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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    It's not every performance since 2005. There also has to have been a certain number of out of competition tests in the preceding months, plus never serving a subsequent ban and some other stuff. So they would need to go down the list of people since ticking off all the requirements until they get to one that works.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Change the competitive distances from metric to imperial.
    The current records are frozen in time.
    The standard is set at the last recorded time over the imperial distance.

    That's that sorted.

    So el guerrouj keeps his mile record but loses the 1500m. Cool.


    Freeze the mile too.
    No one cares. It's not at the Olympics.
    But we can all get excited about the 3500 cubits showdown in 2020
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    TailWindHome wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Change the competitive distances from metric to imperial.
    The current records are frozen in time.
    The standard is set at the last recorded time over the imperial distance.

    That's that sorted.

    So el guerrouj keeps his mile record but loses the 1500m. Cool.


    Freeze the mile too.
    No one cares. It's not at the Olympics.
    But we can all get excited about the 3500 cubits showdown in 2020
    I would go with 20 chains.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    SPaM02 wrote:
    Makes no sense to me. It's potentially denying clean athletes who were unlucky enough to compete at a time when dope testing was less sophisticated that post-2005 standards. Some of the WR's being wiped are iconic moments in the sport.

    It's a double whammy too in some cases as clean athletes may well have missed out on Olympic or World titles to people who doped but didn't get caught. The doper keeps their title, the clean athlete loses their record. I really can't believe that someone thought about the suggestion for more than a millisecond and still put it forward.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Change the competitive distances from metric to imperial.
    The current records are frozen in time.
    The standard is set at the last recorded time over the imperial distance.

    That's that sorted.

    So el guerrouj keeps his mile record but loses the 1500m. Cool.


    Freeze the mile too.
    No one cares. It's not at the Olympics.
    But we can all get excited about the 3500 cubits showdown in 2020
    I would go with 20 chains.

    That's just silly.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    All running records must set by running downhill - 10% gradient at least
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ^Cheers. I just recalled Chris Froome running up that hill. That was good cycling non-cycling moment.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Just add 10 metres to every distance.

    Job done.
    _
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    The nautical mile? I don't think that has been contested in living memory.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    The nautical mile? I don't think that has been contested in living memory.
    I'm running it tonight just so I can get a WR
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    Pross wrote:
    SPaM02 wrote:
    Makes no sense to me. It's potentially denying clean athletes who were unlucky enough to compete at a time when dope testing was less sophisticated that post-2005 standards. Some of the WR's being wiped are iconic moments in the sport.

    It's a double whammy too in some cases as clean athletes may well have missed out on Olympic or World titles to people who doped but didn't get caught. The doper keeps their title, the clean athlete loses their record. I really can't believe that someone thought about the suggestion for more than a millisecond and still put it forward.

    Be interested to know which records people think are genuinely clean?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    Be interested to know which records people think are genuinely clean?
    I just can't picture Jonathon Edwards doping. He used to refuse to compete on Sundays.
    And Jan Zelezny looked like some average bloke off the street.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    RichN95 wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    Be interested to know which records people think are genuinely clean?
    I just can't picture Jonathon Edwards doping. He used to refuse to compete on Sundays.
    And Jan Zelezny looked like some average bloke off the street.

    And then he (JE) didn't - the old 'if you don't like my principles I can get new ones' maybe.... Not accusing JE BTW, but spouting religious beliefs doesn't discount one from doping - every American sprinter who gets busted references God in their defence.

    Zelezny was Rock n Roll. Javelin is one of the events where timing and release angle probably play as much a part as brute (and potentially doped) strength, certainly compared to the 'heavy' throwing events.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    RichN95 wrote:
    All running records must set by running downhill - 10% gradient at least

    That's just dangerous!!!!
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    sherer wrote:
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    The nautical mile? I don't think that has been contested in living memory.
    I'm running it tonight just so I can get a WR

    Just remember to put a jar of piss in the fridge or it won't count
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    The nautical mile? I don't think that has been contested in living memory.
    I'm running it tonight just so I can get a WR

    Just remember to put a jar of wee-wee in the fridge or it won't count
    I keep three in there at all times anyway.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,334
    sherer wrote:
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    The nautical mile? I don't think that has been contested in living memory.
    I'm running it tonight just so I can get a WR

    Just remember to put a jar of wee-wee in the fridge or it won't count
    I keep three in there at all times anyway.

    Or "Budweiser", as I believe it's more popularly known.
    Twitter: @canocola @thedreadships
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    Be interested to know which records people think are genuinely clean?
    I just can't picture Jonathon Edwards doping. He used to refuse to compete on Sundays.
    And Jan Zelezny looked like some average bloke off the street.

    And then he (JE) didn't - the old 'if you don't like my principles I can get new ones' maybe.... Not accusing JE BTW, but spouting religious beliefs doesn't discount one from doping - every American sprinter who gets busted references God in their defence.

    Zelezny was Rock n Roll. Javelin is one of the events where timing and release angle probably play as much a part as brute (and potentially doped) strength, certainly compared to the 'heavy' throwing events.

    Goldie Sayers is still waiting for her Olympic medal from 2008 won because she was beaten by a doper.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    Be interested to know which records people think are genuinely clean?
    I just can't picture Jonathon Edwards doping. He used to refuse to compete on Sundays.
    And Jan Zelezny looked like some average bloke off the street.

    And then he (JE) didn't - the old 'if you don't like my principles I can get new ones' maybe.... Not accusing JE BTW, but spouting religious beliefs doesn't discount one from doping - every American sprinter who gets busted references God in their defence.

    Zelezny was Rock n Roll. Javelin is one of the events where timing and release angle probably play as much a part as brute (and potentially doped) strength, certainly compared to the 'heavy' throwing events.
    "Despite previously being so staunchly religious that he would not compete on a Sunday, Edwards has lost his faith. His father worked as a vicar and after his competitive sporting career Edwards went on to present the BBC's Songs Of Praise. But the triple jumper world record holder quit in 2007 after suffering much personal turmoil which resulted in the total loss of his religious beliefs."
    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news ... without-it

    Well I don't know where this puts the argument. He likes his cycling.

    I'm a million people from one day to the next, with drugs in sport. We know it happens, it always probably will. Really I should just give up following it, but I don't. Never done any drugs in my life apart from medical reasons. Sad to hear it hit the Giro. Bitter Sweet!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    FocusZing wrote:
    "Despite previously being so staunchly religious that he would not compete on a Sunday, Edwards has lost his faith. His father worked as a vicar and after his competitive sporting career Edwards went on to present the BBC's Songs Of Praise. But the triple jumper world record holder quit in 2007 after suffering much personal turmoil which resulted in the total loss of his religious beliefs."
    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news ... without-it
    I know all that. I mention his no Sundays stance as it doesn't suggest a win at all costs mentality
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ^Right you are. YorkshireRaw covered that aspect.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    RichN95 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    "Despite previously being so staunchly religious that he would not compete on a Sunday, Edwards has lost his faith. His father worked as a vicar and after his competitive sporting career Edwards went on to present the BBC's Songs Of Praise. But the triple jumper world record holder quit in 2007 after suffering much personal turmoil which resulted in the total loss of his religious beliefs."
    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news ... without-it
    I know all that. I mention his no Sundays stance as it doesn't suggest a win at all costs mentality

    Maybe the real reason in didn't compete on a Sunday was because it was transfusion day? :wink:
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ^Ha
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Edwards went to the same college at Durham as me. Some time before me though...

    Apparently once he stopped having the pressure of competing he stopped believing in God. Some combination of having more free time and the change in perspective.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Cheers. He certainly had his jumping technique spot on.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Pross wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    "Despite previously being so staunchly religious that he would not compete on a Sunday, Edwards has lost his faith. His father worked as a vicar and after his competitive sporting career Edwards went on to present the BBC's Songs Of Praise. But the triple jumper world record holder quit in 2007 after suffering much personal turmoil which resulted in the total loss of his religious beliefs."
    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news ... without-it
    I know all that. I mention his no Sundays stance as it doesn't suggest a win at all costs mentality

    Maybe the real reason in didn't compete on a Sunday was because it was transfusion day? :wink:
    Literally consuming the blood of Christ?
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Apparently once he stopped having the pressure of competing he stopped believing in God. Some combination of having more free time and the change in perspective.

    This happens a lot more than is reported.
    _
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Apparently once he stopped having the pressure of competing he stopped believing in God. Some combination of having more free time and the change in perspective.

    This happens a lot more than is reported.

    Not too surprising - I guess with him it was quite high profile compared to maybe some others since he had presented Songs of Praise etc.

    Not to be confused with this Jon Edwards https://www.johnedward.net/ :D
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    Be interested to know which records people think are genuinely clean?
    I just can't picture Jonathon Edwards doping. He used to refuse to compete on Sundays.
    And Jan Zelezny looked like some average bloke off the street.

    And then he (JE) didn't - the old 'if you don't like my principles I can get new ones' maybe.... Not accusing JE BTW, but spouting religious beliefs doesn't discount one from doping - every American sprinter who gets busted references God in their defence.

    Zelezny was Rock n Roll. Javelin is one of the events where timing and release angle probably play as much a part as brute (and potentially doped) strength, certainly compared to the 'heavy' throwing events.

    Goldie Sayers is still waiting for her Olympic medal from 2008 won because she was beaten by a doper.

    Not disputing that and no idea if Jan Z was at it or not, was a general response for Javelin vs other throws. Clearly there's still an advantage to be had from doping - and history has demonstrated that women benefit more than men, relatively speaking.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Pross wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    "Despite previously being so staunchly religious that he would not compete on a Sunday, Edwards has lost his faith. His father worked as a vicar and after his competitive sporting career Edwards went on to present the BBC's Songs Of Praise. But the triple jumper world record holder quit in 2007 after suffering much personal turmoil which resulted in the total loss of his religious beliefs."
    http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news ... without-it
    I know all that. I mention his no Sundays stance as it doesn't suggest a win at all costs mentality

    Maybe the real reason in didn't compete on a Sunday was because it was transfusion day? :wink:


    Transubstantiation day

    (my Catholic schooling showing, there)

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