Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Rick Chasey wrote:
Can you imagine the sh1t-storm that would rain down on the sport of cycling if Chris Froome or any other cyclist failed to attend for a drugs test? It would end their careers and seriously damage cycling. It doesn't even cause a ripple in the pond when it comes to soccer though. Bloody joke.
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Dolan Driver wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
Can you imagine the sh1t-storm that would rain down on the sport of cycling if Chris Froome or any other cyclist failed to attend for a drugs test? It would end their careers and seriously damage cycling. It doesn't even cause a ripple in the pond when it comes to soccer though. Bloody joke.
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Was just going to post that the only Man Utd story currently on the first page of the BBC website is the £40,000,000.00 signing of Matic. Dan Roan nowhere to be seen. Double standards indeed. And I say that being more of a football fan than cycling fan0 -
Dolan Driver wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
Can you imagine the sh1t-storm that would rain down on the sport of cycling if Chris Froome or any other cyclist failed to attend for a drugs test? It would end their careers and seriously damage cycling. It doesn't even cause a ripple in the pond when it comes to soccer though. Bloody joke.
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Jones and Blind did not miss the test.
Jones has been charged for abusive language and aggression towards the doping control officials and Blind charged for not reporting to doping control immediately after the game.
The punishments are ridiculous imo. Whilst the language and aggression is inexcusable, they had just won the second biggest European trophy and wanted to celebrate on the field with their teammates.
As I understand both players did take the test and passed.0 -
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Suck it up, lads0 -
FA claims to have the most extensive testing regime in sport, upping its numbers to 5000 tests per year :roll:0
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Must be that the BBC are just as unaware of the fact that footballers have to take random drugs tests, as the players. :roll:"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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redvision wrote:Dolan Driver wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
Can you imagine the sh1t-storm that would rain down on the sport of cycling if Chris Froome or any other cyclist failed to attend for a drugs test? It would end their careers and seriously damage cycling. It doesn't even cause a ripple in the pond when it comes to soccer though. Bloody joke.
DD.
Jones and Blind did not miss the test.
Jones has been charged for abusive language and aggression towards the doping control officials and Blind charged for not reporting to doping control immediately after the game.
The punishments are ridiculous imo. Whilst the language and aggression is inexcusable, they had just won the second biggest European trophy and wanted to celebrate on the field with their teammates.
As I understand both players did take the test and passed.
So they didn't follow protocol but it's OK as they'd just won a big game? Surely the reasons they are supposed to go straight to doping control are obvious? Can you imagine if Froome had delayed going to doping control after winning the Tour? Is your username potentially showing your loyalties in this case?0 -
yeah seems a strange one, as we know saline drips can be used to dilute blood, and a delay can reduce glow time too. Luckily drugs have never been used in football so it isn't an issue.0
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redvision wrote:They had just won the second biggest European trophy and wanted to celebrate on the field with their teammates.
Oh, well in that case it's absolutely fine.
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Pross wrote:redvision wrote:Dolan Driver wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
Can you imagine the sh1t-storm that would rain down on the sport of cycling if Chris Froome or any other cyclist failed to attend for a drugs test? It would end their careers and seriously damage cycling. It doesn't even cause a ripple in the pond when it comes to soccer though. Bloody joke.
DD.
Jones and Blind did not miss the test.
Jones has been charged for abusive language and aggression towards the doping control officials and Blind charged for not reporting to doping control immediately after the game.
The punishments are ridiculous imo. Whilst the language and aggression is inexcusable, they had just won the second biggest European trophy and wanted to celebrate on the field with their teammates.
As I understand both players did take the test and passed.
So they didn't follow protocol but it's OK as they'd just won a big game? Surely the reasons they are supposed to go straight to doping control are obvious? Can you imagine if Froome had delayed going to doping control after winning the Tour? Is your username potentially showing your loyalties in this case?
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Read the article. They were posing for a picture in tribute to the Manchester bombing victims. They were on the pitch and had a chaperone with them.
I think the doping controllers could have used some common sense.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
None of that is in the article0
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Timoid. wrote:Read the article. They were posing for a picture in tribute to the Manchester bombing victims. They were on the pitch and had a chaperone with them.
I think the doping controllers could have used some common sense.
Where did you get that? The article linked above says Blind wanted to celebrate on the pitch with his team mates. In your version of events then yes, it seems heavy handed but there is absolutely no mention of that in the article.0 -
Pross wrote:Timoid. wrote:Read the article. They were posing for a picture in tribute to the Manchester bombing victims. They were on the pitch and had a chaperone with them.
I think the doping controllers could have used some common sense.
Where did you get that? The article linked above says Blind wanted to celebrate on the pitch with his team mates. In your version of events then yes, it seems heavy handed but there is absolutely no mention of that in the article.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... a-13411501Pross wrote:
So they didn't follow protocol but it's OK as they'd just won a big game? Surely the reasons they are supposed to go straight to doping control are obvious? Can you imagine if Froome had delayed going to doping control after winning the Tour? Is your username potentially showing your loyalties in this case?
It makes no difference which club i support. I would always argue against such a punishment in similar circumstances as it is way over the top. If the players had completely refused to take the test or left the view of the doping control officials then thats a different matter...0 -
Pross wrote:Timoid. wrote:Read the article. They were posing for a picture in tribute to the Manchester bombing victims. They were on the pitch and had a chaperone with them.
I think the doping controllers could have used some common sense.
Where did you get that? The article linked above says Blind wanted to celebrate on the pitch with his team mates. In your version of events then yes, it seems heavy handed but there is absolutely no mention of that in the article.
Apologies for confusion. I read a slightly different article and assumed that the ITV one would likewise include all pertinent facts. the events are explained better here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... fa-doping/
And here is the picture that the hoo ha is all about:
It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
tim000 wrote:it dose seem that as cycling fans we are looking to throw as much s#@t as possible at other sports to try to justify the past . this is a complete non story . :roll:
No, I think it is more the case that we want to see the same amount of sh1t thrown at other sports as is thrown at cycling whenever there is an issue with drugs. The very first post in this topic questions the media and its double-standard when it comes to doping in cycling versus doping in all other sports. I think the questions regarding the media's general coverage of doping remain.
Some sports today exhibit the same lax attitude to PEDs that cycling did circa 1994! Soccer and Rugby come to mind where athletes, federations and the associated media seem to promote the idea that "there is nothing to see here, move along"!
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Timoid. wrote:Read the article. They were posing for a picture in tribute to the Manchester bombing victims. They were on the pitch and had a chaperone with them.
I think the doping controllers could have used some common sense.
why couldnt they just delay taking the photo till after the doping procedures had been done and all the players were available ? it doesnt exactly look the most spontaneous of coming togethers,and appears to have been taken in their dressing room.0 -
Could it be they stayed on for the photo but then wanted to stay on for the celebrations too?0
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looks nothing like a dressing room . there is a big fence behind them with a large banner on it .awavey wrote:Timoid. wrote:Read the article. They were posing for a picture in tribute to the Manchester bombing victims. They were on the pitch and had a chaperone with them.
I think the doping controllers could have used some common sense.
why couldnt they just delay taking the photo till after the doping procedures had been done and all the players were available ? it doesnt exactly look the most spontaneous of coming togethers,and appears to have been taken in their dressing room.0 -
Pross wrote:Could it be they stayed on for the photo but then wanted to stay on for the celebrations too?
And what would be wrong with that? That is part of the sport. Take that away and you take away the sport.
Why can't we just worry about cycling on this forum?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Well if Jones really, really, really wanted to stay out for the picture, then that should obviously excuse verbally abusing the tester.
I've more sympathy for Blind, it doesn't seem like he had any idea he was doing something against regulations, as he had a UEFA chaperone with him. You'd have thought the chaperone would tell him he had to go straight away wouldn't you?0 -
Timoid. wrote:Pross wrote:Could it be they stayed on for the photo but then wanted to stay on for the celebrations too?
And what would be wrong with that? That is part of the sport. Take that away and you take away the sport.
Why can't we just worry about cycling on this forum?
Makes me feel better, obvs.0 -
What I don't get is that if they extended the verbal abuse rules to referees, there'd not be many players on the pitch the following two weeks.
IMO, this was a stupid move by the testers and uefa.0 -
wombly knees wrote:What I don't get is that if they extended the verbal abuse rules to referees, there'd not be many players on the pitch the following two weeks.
Seems to work with rugby though.....not quite sure why football gets a free pass on this one.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
Whilst I do think its fair game to expect all sports to be held to the same standards ref doping, I also think the media is right to focus on those sports where doping has the biggest impact.
Its unquestionably true that a footballer who can last 90 minutes better by training with EPO / steroids etc could be "better" than he would be without the doping, doping won't (other than obliquely) have an impact on his level of skill.
Cycling and athletics, particularly the endurance end of those sports, both place relatively little emphasis on skills, so the impact of doping is higher.
Perhaps with some justification, those journalists that focus on doping investigations emphasise those sports where there is a higher premium on the physical factors vs the skills elements.
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wombly knees wrote:What I don't get is that if they extended the verbal abuse rules to referees, there'd not be many players on the pitch the following two weeks.
They did this last year. https://www.premierleague.com/news/652400 -
Larkim - the Premier League suggest the average player will run between 10 and 12 kms in a match.
I think that's towards the endurance end of sports' spectrum.
Pretty sure doping would significantly enhance their performance.0 -
It's always been in the Laws, but for some reason it's rarely implemented. If referees applied the Laws rigourously the game would clean up very quickly as soon as teams were losing due to their ill discipline.wombly knees wrote:What I don't get is that if they extended the verbal abuse rules to referees, there'd not be many players on the pitch the following two weeks.
IMO, this was a stupid move by the testers and uefa.0
