Drugs in other sports and the media.

joelsim

Rick Chasey wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

According to Race Radio all the media have been told in no uncertain terms that if they release the name of this person then they will be hammered legally. Stupid UK law again.

I gave race radio sh!t for asking irritating rhetorical questions at Paula Radcliffe and he then private messaged me saying 'I know the answer already', which was even more irritating.

I then realised that because he 'doesn't follow' me, that I couldn't message back. :roll:

Exactly. He appears to know a lot more than we all do. He has alluded to someone talking, whether that be another doper using the same doctor(s)/treatment(s) or whatever, and the fact of course that it could be bitterness on someone's part. I guess we may or may not find out over the next few weeks.

ddraver

Appreciate I'm used to the House Party (ding), but just hit the episode where they have a doping cyclist who's popa with cancer kids...

Surprised that didnt raise a few hackles back in those days...

iainf72

Joelsim wrote:

Are you talking about a tennis player?

Nup

rick_chasey

Joelsim wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

According to Race Radio all the media have been told in no uncertain terms that if they release the name of this person then they will be hammered legally. Stupid UK law again.

I gave race radio sh!t for asking irritating rhetorical questions at Paula Radcliffe and he then private messaged me saying 'I know the answer already', which was even more irritating.

I then realised that because he 'doesn't follow' me, that I couldn't message back. :roll:

Exactly. He appears to know a lot more than we all do. He has alluded to someone talking, whether that be another doper using the same doctor(s)/treatment(s) or whatever, and the fact of course that it could be bitterness on someone's part. I guess we may or may not find out over the next few weeks.

Exactly?

Exactly what?

RichN95.

Joelsim wrote:

From what I can make out someone's (unconfirmed name) is on the IAAF list for having very suspect blood values. In addition there is further evidence potentially being gathered from various sources which could support why those blood values are suspect. And that is probably the reason why, having been warned off by aggressive solicitors, the UK and international media are keeping their powder dry.

Joel, you are coming off like a virgin at prom. You think that this could be your first actual doping scandal after telling everyone what a great lover you are. It's desperate.

By comparison, some of us around here have already banged supermodels. Stop hoping for more evidence to sate your boner and hope instead for genuine justice.

Here's a puzzle for you. Your boy has a bit of a spill while cycling. His teachers see his bruises and report it to social services. After a chat they take no further action.
Do you think that social services should list to the public everyone they have questioned (with no conclusions)? Don't the public have a right to judge you themselves

TheBigBean

RichN95 wrote:

and hope instead for genuine justice.

I think this is what most people actually want. They probably also want a little bit of titillation en route too.

I think it is important to chase historic doping cases as it is a wonderful deterent to current doping.

DeadCalm

I bitterly regret referring to the Race Radio Tweet in my earlier post.

Someone could appear on the list as a result of a single anomalous reading which would prove nothing. Furthermore, it is pretty clear that the list was compiled at a time when the science was in its infancy. The fact of being on the list, if indeed the person in question is indeed there, is pejorative but proves zilch and as such would be inadmissible as evidence in any fair trial. In my mind therefore there is no justifiable reason for making it public.

Looking at the what was happening in the career of the person in question at the time of the supposed suspicious samples there are plenty of potential explanations for an anomalous reading.

By all means, if there are legitimate reasons for questioning the bona fides of the athlete in question then go ahead and raise them but the mere fact of being on this list is not one of them.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

and hope instead for genuine justice.

I think this is what most people actually want. They probably also want a little bit of titillation en route too.

I think it is important to chase historic doping cases as it is a wonderful deterent to current doping.

Armstrong aside, it's bloody boring on the forum though.

shinyhelmut

Ferrari diversifying

http://m.insidethegames.biz/sports/winter/biathlon/1024501-ibu-begins-investigation-into-alleged-doping-scandal-by-vice-president

deer_dance

Some murky goings on in UFC at the moment...

Cash-cow Jon Jones tested positive for Cocaine and is off to rehab. Seemingly not so much mention of the exceptionally low T:E ratios observed on his drug tests.

Looks like another one swept under the carpet.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/7/7509417/jon-jones-dec-4-drug-test-results-from-nevada-athletic-commission

Pross

Rumours were rife at the rugby match I watched last weekend that the opposition (who have previous) had to drop 4 players due to positive tests for 'roids. We still got hammered by them. This is at the third tier and if true I suspect it really is the tip of the iceberg. I'd actually be surprised if any team in the division got away without a failed test if every player got tested one week.

ddraver

It's always the other team doing it isn't it

The_Boy

ddraver wrote:

It's always the other team doing it isn't it

Tbf, they won so they must have been doping.

Pross

ddraver wrote:

It's always the other team doing it isn't it

You didn't read the final sentence then?

I know for a fact that one player got moved on from the club I support when it came out he was taking steroids as the team was run by a copper and he couldn't afford to be associated with failed tests. As I said the rumours were of failed tests not that there were players in the opposition team on steroids. I suspect there's at least one player in every team I watch play each week who are taking them, it's part of gym culture and modern rugby players spend massive amounts of time around gyms.

Pross

I really wonder why athletes take supplements. Two Welsh athletes have spent thousands proving that their supplements were contaminated and tens of thousands more on legal fees and the proof was accepted but they still get bans of 4 and 6 months under strict liability. It appears the options are either pay thousands to get every batch of every supplement you use independently tested or don't use them at all. I've never worked out what many of these supplements give that a well balanced diet doesn't but I suspect any of us that have done amateur races or even just longer rides will have used energy drinks. Given that Rhys Williams seems to be out of pocket by around £100k due to £50k legal fees, £7k getting the supplements tested and about £40k of lost earnings I suspect he'll be making a claim against the supplier to recoup his losses.

I suspect some will still argue they should both have received life bans though

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/other-sport/athletics/olympic-duo-rhys-williams-gareth-8467750

joelsim

NBA player Chris Bosh, part of the Miami Heat team that won back-to-back championships with LeBron James a few years ago, has been sidelined for the rest of the season with blood clots in his lungs. Media coverage of his condition mentions Brooklyn Nets player Mirza Teletovic who is also missing the second half of this season with blood clots in his lungs, Cleveland Cavaliers player Anderson Varejao who missed most of the 2012-13 season with blood clots, and Miami Heat player Udonis Haslem who had blood clots in his lungs in 2010. Articles about Bosh also mention Jerome Kersey, a former Portland Trailblazers player who died last week at the age of 52 because of a blood clot in his lungs that caused an embolism.

Marvellous huh? Jesus.

salsiccia1

I'm sure none of those players have ever done anything naughty re PEDs, and that it's just a coincidence. But for the ignorant (i.e. me) is there a particular PED that is known cause blood clots in the lungs?

norvernrob

deer_dance wrote:

Some murky goings on in UFC at the moment...

Cash-cow Jon Jones tested positive for Cocaine and is off to rehab. Seemingly not so much mention of the exceptionally low T:E ratios observed on his drug tests.

Looks like another one swept under the carpet.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/7/7509417/jon-jones-dec-4-drug-test-results-from-nevada-athletic-commission

Plus Anderson Silva failing multiple tests with multiple drugs in his system - had that been a cyclist you'd probably never see them on a bike again.

The_Boy

Salsiccia1 wrote:

I'm sure none of those players have ever done anything naughty re PEDs, and that it's just a coincidence. But for the ignorant (i.e. me) is there a particular PED that is known cause blood clots in the lungs?

I may be misreading, but blood clots seem to be a side-effect of steroid use:

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/anabolic-s ... ction.aspx

RichN95.

The_Boy wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

I'm sure none of those players have ever done anything naughty re PEDs, and that it's just a coincidence. But for the ignorant (i.e. me) is there a particular PED that is known cause blood clots in the lungs?

I may be misreading, but blood clots seem to be a side-effect of steroid use:

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/anabolic-s ... ction.aspx

On the other hand tall people are at more risk of blood clots.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/ ... JD20100507

The_Boy

RichN95 wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

I'm sure none of those players have ever done anything naughty re PEDs, and that it's just a coincidence. But for the ignorant (i.e. me) is there a particular PED that is known cause blood clots in the lungs?

I may be misreading, but blood clots seem to be a side-effect of steroid use:

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/anabolic-s ... ction.aspx

On the other hand tall people are at more risk of blood clots.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/ ... JD20100507

So we need two large groups of tall people....

bompington

No great surprises here... as a Rugby fan from a long time back (and a strictly amateur member of the front row union, so I have a tiny bit of insight into attitudes to rules), I have to worry about how deep and widespread doping culture is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... lford.html

Dorset_Boy

bompington wrote:

No great surprises here... as a Rugby fan from a long time back (and a strictly amateur member of the front row union, so I have a tiny bit of insight into attitudes to rules), I have to worry about how deep and widespread doping culture is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... lford.html

Setting aside the drug issue, oh the irony of a side beating up the All Blacks through foul play.....

timoid.

Dorset Boy wrote:

Setting aside the drug issue, oh the irony of a side beating up the All Blacks through foul play.....

There's foul play and then there's knocking four teeth out of some guy's head and ripping open his scrote.

And he STILL played on!

The_Boy

Made for an interesting commemorative match ball though :thumbs:

The_Boy

Oh, and I'd be worried if someone had four teeth knocked out of somewhere that wasn't their head .

DL1987

The_Boy wrote:

Oh, and I'd be worried if someone had four teeth knocked out of somewhere that wasn't their head .

Have you not seen "that film"? :shock:

The_Boy

DL1987 wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

Oh, and I'd be worried if someone had four teeth knocked out of somewhere that wasn't their head .

Have you not seen "that film"? :shock:

Funnily enough, that was on my mind as I hit 'post'. Figured it was too niche to get pulled up on, but obviously I was wrong .

Dorset_Boy

I'm old enough to remember an All Black stud piercing the cheek of JPR Williams, following a stamp to the head, and a similar occurance to Jon Callard. I also remember the deliberate assault on Brian O'Driscoll in the first test in 2005.

I have no sympathy for any All Black who is on the wrong end of foul play - they've dished our far more than they've ever received, and generally got away with it.

timoid.

Dorset Boy wrote:

I'm old enough to remember an All Black stud piercing the cheek of JPR Williams, following a stamp to the head, and a similar occurance to Jon Callard. I also remember the deliberate assault on Brian O'Driscoll in the first test in 2005.

I have no sympathy for any All Black who is on the wrong end of foul play - they've dished our far more than they've ever received, and generally got away with it.

I have sympathy for anyone who has their sack ripped open.

But maybe that's just me