Drugs in other sports and the media.

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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Well this one is a doozy

    http://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id ... eals-court
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,574
    If the over paid prima donna footballers, and their sport, took drug testing seriously, they would complete the whereabouts system themselves, be in the habit of updating the system regularly, and it really then wouldn't have been diiffcult for Sanchez to know where he would be at breakfast time that day.
    It's an utter joke the clubs do this for them (or don't do it as actually seems to be the case.....)
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    If the over paid prima donna footballers, and their sport, took drug testing seriously, they would complete the whereabouts system themselves, be in the habit of updating the system regularly, and it really then wouldn't have been diiffcult for Sanchez to know where he would be at breakfast time that day.
    It's an utter joke the clubs do this for them (or don't do it as actually seems to be the case.....)
    If I ran a club with players worth tens of millions of pounds, I'd employ someone to make sure it gets done properly.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,574
    But Rich, as Man City (the richest of the lot), Bournemouth, and now Arsenal, it clearly doesn't get done properly. And those are just the ones I'm aware off.
    There should be consistency across sports.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    If the over paid prima donna footballers, and their sport, took drug testing seriously, they would complete the whereabouts system themselves, be in the habit of updating the system regularly, and it really then wouldn't have been diiffcult for Sanchez to know where he would be at breakfast time that day.
    It's an utter joke the clubs do this for them (or don't do it as actually seems to be the case.....)
    If I ran a club with players worth tens of millions of pounds, I'd employ someone to make sure it gets done properly.

    If i was worth tens of millions of pounds and the whereabouts system was a potential risk to my income Id do it myself to be sure.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,235
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    ... the whereabouts system was a potential risk to my income...
    Bzzzt. Reality check. This is the kickball industry here.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    OK, footballers don't let the clubs do the whereabouts out of convenience, the programme was set up like that - it's literally how it was implemented in football. It allows testing of multiple players at one time, for instance.

    Arsenal screwed up here, basically because Sanchez was in the middle of a transfer and nobody knew exactly where he was going to be
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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    How does Rooney manage when he wakes up in some random brothel.
  • Hiltaldo
    Hiltaldo Posts: 14
    Football is big money and nobody wants to upset the apple cart. Football is an endurance sport and players and clubs use every avenue and benefit they can get. They just don’t get the scrutiny unless it’s a recreational drug and that’s more for moral reasons!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,348
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    OK, footballers don't let the clubs do the whereabouts out of convenience, the programme was set up like that - it's literally how it was implemented in football. It allows testing of multiple players at one time, for instance.

    Arsenal screwed up here, basically because Sanchez was in the middle of a transfer and nobody knew exactly where he was going to be

    Funny if the £500k per week footballer got a 6 month ban. Let me see... 26 x 500,000...
    The MU accountants would be flipping their lid.
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  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Hiltaldo wrote:
    Football is big money and nobody wants to upset the apple cart. Football is an endurance sport and players and clubs use every avenue and benefit they can get. They just don’t get the scrutiny unless it’s a recreational drug and that’s more for moral reasons!


    Every avenue and benefit they can get ....


    ....... blimey - it's almost like marginal gains.



    Oh.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    If the over paid prima donna footballers, and their sport, took drug testing seriously, they would complete the whereabouts system themselves, be in the habit of updating the system regularly, and it really then wouldn't have been diiffcult for Sanchez to know where he would be at breakfast time that day.
    It's an utter joke the clubs do this for them (or don't do it as actually seems to be the case.....)
    If I ran a club with players worth tens of millions of pounds, I'd employ someone to make sure it gets done properly.

    If i was worth tens of millions of pounds and the whereabouts system was a potential risk to my income Id do it myself to be sure.

    What?

    Why would a club doping programme cut wages for caught players?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Look, I'm no apologist for doping in football, but some posters here seem to be massively eager to create some sort of scandal where there isn't one. Some also seem to be doing so with no idea of how whereabouts is implemented in football. It would be laughable if it wasn't so desperate.

    Clubs fail to update whereabouts, clubs are fined. Not players. Individual players don't have a whereabouts failure count held, clubs do. A whereabouts failure is counted for the club regardless of which player may have been missing, so a club can have three whereabouts failures and be fined due to three different players.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Look, I'm no apologist for doping in football, but some posters here seem to be massively eager to create some sort of scandal where there isn't one. Some also seem to be doing so with no idea of how whereabouts is implemented in football. It would be laughable if it wasn't so desperate.

    Clubs fail to update whereabouts, clubs are fined. Not players. Individual players don't have a whereabouts failure count held, clubs do. A whereabouts failure is counted for the club regardless of which player may have been missing, so a club can have three whereabouts failures and be fined due to three different players.

    To be fair, fining a football team a couple of hundred grand is like fining me 40p for eating a bag of crisps too many.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Look, I'm no apologist for doping in football, but some posters here seem to be massively eager to create some sort of scandal where there isn't one. Some also seem to be doing so with no idea of how whereabouts is implemented in football. It would be laughable if it wasn't so desperate.

    Clubs fail to update whereabouts, clubs are fined. Not players. Individual players don't have a whereabouts failure count held, clubs do. A whereabouts failure is counted for the club regardless of which player may have been missing, so a club can have three whereabouts failures and be fined due to three different players.
    I'm not sure you are right there.

    There's both an international and a national testing pool which have update their whereabouts (much like the UCI testing pool). All the top players such as Sanchez will be on this.

    On top of this the clubs have to give details of where the club is training etc so testers can turn up and test at random and test fringe players. This is what Manchester City fell foul of - not three players missing tests.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Look, I'm no apologist for doping in football, but some posters here seem to be massively eager to create some sort of scandal where there isn't one. Some also seem to be doing so with no idea of how whereabouts is implemented in football. It would be laughable if it wasn't so desperate.

    Clubs fail to update whereabouts, clubs are fined. Not players. Individual players don't have a whereabouts failure count held, clubs do. A whereabouts failure is counted for the club regardless of which player may have been missing, so a club can have three whereabouts failures and be fined due to three different players.
    I'm not sure you are right there.

    There's both an international and a national testing pool which have update their whereabouts (much like the UCI testing pool). All the top players such as Sanchez will be on this.

    On top of this the clubs have to give details of where the club is training etc so testers can turn up and test at random and test fringe players. This is what Manchester City fell foul of - not three players missing tests.

    Interesting take. Certainly in competition tests are take by various authorities, depending on the competition - UEFA conducts testing at Champions League, for example, and the Premier League (or FA?) for domestic matches. I'm not sure this translates into separate whereabouts provisions though.

    I should have been clearer that clubs can be fined (I think - happy to be shown otherwise) for a) Failing to notify that a particular player would be absent from the training they'd notified or b) failing to notify the correct time/place for training.

    It's possible that the first case there might have some responsibility from both player and club, and that it might depend on which testing pool a player is in. How does the international testing pool work? Are you in it from your first cap or something?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Joelsim wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Look, I'm no apologist for doping in football, but some posters here seem to be massively eager to create some sort of scandal where there isn't one. Some also seem to be doing so with no idea of how whereabouts is implemented in football. It would be laughable if it wasn't so desperate.

    Clubs fail to update whereabouts, clubs are fined. Not players. Individual players don't have a whereabouts failure count held, clubs do. A whereabouts failure is counted for the club regardless of which player may have been missing, so a club can have three whereabouts failures and be fined due to three different players.

    To be fair, fining a football team a couple of hundred grand is like fining me 40p for eating a bag of crisps too many.

    More like 4p, tbh.
    Managers can get 50k fine for arguing with a ref -as a personal fine.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Managers can get 50k fine and not even notice
    FTFY
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:

    I should have been clearer that clubs can be fined (I think - happy to be shown otherwise) for a) Failing to notify that a particular player would be absent from the training they'd notified or b) failing to notify the correct time/place for training.
    I think you may very be right. But a player of Sanchez's status (or more or less any first team Premiership regular) still needs to do the personal whereabouts the same as any other athlete.

    With the Manchester City thing they may well have been turning up to test specific players on that program who had put that as their hour location (and missed them) but probably not the same ones more than once.


    How much they test though, who knows. I heard the Radio 5 Sports Panel show discussing this a while back and the high level athletes on that seemed to think their 4-6 tests a year was sufficient.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    The bottom line with this is that in a kardishified* world we all want to know every detail of move for our entertainment.

    But we won't get it. Because that's how it should be. Froome isn't riding so it's not an issue yet. We will know when we know.

    *Kardashification - my invented word - the process by which people believe that they a right to someone's private information just because they are famous.

    Edit: Several people have already invented this word
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,438
    RichN95 wrote:
    The bottom line with this is that in a kardishified* world we all want to know every detail of move for our entertainment.

    But we won't get it. Because that's how it should be. Froome isn't riding so it's not an issue yet. We will know when we know.

    *Kardashification - my invented word - the process by which people believe that they a right to someone's private information just because they are famous.

    Edit: Several people have already invented this word

    Trumpetymology*

    *Claiming words already invented as your own
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Cos e-sports is a thing now

    https://kotaku.com/infamous-atari-playe ... 1822511777

    Edit:. And I gather the fallout had been similar in the e-sports netosphere as when He Who Shall Not be Named finally fell.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Have we done the heroin trade mafia at the head of amateur boxing's governing body yet?

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... ised-crime
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Have we done the heroin trade mafia at the head of amateur boxing's governing body yet?

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... ised-crime

    Yeah, but... did he take an extra puff of his asthma inhaler?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    CAS comes to the rescue.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-olympics/42901377
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    CAS comes to the rescue.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-olympics/42901377

    FFS
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Why would Man City want to subvert the Whereabouts and drug testing protocols?

    Hmmm *rubs chin*
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,235
    Clenbuterol + British sportsperson. Dan? Dan?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/42972647
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    Nothing to see here. Move along

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... health-rfu

    Less than 15% of tests are blood. The total number works out at around 1 test per player per season in the premiership.
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