Drugs in other sports and the media.
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https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/not-everyone-has-the-same-restrictions-arnaud-demare-concerned-with-ketones-use-in-peloton
Demare not mentioning doping but that MPCC teams don’t use things like ketones.0 -
Ketones are perfectly legal at the moment, so I don't see a problem. It's hardly the biggest surprise that a French rider on a French team is complaining about this. That team (and their manager) do seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp were progress is concerned.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."1
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Ludvig is Danish and Sunweb are Dutch.andyrac said:Ketones are perfectly legal at the moment, so I don't see a problem. It's hardly the biggest surprise that a French rider on a French team is complaining about this. That team (and their manager) do seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp were progress is concerned.
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It was Demare complaining about the ketones I think.rick_chasey said:
Ludvig is Danish and Sunweb are Dutch.andyrac said:Ketones are perfectly legal at the moment, so I don't see a problem. It's hardly the biggest surprise that a French rider on a French team is complaining about this. That team (and their manager) do seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp were progress is concerned.
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Just a note on the Ludvig story...rick_chasey said:
Ludvig is Danish and Sunweb are Dutch.andyrac said:Ketones are perfectly legal at the moment, so I don't see a problem. It's hardly the biggest surprise that a French rider on a French team is complaining about this. That team (and their manager) do seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp were progress is concerned.
The original interview, In Danish, was far broader, the part about pills was a small and fairly inconsequential section that's been chopped out and sensationalised.
The interviewer caught some flak on Twitter for not leading with the pills part, but wanted to provide a far broader "farewell story", rather than just using Ludvig to create a moral panic.
The main reason Ludvig retired was that after a high speed crash he didn't feel comfortable mentally in the peloton.
Link here in Danish:
https://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/tidligere_sunweb-dansker_stopper_karrieren_som_21-aarig/Warning No formatter is installed for the format4 -
The version originally posted came across very much as 'rider struggling to make it blames others taking pills', a bit Kimmage like but with admission that the pills in question are legal. The full version gives far more context.0
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Ketones are a nutritional supplement, it doesn't really make sense to start banning them in any case IMO. They're also produced naturally in the body in very variable amounts.andyrac said:Ketones are perfectly legal at the moment, so I don't see a problem. It's hardly the biggest surprise that a French rider on a French team is complaining about this. That team (and their manager) do seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp were progress is concerned.
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So is EPO and Testosterone but you can’t use those.1
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You can detect exogenous EPO and testosterone, I am not clear if you can with ketones.webboo said:So is EPO and Testosterone but you can’t use those.
I think it's a false comparison anyway since you don't inject ketones and they aren't a drug, but you know that.
They come naturally in a wide range of foods (not like Clenbuterol in beef etc...) and if you starve yourself for a day or two you will have loads of them.0 -
Isn't testosterone classified as a ketone anyway?0
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Sort of - there's lots of types of ketone.andyp said:Isn't testosterone classified as a ketone anyway?
The ones that you get in supplements are basically the same as the ones your body makes when it wants to turn fat into fuel. Whereas testosterone is mainly made in one (well two) places.0 -
This is a bit like asking if a bicycle is a wheel.andyp said:Isn't testosterone classified as a ketone anyway?
The important classification of testosterone is as an anabolic steroid.That means it acts to promote cell growth, most notably in this context muscle. Among several structural features it has a chemical motif called a ketone group.
Ketones are found through nature and chemistry.1 -
An awful amount of football players seem to be collapsing these days.
Just saying.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
"The tournament's chief executive, Craig Tiley, said 26 athletes had applied for medical exemptions....."
So, fit enough to be top tennis players, but need medical exemption fom a vaccination that millions of people have had?0 -
flite said:
"The tournament's chief executive, Craig Tiley, said 26 athletes had applied for medical exemptions....."
So, fit enough to be top tennis players, but need medical exemption fom a vaccination that millions of people have had?
Athletes tend to be pretty self absorbed, so they may not see the big picture. So they think that getting the jab will only be a minor benefit to them but may cause a reaction which will cause them to miss training/eventsTwitter: @RichN950 -
In Djokovic's case it just appears he's an absolute d1ck.flite said:"The tournament's chief executive, Craig Tiley, said 26 athletes had applied for medical exemptions....."
So, fit enough to be top tennis players, but need medical exemption fom a vaccination that millions of people have had?0 -
He's claiming he's exempt because he tested positive on 16th December. Strange claim given that he was at an awards ceremony and not even bothering to wear a mask on the 17th.yorkshireraw said:
In Djokovic's case it just appears he's an absolute d1ck.flite said:"The tournament's chief executive, Craig Tiley, said 26 athletes had applied for medical exemptions....."
So, fit enough to be top tennis players, but need medical exemption fom a vaccination that millions of people have had?"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
This could get very messy...
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Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No quarantine rules for positive test in Serbia? Seems unlikely.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0
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They grant exemptions to local deities perhaps?seanoconn said:No quarantine rules for positive test in Serbia? Seems unlikely.
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And he has to endure a quarantine hotel. Cant go and isolate at the local Ritz Carlton. One for the lawyers.0
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There is irony in that Novak is refusing to have the vaccine, but has probably had all sorts of other stuff pumped into him over the years...Pross said:
What could go wrong when the biggest name in the sport gets into a deal with their national postal service?mrb123 said:
This could get very messy...0 -
And the irony of hoping to prove that a positive test was genuine when no-one else believes it to be the case!yorkshireraw said:
There is irony in that Novak is refusing to have the vaccine, but has probably had all sorts of other stuff pumped into him over the years...Pross said:
What could go wrong when the biggest name in the sport gets into a deal with their national postal service?mrb123 said:
This could get very messy...0 -
So I follow the NFL, which, as we know, is a massive pharmaceutical testing league.
Anyway, a bit on one of the NFL talkshows went a bit viral after a former top player from the 00s was offering some suggestions to a current player who struggles with cold feet in cold weather due to circulation.
"just take some viagra! We all did it. Is great for the circulation"
cue much titillation and hilarity, but literally no-one is sitting there asking "isn't this doping?"0 -
rick_chasey said:
cue much titillation and hilarity, but literally no-one is sitting there asking "isn't this doping?"
That's because it's not doping. So it's a sensible reaction. I bet they don't lose their mind if someone uses an asthma inhaler either.Twitter: @RichN950 -
It may enhance performance but not necessarily in sport...0
