, that's part of the problem0
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He's only just got in and there are nearly calls for him to CoeWhen a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0
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He may appear Sebstandard but there's no viable Sebstitute.He's only just got in and there are nearly calls for him to CoeTwitter: @RichN950 -
They have to go after the drug labs, they can't be that difficult to find once you've stuffed Ferrari's balls down his neck and stamped hard?'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0
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They have to go after the drug labs, they can't be that difficult to find once you've stuffed Ferrari's balls down his neck and stamped hard?
Ferrari's knowledge will only cover a tiny portion of all the shenanigans going on...0 -
What about Francesco Coeconi?0
