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Actually - It was Catharine Pendrel I was thinking of... 😶webboo said:
She didn’t ride the Olympics, it was Kate Courtney.ddraver said:Not sure how much, if ever, she strayed on to the road but a huge name in US cycling...
Think she even ride the Olympics MTB race although finished a long way down. Was a big feature of the Trek CX/XC set up for a long time. for some time she was US cycling's only significant representation in Europe while the Dombowski's and Phinneys were neo-pros at Sky. There are a number of prominant anti-doping tweets from her that are looking a little...questionable now.
(and this is UKIP level parochial but it's interesting to see how some US journos are treating it compared to their treatment of...others)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
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Didn't it happen with one of the relay squads before (or was it GB got promoted to the medals years later). I seem to recall it impacting on Jamie Baulch so would be a 4x400m but could easily be mixing up several different events based on my track record.dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
Edit - it could be I'm thinking of the 2000 4x400m where the US was subsequently stripped of gold due to Pettigrew admitting to doping, UK only moved up to 5th though.
Did we have a 4x100m medal taken away due to Linford?0 -
Think there was a 4*100 taken away because of Dwayne Chambers, a world or euro title though not OlympicsPross said:
Didn't it happen with one of the relay squads before (or was it GB got promoted to the medals years later). I seem to recall it impacting on Jamie Baulch so would be a 4x400m but could easily be mixing up several different events based on my track record.dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
Edit - it could be I'm thinking of the 2000 4x400m where the US was subsequently stripped of gold due to Pettigrew admitting to doping, UK only moved up to 5th though.
Did we have a 4x100m medal taken away due to Linford?0 -
2002 Europeans 4 x 100m. I remember when he came back and they won the same event in '06, Darren Campbell refused to join the team on a victory lap and was pretty scathing when interviewed.r0bh said:
Think there was a 4*100 taken away because of Dwayne Chambers, a world or euro title though not OlympicsPross said:
Didn't it happen with one of the relay squads before (or was it GB got promoted to the medals years later). I seem to recall it impacting on Jamie Baulch so would be a 4x400m but could easily be mixing up several different events based on my track record.dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
Edit - it could be I'm thinking of the 2000 4x400m where the US was subsequently stripped of gold due to Pettigrew admitting to doping, UK only moved up to 5th though.
Did we have a 4x100m medal taken away due to Linford?0 -
I have a lot of time for Darren Campbell but I've never been able to square his views with his support for Linford.thejimmymethod said:
2002 Europeans 4 x 100m. I remember when he came back and they won the same event in '06, Darren Campbell refused to join the team on a victory lap and was pretty scathing when interviewed.r0bh said:
Think there was a 4*100 taken away because of Dwayne Chambers, a world or euro title though not OlympicsPross said:
Didn't it happen with one of the relay squads before (or was it GB got promoted to the medals years later). I seem to recall it impacting on Jamie Baulch so would be a 4x400m but could easily be mixing up several different events based on my track record.dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
Edit - it could be I'm thinking of the 2000 4x400m where the US was subsequently stripped of gold due to Pettigrew admitting to doping, UK only moved up to 5th though.
Did we have a 4x100m medal taken away due to Linford?
I am also a big Linford fan - I highly suspect he was at it like all his peers in the 80s and 90s but they way he's treated in the media, and his lack of status vs. other 'names' is appalling. He was the biggest show in town for British Athletics for years and always took on the big guns. Suspect his public spats with Coe have seen him punted to the sidelines.
He is still coaching I think - saw him a few years back trackside at the U23 champs - just cheering on his athletes, no fuss, no big 'I am here' vibe.0 -
Obv you never know who has helped enable this but if his coach is involved it's slightly worrying when you look at who else that guy coaches (always assuming these stats are accurate).rick_chasey said:
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I'd be amazed if Jodie Williams was caught up in doping, but equally she has made some significant strides this year so it won't take long before some forum posters tar her with the same brush. Steroid doping at an Olympics with an easily detectable product is so idiotic that it almost gives credence to the bust being due to contamination or some other issue, but whatever the cause the silver must be going down the swannee. Gutting for the team-mates, and I'd only just started to like Kilty.2015 Canyon Nerve AL 6.0 (son #1's)
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On the plus side it would have been even more gutting if they'd originally held on for gold.larkim said:I'd be amazed if Jodie Williams was caught up in doping, but equally she has made some significant strides this year so it won't take long before some forum posters tar her with the same brush. Steroid doping at an Olympics with an easily detectable product is so idiotic that it almost gives credence to the bust being due to contamination or some other issue, but whatever the cause the silver must be going down the swannee. Gutting for the team-mates, and I'd only just started to like Kilty.
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back in the very early 80's I was dating a very nice girl, and I was racing bikes unprofessionally. I went with my girl friend to a Christmas party with a bunch of her relatives, one of those relatives was a very highly ranked female tennis pro tennis player. So she comes up to me and tells me that my girlfriend had told her I was into racing bikes and she began to tell me about doping and that all the sports do it. I was aware of doping, there were teams in my classification that were doping so they could get ahead. Anyway I told her I wasn't interested, so she gave me a name and number to a doctor that if were to change my mind could hook me up. She knew this doctor! She said tennis was very heavily into doping as was a lot of other sports.Richmond Racer said:Let's not neglect tennis. BIG exposure there...
One look at Serena and Venus Williams should tell you that!
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Have you ever seen any animosity on the track shown towards convicted cheats who have deprived others of glory and money?dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
The other three will only be annoyed he got caught0 -
Darren Campbell had a very public hissy fit in 2006 when he refused to join Dwayne Chambers on the podium [or maybe just on the lap of honour] to claim his relay medal at the Euro Champs, in protest at Chambers having cost him his Euro and World relay medals from 2002/2003.surrey_commuter said:
Have you ever seen any animosity on the track shown towards convicted cheats who have deprived others of glory and money?dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
The other three will only be annoyed he got caught
Campbell didn't feel sufficiently strongly to go as far as to not racing with Chambers though, so he probably didn't feel that strongly about it.0 -
Maybe thought it was better that Chambers cost him one medal, not two!wallace_and_gromit said:
Darren Campbell had a very public hissy fit in 2006 when he refused to join Dwayne Chambers on the podium [or maybe just on the lap of honour] to claim his relay medal at the Euro Champs, in protest at Chambers having cost him his Euro and World relay medals from 2002/2003.surrey_commuter said:
Have you ever seen any animosity on the track shown towards convicted cheats who have deprived others of glory and money?dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
The other three will only be annoyed he got caught
Campbell didn't feel sufficiently strongly to go as far as to not racing with Chambers though, so he probably didn't feel that strongly about it.0 -
It is a good example but the fact it is 15 years old rather supports my argumentwallace_and_gromit said:
Darren Campbell had a very public hissy fit in 2006 when he refused to join Dwayne Chambers on the podium [or maybe just on the lap of honour] to claim his relay medal at the Euro Champs, in protest at Chambers having cost him his Euro and World relay medals from 2002/2003.surrey_commuter said:
Have you ever seen any animosity on the track shown towards convicted cheats who have deprived others of glory and money?dabber said:Can you imagine how totally pissed off with Ujah the other three will be if this is upheld and the team lose their silver medals.
The other three will only be annoyed he got caught
Campbell didn't feel sufficiently strongly to go as far as to not racing with Chambers though, so he probably didn't feel that strongly about it.0 -
I was chatting to a colleague yesterday who is putting in distance running performances that mean he should be making regular national squad selection but even though he is putting in times quicker than others he can't get ahead of them which he puts down in part to him fitting into the classic doper profile (didn't run until his early 20s and now in his mid-late 20s appears to have come from nowhere - his progression has been fast but consistent). It probably doesn't help that he coaches himself so it's a bit embarassing for national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids.0
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What's he on?Pross said:I was chatting to a colleague yesterday who is putting in distance running performances that mean he should be making regular national squad selection but even though he is putting in times quicker than others he can't get ahead of them which he puts down in part to him fitting into the classic doper profile (didn't run until his early 20s and now in his mid-late 20s appears to have come from nowhere - his progression has been fast but consistent). It probably doesn't help that he coaches himself so it's a bit embarassing for national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids.
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Beetroot tablets at one pointmrb123 said:
What's he on?Pross said:I was chatting to a colleague yesterday who is putting in distance running performances that mean he should be making regular national squad selection but even though he is putting in times quicker than others he can't get ahead of them which he puts down in part to him fitting into the classic doper profile (didn't run until his early 20s and now in his mid-late 20s appears to have come from nowhere - his progression has been fast but consistent). It probably doesn't help that he coaches himself so it's a bit embarassing for national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids.
He's a bit obsessed and possibly benefits from not having done it for years so is fresher and less prone to injury.0 -
Pross said:
Beetroot tablets at one pointmrb123 said:
What's he on?Pross said:I was chatting to a colleague yesterday who is putting in distance running performances that mean he should be making regular national squad selection but even though he is putting in times quicker than others he can't get ahead of them which he puts down in part to him fitting into the classic doper profile (didn't run until his early 20s and now in his mid-late 20s appears to have come from nowhere - his progression has been fast but consistent). It probably doesn't help that he coaches himself so it's a bit embarassing for national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids.
He's a bit obsessed and possibly benefits from not having done it for years so is fresher and less prone to injury.
How do you know he's clean?
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Yeah, no pro cyclist who doped ever had a coach.0
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Pross said:
Yeah, no pro cyclist who doped ever had a coach.
I agree of course, but you stated: 'national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids' - which is a fair bit removed from: 'pro cyclist who doped ever had a coach'.
So, how about an answer to the first question, how do you know he's clean?
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What's the selection policy? Like for GB athletics the first two in a selection race are guaranteed a spot if they have the qualification time.Pross said:I was chatting to a colleague yesterday who is putting in distance running performances that mean he should be making regular national squad selection but even though he is putting in times quicker than others he can't get ahead of them which he puts down in part to him fitting into the classic doper profile (didn't run until his early 20s and now in his mid-late 20s appears to have come from nowhere - his progression has been fast but consistent). It probably doesn't help that he coaches himself so it's a bit embarassing for national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids.
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What is this, the fucking Clinic? I haven't said I know he's clean but considering he is just a part time runner who I have worked alongside for 6 years or so and seen training at first hand I would be incredibly surprised. I was simply pointing out how it could be viewed from the outside that he would fit a traditional doping profile.joe2019 said:Pross said:Yeah, no pro cyclist who doped ever had a coach.
I agree of course, but you stated: 'national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids' - which is a fair bit removed from: 'pro cyclist who doped ever had a coach'.
So, how about an answer to the first question, how do you know he's clean?0 -
It's supposedly based on times (that he has achieved). In some cases they were picking runners who had run slower. On a tangent, for sprinters they were putting on races purely to try to give them another chance to hit the qualifying times.r0bh said:
What's the selection policy? Like for GB athletics the first two in a selection race are guaranteed a spot if they have the qualification time.Pross said:I was chatting to a colleague yesterday who is putting in distance running performances that mean he should be making regular national squad selection but even though he is putting in times quicker than others he can't get ahead of them which he puts down in part to him fitting into the classic doper profile (didn't run until his early 20s and now in his mid-late 20s appears to have come from nowhere - his progression has been fast but consistent). It probably doesn't help that he coaches himself so it's a bit embarassing for national squads to see him beating the people who have been in the system under their coaches since they were kids.
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