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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    I'm hearing disturbing rumours that a player in a winning team in Hockey Wales Challenge semi-final may have taken several ibuprofen before the match.

    His apparent excuse is that Requiem for a Dream was in Film 4 at 1am and he had a couple of Duvels in the fridge. And also he has a dodgy achilles due to being fat.

    I think Damien Collins needs to haul this man before the committee to answer questions.

    Still we won. 5-2.

    Are you spitting in the soup?
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I'm hearing disturbing rumours that a player in a winning team in Hockey Wales Challenge semi-final may have taken several ibuprofen before the match.

    His apparent excuse is that Requiem for a Dream was in Film 4 at 1am and he had a couple of Duvels in the fridge. And also he has a dodgy achilles due to being fat.

    I think Damien Collins needs to haul this man before the committee to answer questions.

    Still we won. 5-2.

    Are you spitting in the soup?
    More like mea culpa :wink:
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,728
    Fancy Bears have hacked the IAAF.
    Could be fun. :P

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39477302
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    edited April 2017
    Seppelt's latest ARD doco shown last night on Germany telly is about 2016 retests of samples from Beijing 2008 resulting in (un-named) Jamaican male sprinters testing positive for clen. WADA confirmed to Seppelt that are samples with a 'very low level of clen', but because of the contaminated meat shiz in China, its 'accepted' when these tests are flagged as positive. "When the levels are not consistent with direct injection of clen, it's accepted to not flag them as positive' said WADA.

    Doco went on to say that it could be unlikely that the Jamaicans ate tainted meat as they had their own cook in Beijing, followed rules in the food prep etc.

    Also interviewed a Mexican former doping dealer of Caribbean athletes: 'Jamaican trainers asked me a lot of questions before 2008, they wanted to know exactly how much clen works for sprinters. I am 100% sure the Jamaicans used clen as a form of doping in that time.'

    *cue drum roll*


    sorry, edited above after Rich reposted
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Seppelt's latest ARD doco shown last night on Germany telly is about clen pozzies from Beijing 2008 that weren't pursued. Stern stares at athletics, in particular male Jamaican sprinters. Responses based around defence that clen amounts were below the WADA threshold.

    Bert's steak-carrying mates get around.
    It's in China though, were the meat contamination is known (and probably wasn't publicised in 2008). People have avoided a ban for this before (although been DQed from the actual race).
    But it will play big with those that know little of doping.

    Usain Bolt (if he's involved) can probably afford better lawyers than Mick Rogers
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    RichN95 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Seppelt's latest ARD doco shown last night on Germany telly is about clen pozzies from Beijing 2008 that weren't pursued. Stern stares at athletics, in particular male Jamaican sprinters. Responses based around defence that clen amounts were below the WADA threshold.

    Bert's steak-carrying mates get around.
    It's in China though, were the meat contamination is known (and probably wasn't publicised in 2008). People have avoided a ban for this before (although been DQed from the actual race).
    But it will play big with those that know little of doping.

    Usain Bolt (if he's involved) can probably afford better lawyers than Mick Rogers



    durm durm durrrrrrrrmmmmm
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    ATT forumites only the Chinese use clen to grow food quicker. The spanish have never used it

    :roll:
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    ATT forumites only the Chinese use clen to grow food quicker. The spanish have never used it

    :roll:

    You will be aware of the fact that Spanish meat is controlled for Clenbuterol and has a clean bill of health? This was covered extensively at the time of Contador's positive.
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    RichN95 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Seppelt's latest ARD doco shown last night on Germany telly is about clen pozzies from Beijing 2008 that weren't pursued. Stern stares at athletics, in particular male Jamaican sprinters. Responses based around defence that clen amounts were below the WADA threshold.

    Bert's steak-carrying mates get around.
    It's in China though, were the meat contamination is known (and probably wasn't publicised in 2008). People have avoided a ban for this before (although been DQed from the actual race).
    But it will play big with those that know little of doping.

    Usain Bolt (if he's involved) can probably afford better lawyers than Mick Rogers

    Im in China at the moment, does anyone know how much steak I need to eat for it to help improve my strava stats ?
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    sherer wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Seppelt's latest ARD doco shown last night on Germany telly is about clen pozzies from Beijing 2008 that weren't pursued. Stern stares at athletics, in particular male Jamaican sprinters. Responses based around defence that clen amounts were below the WADA threshold.

    Bert's steak-carrying mates get around.
    It's in China though, were the meat contamination is known (and probably wasn't publicised in 2008). People have avoided a ban for this before (although been DQed from the actual race).
    But it will play big with those that know little of doping.

    Usain Bolt (if he's involved) can probably afford better lawyers than Mick Rogers

    Im in China at the moment, does anyone know how much steak I need to eat for it to help improve my strava stats ?

    Nice one :lol:
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,168
    sherer wrote:

    Im in China at the moment, does anyone know how much steak I need to eat for it to help improve my strava stats ?

    Try the local version of Rocky Mountain Oysters.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    I see mr Tucker has been riding his hobby horse on this one.

    "Bottom line – many of these samples could well be contamination cases. But they are just as likely, if not more, to be doping cases"

    Stated with absolutely NO evidence to back his claim.

    I only read his blog to wind myself up.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Kenyan marathon runner in expo shock

    London and Olympic marathon winner busted for epo
  • spam02
    spam02 Posts: 178
    http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39510588

    Perhaps he forgot because his water was spiked :D
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I see mr Tucker has been riding his hobby horse on this one.

    "Bottom line – many of these samples could well be contamination cases. But they are just as likely, if not more, to be doping cases"

    Stated with absolutely NO evidence to back his claim.

    I only read his blog to wind myself up.

    I still don't understand why his twitter feed has any relevance to anything and why it is so often quoted on here.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    gsk82 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I see mr Tucker has been riding his hobby horse on this one.

    "Bottom line – many of these samples could well be contamination cases. But they are just as likely, if not more, to be doping cases"

    Stated with absolutely NO evidence to back his claim.

    I only read his blog to wind myself up.

    I still don't understand why his twitter feed has any relevance to anything and why it is so often quoted on here.

    Cuz he is the self-proclaimed Grand Vizier of the Anti-Doping movement...
  • spam02
    spam02 Posts: 178
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39664382

    I think a ban for stupidity rather than anything more sinister. I have a tiny (tiny) amount of sympathy for her.
    Still, like L.D, if you miss one test, let alone two, you better make sure your whereabouts is kept updated with military precision.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    At least her reasons for missing them seem valid - pretty dumb not to learn from numbers 1 and 2 though!
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    the thing is all she needs to do is fill in where she will be for one hour a day, she even could have filled in the event named after her as the place. Not read the full ruling but the BBC makes it sound as if she didn't even have anything entered for some days
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    And if you want to be really cynical you could see it as having 2 brilliant excuses for "forgetting" to fill in her whereabouts.

    As an athlete in this day and age, there shouldn't be any excuses for 3 missed tests.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    The man who catches marathon cheats - from his home
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    TailWindHome wrote:
    The man who catches marathon cheats - from his home

    I can't decide who is sadder... the cheats or the guy catching them...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    dish_dash wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    The man who catches marathon cheats - from his home

    I can't decide who is sadder... the cheats or the guy catching them...

    Different sides of the same coin :P.
    _
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    I sat on a plane next to the Argentina rugby 7's manager a couple of weeks ago and enjoyed a varied conversation with him. He was mentioning how fast, physical and impact heavy rugby had become, even in 7's, where they have 10 international tournaments in 6 months every season (HK, Singapore etc..). The players have a high injury rate, get worn down and recovery is at a premium. With the increased exposure of the game, improvements are happening in exponential jumps. The team and players acroos all sides know each other well over the course of a year and when they get together for the first tournament after the 6 month break there are always 'surprises'. Players who were 95kg are now 105 with bulging necks.

    7's was introduced into the Rio Olympics for the first time and in the pre games build up, 5 Kenyan players tested positive. They wanted Kenya kicked out but decided the bad publicity as 7's was introduced would be counter productive. The players were however banned. Kenya won the Singapore 7's competition last year.

    Makes you wonder how the Kenya rugby players were able to link into a sophisticated doping culture so smoothly... I'm sure it has no bearing on their long distance runners.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Heard Sharapova being interviewed on the BBC yesterday and the interviewer (Russell Fuller) was talking about the tennis authorities announcing they are going to increase testing. He actually asked Sharapova if the testing would be too intrusive. Can you imagine a journalist asking a top pro cyclist that question?
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Bo Duke wrote:
    Makes you wonder how the Kenya rugby players were able to link into a sophisticated doping culture so smoothly... I'm sure it has no bearing on their long distance runners.

    That's a bit of a tenuous link, tbh. You seem to be implying some sort of general doping infrastructure, rather than specialised pathways to PEDs that are dependant on the particular sport. I'm far from sure it works like that.

    Also, the Kenyan runners don't seem to get busted very often, while the rugby players did....
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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Also, the Kenyan runners don't seem to get busted very often, while the rugby players did....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-39261891?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=590325d4e4b053c7bc78d4f6%26Two%20Kenyan%20athletes%20fail%20doping%20test%26&ns_fee=0&ocid=socialflow_twitter#post_590325d4e4b053c7bc78d4f6

    http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/04/28/athletics-kenya-says-another-high-profile-athlete-failed-doping-test_c1552115

    BBC say 2 more Kenya long distance runners positive but the names not yet released. Rumours elsewhere say there are 4 positives.

    The Kenyan runners are getting busted pretty regularly now (50 in 4 years). Well the ladies are anyway.
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Bo Duke wrote:
    I sat on a plane next to the Argentina rugby 7's manager a couple of weeks ago and enjoyed a varied conversation with him. He was mentioning how fast, physical and impact heavy rugby had become, even in 7's, where they have 10 international tournaments in 6 months every season (HK, Singapore etc..). The players have a high injury rate, get worn down and recovery is at a premium. With the increased exposure of the game, improvements are happening in exponential jumps. The team and players acroos all sides know each other well over the course of a year and when they get together for the first tournament after the 6 month break there are always 'surprises'. Players who were 95kg are now 105 with bulging necks.

    7's was introduced into the Rio Olympics for the first time and in the pre games build up, 5 Kenyan players tested positive. They wanted Kenya kicked out but decided the bad publicity as 7's was introduced would be counter productive. The players were however banned. Kenya won the Singapore 7's competition last year.

    Makes you wonder how the Kenya rugby players were able to link into a sophisticated doping culture so smoothly... I'm sure it has no bearing on their long distance runners.

    There can't be any doping in sevens rugby. Ross Tucker used to be a consultant for the SA rugby sevens team so they must be clean. :roll:
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Pross wrote:
    Heard Sharapova being interviewed on the BBC yesterday and the interviewer (Russell Fuller) was talking about the tennis authorities announcing they are going to increase testing. He actually asked Sharapova if the testing would be too intrusive. Can you imagine a journalist asking a top pro cyclist that question?


    The BBC. The same organisation that pays the fearless Dan Roan et al.

    LMAO
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Bo Duke wrote:
    Makes you wonder how the Kenya rugby players were able to link into a sophisticated doping culture so smoothly... I'm sure it has no bearing on their long distance runners.

    That's a bit of a tenuous link, tbh. You seem to be implying some sort of general doping infrastructure, rather than specialised pathways to PEDs that are dependant on the particular sport. I'm far from sure it works like that.

    Also, the Kenyan runners don't seem to get busted very often, while the rugby players did....


    They do. It's a mahoosive issue.

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