Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Not drugs but surely related.
I expect Dan Roan to be all over this any minute now, demanding answers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42723116
Just turn left, instead of where you were turning right, into the velodrome, Dan. :roll:"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Nah, Dan Roan doesn't get involved with that sort of, you know, real stuff. He wants a role in Icarus 2.
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It's Oscar season and Fogel fancies his chances so he's saying whatever will keep his profile high (lots of Academy members in UK) and appear as though his film is 'important'. (Despite what that article says, the nominations aren't known yet)orraloon wrote:Nah, Dan Roan doesn't get involved with that sort of, you know, real stuff. He wants a role in Icarus 2.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/42723660
(BTW I saw Three Billboards tonight - the Oscar favourite - highly recommended)Twitter: @RichN950 -
That sort of report really annoys me - it's so straightforward to say "I've got suspicions about a few specific [Nationality] athletes" without specifying who they are and immediately there are conclusions leapt to about who they might be, and why the appropriate anti-doping body has clearly done nothing about them. When there might be absolutely nothing evidence based to support the suspicions, and nothing that the anti-doping bodies could actually investigate, and even if they did and found nothing there'd be no report / outcome.orraloon wrote:Nah, Dan Roan doesn't get involved with that sort of, you know, real stuff. He wants a role in Icarus 2.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/42723660
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That sort of report really annoys me - it's so straightforward to say "I've got suspicions about a few specific [Nationality] athletes" without specifying who they are and immediately there are conclusions leapt to about who they might be, and why the appropriate anti-doping body has clearly done nothing about them. When there might be absolutely nothing evidence based to support the suspicions, and nothing that the anti-doping bodies could actually investigate, and even if they did and found nothing there'd be no report / outcome.orraloon wrote:Nah, Dan Roan doesn't get involved with that sort of, you know, real stuff. He wants a role in Icarus 2.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/42723660
If you've got a dossier of info that needs investigating, and it is entirely factual - just publish it anonymously on a forum somewhere, send a hard copy to a journo and send it to the anti doping body.
It's got a bit of McCarthy's briefcase about it hasn't it.
Everyone's got suspicions around a few specific athletes, so it's not really news.0 -
Balanced and succinct comment in The Times today. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/righ ... 73bd8eede80
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A French tennis player called Alize Cornet has had three whereabouts failures in a year. Not interesting in itself - she's ranked about 40th in the World.
But she has said she will keep playing on until her hearing (as is her right). I wonder if the French media will see this as disgraceful as a non-French cyclist doing it.
(As an aside - I'm surprised no-one has thought to highlight the scandal of botox being used in Saudi Arabian Camel beauty contests: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... tox-cheats . Now that's a doping story.)Twitter: @RichN950 -
^the camel beauty contest botox scandal is EVERYTHING
and the one story that's not giving me the hump0 -
RichN95 wrote:A French tennis player called Alize Cornet has had three whereabouts failures in a year. Not interesting in itself - she's ranked about 40th in the World.
But she has said she will keep playing on until her hearing (as is her right). I wonder if the French media will see this as disgraceful as a non-French cyclist doing it.
(As an aside - I'm surprised no-one has thought to highlight the scandal of botox being used in Saudi Arabian Camel beauty contests: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... tox-cheats . Now that's a doping story.)
yes but Tennis doesn't have a doping problem. It's probably just a genuine mistake
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this has parralels to Armitsteads 3 strikes. its the athletes fault or bad time management on their behalf. they are delusional if they think their attitude is ok...sherer wrote:RichN95 wrote:A French tennis player called Alize Cornet has had three whereabouts failures in a year. Not interesting in itself - she's ranked about 40th in the World.
But she has said she will keep playing on until her hearing (as is her right). I wonder if the French media will see this as disgraceful as a non-French cyclist doing it.
(As an aside - I'm surprised no-one has thought to highlight the scandal of botox being used in Saudi Arabian Camel beauty contests: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... tox-cheats . Now that's a doping story.)
yes but Tennis doesn't have a doping problem. It's probably just a genuine mistake0 -
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read that this morning.. Wenger was saying it was the clubs fault for not updating the whereabouts. Surely it's the responsibility of each individual.. putting that onto the club sets a dangerous precedent .. not sure what WADA would say if you ended up missing 3 tests and claimed innocence0
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We done Santi Cazorla (of Arsenal) on his ongoing ankle problems:
"The first operation was risky. The problem was my skin. I'd had a lot of corticosteroids during my career and the skin was quite deteriorated."
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sherer wrote:read that this morning.. Wenger was saying it was the clubs fault for not updating the whereabouts. Surely it's the responsibility of each individual.. putting that onto the club sets a dangerous precedent .. not sure what WADA would say if you ended up missing 3 tests and claimed innocence
Its a joke. Miss three tests and your club will be fined. I'm sure most clubs would take that."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
It's the clubs responsibility in football, they notify when their training times are, and if players will be absent. Sanchez missing is Arsenal's responsibility and really shouldn't be overanalysed - and I say that as an Arsenal fan who has the distinct hump with Sanchez. It's just a mistake on a day where there was a load of stuff going on. There's plenty to dig into in football, but this isn't worth more than a shrug.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Rick Chasey wrote:We done Santi Cazorla (of Arsenal) on his ongoing ankle problems:
"The first operation was risky. The problem was my skin. I'd had a lot of corticosteroids during my career and the skin was quite deteriorated."
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Par for the course to have local injections of corticosteroids. It absolutely wrecks careers though, along with painkiller abuse. There's a difference between local injections and those designed to release throughout the body, but it's part of the reason I couldn't get very worked up re Wiggins.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:It's the clubs responsibility in football, they notify when their training times are, and if players will be absent. Sanchez missing is Arsenal's responsibility and really shouldn't be overanalysed - and I say that as an Arsenal fan who has the distinct hump with Sanchez. It's just a mistake on a day where there was a load of stuff going on. There's plenty to dig into in football, but this isn't worth more than a shrug.
how come ferdinand was banned then if it was Manure's fault?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
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This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
It should be down to the individual, not the club to update their whereabouts. Why is football allowed to do it differently from other sports? Or are these multi-millionaires incapable?
Also the confirmed available testing slot surely can't be allowed to be the same time each and every day?
(I do appreciate that the testers could turn up at a different time but then the player be suddenly be off shopping....)0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:It's the clubs responsibility in football, they notify when their training times are, and if players will be absent. Sanchez missing is Arsenal's responsibility and really shouldn't be overanalysed - and I say that as an Arsenal fan who has the distinct hump with Sanchez. It's just a mistake on a day where there was a load of stuff going on. There's plenty to dig into in football, but this isn't worth more than a shrug.
how come ferdinand was banned then if it was Manure's fault?
In Rio F's case it wasn't a whereabouts violation - testers had already arrived at the training ground and he'd been told he had been selected for a test. It was after that he went walkabout / shopping / to a local clinic to get his levels of recreational drugs tested (delete as appropriate).0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:It should be down to the individual, not the club to update their whereabouts. Why is football allowed to do it differently from other sports? Or are these multi-millionaires incapable?
Also the confirmed available testing slot surely can't be allowed to be the same time each and every day?
(I do appreciate that the testers could turn up at a different time but then the player be suddenly be off shopping....)
There are stories of some clubs holding players passports, because so many of them were turning up to go on overseas trips / matches without them. Being totally focused on making it as a pro from a young age results in a lack of general life skills / common sense you'd normally expect in 20 something adults.
Your whereabouts slot can indeed be the same time and location each day - a lot of athletes put down there home address and between 7 and 8am say, because they know they'll be there at that time each day (obviously updating ADAMS when they go off on camps / events).
That doesn't preclude testers turning up outside of the declared whereabouts slot - but you can't be hit with a whereabouts violation if they can't find you in that case - but as soon as you are told you've been selected for a test you have to go through with it. Usually there's a UKAD chaperone who stays with the athlete until they produce a sample - not sure what happened in the Rio case unless UKAD were sloppy or he deliberately gave them the slip.0 -
Yeah. The testers should have tested him immediately they found him. But Ferguson told them to wait until training was over. So they waited inside and Ferdinand then forgot to meet them.YorkshireRaw wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:It's the clubs responsibility in football, they notify when their training times are, and if players will be absent. Sanchez missing is Arsenal's responsibility and really shouldn't be overanalysed - and I say that as an Arsenal fan who has the distinct hump with Sanchez. It's just a mistake on a day where there was a load of stuff going on. There's plenty to dig into in football, but this isn't worth more than a shrug.
how come ferdinand was banned then if it was Manure's fault?
In Rio F's case it wasn't a whereabouts violation - testers had already arrived at the training ground and he'd been told he had been selected for a test. It was after that he went walkabout / shopping / to a local clinic to get his levels of recreational drugs tested (delete as appropriate).Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Yeah. The testers should have tested him immediately they found him. But Ferguson told them to wait until training was over. So they waited inside and Ferdinand then forgot to meet them.YorkshireRaw wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:It's the clubs responsibility in football, they notify when their training times are, and if players will be absent. Sanchez missing is Arsenal's responsibility and really shouldn't be overanalysed - and I say that as an Arsenal fan who has the distinct hump with Sanchez. It's just a mistake on a day where there was a load of stuff going on. There's plenty to dig into in football, but this isn't worth more than a shrug.
how come ferdinand was banned then if it was Manure's fault?
In Rio F's case it wasn't a whereabouts violation - testers had already arrived at the training ground and he'd been told he had been selected for a test. It was after that he went walkabout / shopping / to a local clinic to get his levels of recreational drugs tested (delete as appropriate).
You don't have to give a sample immediately - obvs in some cases you simply can't go - but that's where the chaperone is supposed to keep you in sight / close proximity at all times, once you've been told you're being tested. I've liaised with testers for a Marathon elite field - the chaperones even go off to medical with athletes etc if they need to post race. But then I guess Fergie was maybe a bit more intimidating than a 7 stone Kenyan lady.0 -
(When I said tested him immediately, I meant taken him away for testing immediately)YorkshireRaw wrote:
You don't have to give a sample immediately - obvs in some cases you simply can't go - but that's where the chaperone is supposed to keep you in sight / close proximity at all times, once you've been told you're being tested. I've liaised with testers for a Marathon elite field - the chaperones even go off to medical with athletes etc if they need to post race. But then I guess Fergie was maybe a bit more intimidating than a 7 stone Kenyan lady.
This was 2003 though. I think things were a bit more sloppy in those days.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Yeah. The testers should have tested him immediately they found him. But Ferguson told them to wait until training was over. So they waited inside and Ferdinand then forgot to meet them.YorkshireRaw wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:It's the clubs responsibility in football, they notify when their training times are, and if players will be absent. Sanchez missing is Arsenal's responsibility and really shouldn't be overanalysed - and I say that as an Arsenal fan who has the distinct hump with Sanchez. It's just a mistake on a day where there was a load of stuff going on. There's plenty to dig into in football, but this isn't worth more than a shrug.
how come ferdinand was banned then if it was Manure's fault?
In Rio F's case it wasn't a whereabouts violation - testers had already arrived at the training ground and he'd been told he had been selected for a test. It was after that he went walkabout / shopping / to a local clinic to get his levels of recreational drugs tested (delete as appropriate).
Coolio - thank you guys!Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
RichN95 wrote:With the Sanchez thing, at the beginning of that week he didn't even know what team he'd be playing for at the end of the week (it could have be one of four), so he had his work cut out working out where he would be.
That's no excuse! And have we confirmed that this was his first missed test?!?!?0 -
I don't think any of us have his phone number.dish_dash wrote:RichN95 wrote:With the Sanchez thing, at the beginning of that week he didn't even know what team he'd be playing for at the end of the week (it could have be one of four), so he had his work cut out working out where he would be.
That's no excuse! And have we confirmed that this was his first missed test?!?!?
(I'm not saying it's an excuse, and neither is he, but it was an unusually hectic week for him and it probably didn't even occur to him)Twitter: @RichN950 -
dish_dash wrote:RichN95 wrote:With the Sanchez thing, at the beginning of that week he didn't even know what team he'd be playing for at the end of the week (it could have be one of four), so he had his work cut out working out where he would be.
That's no excuse! And have we confirmed that this was his first missed test?!?!?
Probably, given the chances of being selected for an OOC test in UK football is something like once every other season (on average).0
