Drugs in other sports and the media.

sherer

does anyone really believe Russia are the only nation with doping programs though ?

gweeds

mrb123 said:

They shouldn't be competing under any banner.

Russia have never shown any contrition or remorse. Their stock response is to deny everything, obstruct attempts at investigation and attack the whistle blowers.

Yup. As classy as ever

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/11/kamila-valieva-british-journalists-receive-death-threats-from-russia?

Pross

The ROC's performance in the 4x10k cross country skiing today left my eyebrows raising.

Mad_Malx

Wheelspinner said:

Same thing basically as Maria Sharapova was busted for, and a few other Russkies I think wasn't it? Meldonium or something?

Biochemical Mechanism looks is a bit different but yes, both help heart cells cope with insufficient oxygen supply - ie during anaerobic bursts.
Meldonium bit more complex I think, and it may have longer term benefits when taken out of competition.

Pross

CAS creating issues for themselves and the IOC with the Valieva decision. I can understand their concerns if the suspend her but if she goes on to win there are bound to be appeals and potential stripping of medals

TheBigBean

The backdated bans are always a mess e.g. Giro 2011.

flite

Not giving a provisional suspension because she is underage sends all the wrong messages.

JimD666

Surely if she's old enough to complete she's old enough to be banned for cheating. Very odd decision.

Must remember though that Olympic sport has nothing to do with politics. Nope, nothing at all to do with it.

blazing_saddles

If she medals the IOC say they won’t have a medal ceremony.

More bending over backwards due to tender age.
More Russian cynicism, exploiting the young for the benefit of the state.

larkim

There's something in this that we don't know, I suspect. The long delay before the result announced, the CAS view on the impact on her etc etc. It can't surely be "the poor girl, she's travelled to China for this and it will be so upsetting" as the valid reason to have someone with a known adverse finding competing.

Can it?

gweeds

Old enough to compete, old enough to get popped.

Also. Fucks sake Russia.

TheBigBean

Contamination from grandad's medicine apparently. Makes me think she is guilty (or at least someone she works with).

andyrac

I haven't heard that one before.....it's another to add to the excuses for a positive.

Wheelspinner

Yeah…

flite

She will probably be instructed to look very vulnerable, put in a fabulous routine, but slip on her last jump and collapse in tears on the ice.
Milking massive sympathy from a gullible public.

larkim

If she's gone on the record with a reason for why she tested positive, that does raise her culpability level if it were discovered that she is lying. For the moment, it's not utterly implausible that there's some household cockup (though pretty unlikely in truth) but she's raised the stakes by airing a reason for the +ve test in public.

rick_chasey

She's 15. She should be thrown out of the tournaments she tests positive - including this Olympics - for but her coaches should be banned not her, unless they can prove she did it against their wishes.

Changes when she's 18.

RichN95.

rick_chasey said:

She's 15. She should be thrown out of the tournaments she tests positive - including this Olympics - for but her coaches should be banned not her, unless they can prove she did it against their wishes.

Changes when she's 18.

In that case she should be restricted to junior competitions until she is 18.

larkim

The child nature of this is really challenging. Once children are allowed to compete in the top echelon of sport there really should be no hiding place for them from the same doping regimes and outcomes that apply to adults, but I do agree that if she is guilty then the greater part of the blame for that applies to her parents and coaches.
She's clearly a tough competitor (just watched her short programme) or she's beiing incredibly well shielded from the pressures around her at the moment.
A world class competitor, though, whether they are 12, 15, 30 or 70 knows the drugs rules. This isn't just some girl plucked from a local ice rink a couple of weeks ago and thrust onto the world stage, she's been trained for this and her federation and coach should have been making provision for her education and awareness of doping. If she wasn't getting that, maybe I can see a case for her being treated differently, but I'd find it hard to believe that unless she was being completely manipulated as in the "good old days" of Eastern European programmes, that she is able to be so naive to be unaware of the risks of her behaviours.

rick_chasey

RichN95. said:

rick_chasey said:

She's 15. She should be thrown out of the tournaments she tests positive - including this Olympics - for but her coaches should be banned not her, unless they can prove she did it against their wishes.

Changes when she's 18.

In that case she should be restricted to junior competitions until she is 18.

If the 15 year old is the pinnacle of the sport, then why deny the sport and the world that?

Surely this is primarily a child abuse issue. We want people to be able to compete if they are good enough, but we also want to protect both fair competition and athlete welfare, don't we?

I figured therefore my compromise was reasonable.

thedirector135

Media drugs are shite.

RichN95.

rick_chasey said:

RichN95. said:

rick_chasey said:

She's 15. She should be thrown out of the tournaments she tests positive - including this Olympics - for but her coaches should be banned not her, unless they can prove she did it against their wishes.

Changes when she's 18.

In that case she should be restricted to junior competitions until she is 18.

If the 15 year old is the pinnacle of the sport, then why deny the sport and the world that?

Surely this is primarily a child abuse issue. We want people to be able to compete if they are good enough, but we also want to protect both fair competition and athlete welfare, don't we?

I figured therefore my compromise was reasonable.

Either she's old enough to compete at adult level and abide by the same rules, or she isn't. You can't have a competitor picking and choosing their own rules. By your rules she can dope to her heart's content out of competition with no personal consequences.

RichN95.

thedirector135 said:

Media drugs are shite.

They're clearly not. No-one's going into the cubicles in clubs to stick on a testosterone patch.

thedirector135

RichN95. said:

thedirector135 said:

Media drugs are shite.

They're clearly not. No-one's going into the cubicles in clubs to stick on a testosterone patch.

Depends if it's a unisex toilet or not.

andyrac

She's in a sport which requires judges - just mark her down, otherwise we're going to get another sh1tstorm if she wins......

flite

As predicted:
"She stumbled on a jump, had tears at the end"

blazing_saddles

It’s lucky we have this Olympic story to talk about.
Touchy-feely Team GB’s medal haul is going to wonders for their next cycle of funding.

Pross

RichN95. said:

rick_chasey said:

RichN95. said:

rick_chasey said:

She's 15. She should be thrown out of the tournaments she tests positive - including this Olympics - for but her coaches should be banned not her, unless they can prove she did it against their wishes.

Changes when she's 18.

In that case she should be restricted to junior competitions until she is 18.

If the 15 year old is the pinnacle of the sport, then why deny the sport and the world that?

Surely this is primarily a child abuse issue. We want people to be able to compete if they are good enough, but we also want to protect both fair competition and athlete welfare, don't we?

I figured therefore my compromise was reasonable.

Either she's old enough to compete at adult level and abide by the same rules, or she isn't. You can't have a competitor picking and choosing their own rules. By your rules she can dope to her heart's content out of competition with no personal consequences.

Odd thing is I think I heard she is too young to compete in a senior World Championship.

blazing_saddles

Just listened to the BBC report.
They manage to swoon over her performance, while at the same time, hitting just the right cynical note over her excuse.

larkim

Is it me being soft, or is this unfair:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-olympics/60399339
Tygart says the fact that two other *legal* drugs were in her system raises red flags?