Drugs in other sports and the media.

Richmond Racer 2

sherer wrote:

depressing reading, although it reminds be of the CIRC report, where some says x% of people are doing this and it's taken as fact.

Im off to China in a week so least I know what products to purchase now

Doing your best to promote the local economy : - )

carbonclem

bompington wrote:

"50% feel the use of performance enhancing drugs is widespread"
Glad we've got some hard facts to go on then

If you get beaten, its easy to believe the person who beat you 'must' be doped

dennisn

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

spam02

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/39333763

Footballers and pain killers. It's ok though because they're legal drugs. Not a chance that they would step over the line and take something stronger.
Nice to see an article about drugs in football drags cycling into it as well, almost like the BBC have a badly hidden agenda or something.

cruff

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

I think you're confusing 'reason' with 'excuse' or 'lie'. He took them because he knew they'd make him faster. For him to say he was curious about HOW fast they'd make him is the most spurious statement ever. If that was the case, why not just ride on his own all the time instead of entering races?

slim_boy_fat

SPaM02 wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/39333763

Footballers and pain killers. It's ok though because they're legal drugs. Not a chance that they would step over the line and take something stronger.
Nice to see an article about drugs in football drags cycling into it as well, almost like the BBC have a badly hidden agenda or something.

Spot on. I see Roan has retweeted the story once. We'll see if he retweets it multiple times as he does with every negative cycling story.

Dorset_Boy

I see Danny Mills mentions the 'pain killing injection', or in other words, the cortisone injection.
Still it's OK for footballers, cricketers (Freddie F) and tennis players to have such injections isn't it Dan Roan?

RichN95.

Is ibuprofen that bad? I often take it to play hockey. A lot of my team do (we're vets players mostly over 40)

Dorset_Boy

I think daily dosages may not be too good for your liver? But then I could be spouting nonsense.

dennisn

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

I think you're confusing 'reason' with 'excuse' or 'lie'. He took them because he knew they'd make him faster. For him to say he was curious about HOW fast they'd make him is the most spurious statement ever. If that was the case, why not just ride on his own all the time instead of entering races?

Are you saying that people who want to go faster and win more, aren't curious as to what drugs, in what combinations, at what times, will do for them? They ARE curious about what drugs to use and how to use them. "reason, excuse, lie, cheating, legal, illegal"? What difference is there in what YOU or I call it? It's all driven by a curiosity to find out how fast, how famous, how rich. Your opinion of doping has zero meaning to the guy trying to win the "big one". He / she will dope to find out how far they can go. i.e. curiosity. It also killed the cat, or so they say.

spam02

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/39333763

Footballers and pain killers. It's ok though because they're legal drugs. Not a chance that they would step over the line and take something stronger.
Nice to see an article about drugs in football drags cycling into it as well, almost like the BBC have a badly hidden agenda or something.

Spot on. I see Roan has retweeted the story once. We'll see if he retweets it multiple times as he does with every negative cycling story.

I see there's also an article on the BBC Cycling pages about an 55 year old amateur cyclist being banned for 2 years for allegedly 'unintentionally' taking mouth ulcer medication which contains a banned substance. Be interesting to see if the BBC report on ageing amateur footballers, rugby players etc. being popped for taking banned substances. Methinks not!

m.r.m.

RichN95 wrote:

Is ibuprofen that bad? I often take it to play hockey. A lot of my team do (we're vets players mostly over 40)

Ibuprofen similar to Aspirin can be hard on your stomach and intestines. It increases your risk of heart attack if taken over a prolonged period or in very high doses. Especially as a veteran athlete, I'd be mindful of the heart attack risk.

If playing hockey is akin to how football/soccer works, I think it just makes sense to sub in and out more often the older you get. Maybe that way you can minimize the stress on your body and can avoid the ibuprofen.

cruff

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

I think you're confusing 'reason' with 'excuse' or 'lie'. He took them because he knew they'd make him faster. For him to say he was curious about HOW fast they'd make him is the most spurious statement ever. If that was the case, why not just ride on his own all the time instead of entering races?

Are you saying that people who want to go faster and win more, aren't curious as to what drugs, in what combinations, at what times, will do for them? They ARE curious about what drugs to use and how to use them. "reason, excuse, lie, cheating, legal, illegal"? What difference is there in what YOU or I call it? It's all driven by a curiosity to find out how fast, how famous, how rich. Your opinion of doping has zero meaning to the guy trying to win the "big one". He / she will dope to find out how far they can go. i.e. curiosity. It also killed the cat, or so they say.

You're being disingenuous. It wasn't an argument about semantics. It was a statement about some muppet using the 'curiosity' argument because he couldn't bring himself to say 'I cheated because I wanted to win'.

RichN95.

SPaM02 wrote:

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/39333763

Footballers and pain killers. It's ok though because they're legal drugs. Not a chance that they would step over the line and take something stronger.
Nice to see an article about drugs in football drags cycling into it as well, almost like the BBC have a badly hidden agenda or something.

Spot on. I see Roan has retweeted the story once. We'll see if he retweets it multiple times as he does with every negative cycling story.

I see there's also an article on the BBC Cycling pages about an 55 year old amateur cyclist being banned for 2 years for allegedly 'unintentionally' taking mouth ulcer medication which contains a banned substance. Be interesting to see if the BBC report on ageing amateur footballers, rugby players etc. being popped for taking banned substances. Methinks not!

It would be interesting to see them report the result of any race with a 55 year in it as well.

They'll report cheating in a Port Talbot club race, but not the result of most Women's World Tour races unless Armitstead wins.

spam02

RichN95 wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

I see there's also an article on the BBC Cycling pages about an 55 year old amateur cyclist being banned for 2 years for allegedly 'unintentionally' taking mouth ulcer medication which contains a banned substance. Be interesting to see if the BBC report on ageing amateur footballers, rugby players etc. being popped for taking banned substances. Methinks not!

It would be interesting to see them report the result of any race with a 55 year in it as well.

They'll report cheating in a Port Talbot club race, but not the result of most Women's World Tour races unless Armitstead wins.

True. Shame Jeannie Longo's not still riding*. The BBC could smugly tick all the boxes then.

(*not really)

Just had a look at Dan Roan's Twitter feed. I think he's in the wrong job. It's like an 'anti-sport' rant.
Maybe it's not just cycling that he has something against.

bobmcstuff

dennisn wrote:

It's all driven by a curiosity to find out how fast, how famous, how rich.

Curiosity about how rich they can get??

Isn't that called something else - greed?

dennisn

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

I think you're confusing 'reason' with 'excuse' or 'lie'. He took them because he knew they'd make him faster. For him to say he was curious about HOW fast they'd make him is the most spurious statement ever. If that was the case, why not just ride on his own all the time instead of entering races?

Are you saying that people who want to go faster and win more, aren't curious as to what drugs, in what combinations, at what times, will do for them? They ARE curious about what drugs to use and how to use them. "reason, excuse, lie, cheating, legal, illegal"? What difference is there in what YOU or I call it? It's all driven by a curiosity to find out how fast, how famous, how rich. Your opinion of doping has zero meaning to the guy trying to win the "big one". He / she will dope to find out how far they can go. i.e. curiosity. It also killed the cat, or so they say.

You're being disingenuous. It wasn't an argument about semantics. It was a statement about some muppet using the 'curiosity' argument because he couldn't bring himself to say 'I cheated because I wanted to win'.

That they got caught cheating and didn't want to use the word cheating is a given. That's everybody and anybody. Cheater, con man, doper, muppet, moron, shit for brains. whatever ya wanna call them, they are still just people out there saying to themselves "I wonder if this drug combo will help me more than that drug combo?". Curious. i don't think they are lying when they say they were curious. They are just NOT saying what YOU want to hear and what YOU think they should say.

Pross

SPaM02 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

I see there's also an article on the BBC Cycling pages about an 55 year old amateur cyclist being banned for 2 years for allegedly 'unintentionally' taking mouth ulcer medication which contains a banned substance. Be interesting to see if the BBC report on ageing amateur footballers, rugby players etc. being popped for taking banned substances. Methinks not!

It would be interesting to see them report the result of any race with a 55 year in it as well.

They'll report cheating in a Port Talbot club race, but not the result of most Women's World Tour races unless Armitstead wins.

True. Shame Jeannie Longo's not still riding*. The BBC could smugly tick all the boxes then.

(*not really)

Just had a look at Dan Roan's Twitter feed. I think he's in the wrong job. It's like an 'anti-sport' rant.
Maybe it's not just cycling that he has something against.

Yep, swimming in his sights now although at least in this case they haven't named the coach in question which is how it should be until anything is proven. It will be net resting to see what the bullying allegations in this case involve. Obviously if there is any form of genuine bullying action is needed but maybe it really is a case of some people in a tough, competitive environment being more sensitive than others. Hopefully they will be able to investigate without the media trying to set the agenda but now Roan has his claws in it I doubt that will be allowed to happen.

spam02

Pross wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

I see there's also an article on the BBC Cycling pages about an 55 year old amateur cyclist being banned for 2 years for allegedly 'unintentionally' taking mouth ulcer medication which contains a banned substance. Be interesting to see if the BBC report on ageing amateur footballers, rugby players etc. being popped for taking banned substances. Methinks not!

It would be interesting to see them report the result of any race with a 55 year in it as well.

They'll report cheating in a Port Talbot club race, but not the result of most Women's World Tour races unless Armitstead wins.

True. Shame Jeannie Longo's not still riding*. The BBC could smugly tick all the boxes then.

(*not really)

Just had a look at Dan Roan's Twitter feed. I think he's in the wrong job. It's like an 'anti-sport' rant.
Maybe it's not just cycling that he has something against.

Yep, swimming in his sights now although at least in this case they haven't named the coach in question which is how it should be until anything is proven. It will be net resting to see what the bullying allegations in this case involve. Obviously if there is any form of genuine bullying action is needed but maybe it really is a case of some people in a tough, competitive environment being more sensitive than others. Hopefully they will be able to investigate without the media trying to set the agenda but now Roan has his claws in it I doubt that will be allowed to happen.

I think British Swimming has a bit of a rep for that though. I seem to remember a previous coach or director (I think he was Australian) being accused of bullying and leaving under a cloud. As you say it may be a case of some athletes being a bit more sensitive and not capable of dealing with blunt/straight talking management as opposed to actual bullying. No doubt Roan will milk this for all it's worth before moving on to the next easy target.

RichN95.

SPaM02 wrote:

I think British Swimming has a bit of a rep for that though. I seem to remember a previous coach or director (I think he was Australian) being accused of bullying and leaving under a cloud. As you say it may be a case of some athletes being a bit more sensitive and not capable of dealing with blunt/straight talking management as opposed to actual bullying. No doubt Roan will milk this for all it's worth before moving on to the next easy target.

Bill Sweetenham. I think there was quite a bit of politics involved in that - regional coaches defending their cosy little areas with little need for results. He was the one who brought Tim Kerrison to the UK.

cruff

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

I think you're confusing 'reason' with 'excuse' or 'lie'. He took them because he knew they'd make him faster. For him to say he was curious about HOW fast they'd make him is the most spurious statement ever. If that was the case, why not just ride on his own all the time instead of entering races?

Are you saying that people who want to go faster and win more, aren't curious as to what drugs, in what combinations, at what times, will do for them? They ARE curious about what drugs to use and how to use them. "reason, excuse, lie, cheating, legal, illegal"? What difference is there in what YOU or I call it? It's all driven by a curiosity to find out how fast, how famous, how rich. Your opinion of doping has zero meaning to the guy trying to win the "big one". He / she will dope to find out how far they can go. i.e. curiosity. It also killed the cat, or so they say.

You're being disingenuous. It wasn't an argument about semantics. It was a statement about some muppet using the 'curiosity' argument because he couldn't bring himself to say 'I cheated because I wanted to win'.

That they got caught cheating and didn't want to use the word cheating is a given. That's everybody and anybody. Cheater, con man, doper, muppet, moron, shoot for brains. whatever ya wanna call them, they are still just people out there saying to themselves "I wonder if this drug combo will help me more than that drug combo?". Curious. i don't think they are lying when they say they were curious. They are just NOT saying what YOU want to hear and what YOU think they should say.

Nope. They're saying exactly what everyone says because they can't admit the truth publically, which is that they're a dirty cheat who wasn't strong enough to win a cat 3 race without cheating his way to doing it. Attempting to dress it up as anything other than cheating by blaming it on 'curiosity' is sad, and I find your attitude to it somewhat odd. It seems almost sympathetic somehow - like it can be sort of 'justified'?

Maybe that's not your intent and I'm just reading it wrong

itboffin

M.R.M. wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Is ibuprofen that bad? I often take it to play hockey. A lot of my team do (we're vets players mostly over 40)

Ibuprofen similar to Aspirin can be hard on your stomach and intestines. It increases your risk of heart attack if taken over a prolonged period or in very high doses. Especially as a veteran athlete, I'd be mindful of the heart attack risk.

If playing hockey is akin to how football/soccer works, I think it just makes sense to sub in and out more often the older you get. Maybe that way you can minimize the stress on your body and can avoid the ibuprofen.

Shite i hope not because​ my broken arse body lives on Ibuprofen sometimes the prescription only version, I'm so broken hands knees & toes is a distance dream

dennisn

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Cruff wrote:

Love the frube being interviewed - he took PEDs out of 'curiosity'. Aye - curiosity at how much fcuking faster they'd make him. Why do people trot out this sh*t every time they get popped? It's the same from the top right the way to the bottom. Mugs.

OK, taking them out of curiosity is not a very good reason but it is a reason and I'm sure plenty of people actually do it just for that reason. Not too many other reasons are there? They do it to see how fast they can go, how strong they can get, how big their muscles will get, how much money they can make, etc. It's all a sort of curiosity(and desire) about how much more.

I think you're confusing 'reason' with 'excuse' or 'lie'. He took them because he knew they'd make him faster. For him to say he was curious about HOW fast they'd make him is the most spurious statement ever. If that was the case, why not just ride on his own all the time instead of entering races?

Are you saying that people who want to go faster and win more, aren't curious as to what drugs, in what combinations, at what times, will do for them? They ARE curious about what drugs to use and how to use them. "reason, excuse, lie, cheating, legal, illegal"? What difference is there in what YOU or I call it? It's all driven by a curiosity to find out how fast, how famous, how rich. Your opinion of doping has zero meaning to the guy trying to win the "big one". He / she will dope to find out how far they can go. i.e. curiosity. It also killed the cat, or so they say.

You're being disingenuous. It wasn't an argument about semantics. It was a statement about some muppet using the 'curiosity' argument because he couldn't bring himself to say 'I cheated because I wanted to win'.

That they got caught cheating and didn't want to use the word cheating is a given. That's everybody and anybody. Cheater, con man, doper, muppet, moron, shoot for brains. whatever ya wanna call them, they are still just people out there saying to themselves "I wonder if this drug combo will help me more than that drug combo?". Curious. i don't think they are lying when they say they were curious. They are just NOT saying what YOU want to hear and what YOU think they should say.

Nope. They're saying exactly what everyone says because they can't admit the truth publically, which is that they're a dirty cheat who wasn't strong enough to win a cat 3 race without cheating his way to doing it. Attempting to dress it up as anything other than cheating by blaming it on 'curiosity' is sad, and I find your attitude to it somewhat odd. It seems almost sympathetic somehow - like it can be sort of 'justified'?

Maybe that's not your intent and I'm just reading it wrong

My intent is to say that people dope trying to find a way to get bigger biceps, faster on a bike. They want to know what works. Curiosity. I'm thinking you're not so interested in their reasons as you are in what they say or don't say, and what they say and don't say ticks you off. You want them to say what you want them to say. Sorry about your luck. They don't care what you want. It's a given they are cheats. They're not lying about why. They really do want to know what works and what doesn't whether it's legal or not. Sure it's cheating but curiosity as to how and why things work or don't is their first step. Why do people read books? To find out what the story is. To find out the ending. To learn about something or some place. Curious. They are lying about NOT doing drugs, but you knew that. Right?

r0bh

Manchester​ City broke the FA's anti-doping rules three times in less than five months.

Full story: https://t.co/gXhp3kgHuH

According to the BBC's Simon Stone "the three breaches of the whereabouts rule were relatively low level" so that's OK then.

RichN95.

Nothing to do with doping, but it's nice to see the BBC reporting a proper scandal. Where is the commons select committee about this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/hockey/39380389

Richmond Racer 2

RichN95 wrote:

Nothing to do with doping, but it's nice to see the BBC reporting a proper scandal. Where is the commons select committee about this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/hockey/39380389

#istandwithcardiff

Pross

Seems clear to me, rules are rules. It's black and white with no grey areas

No_Ta_Doctor

It's clearly blatant cheating to have so many full internationals at one club. They should be docked points for it.

spam02

RichN95 wrote:

Nothing to do with doping, but it's nice to see the BBC reporting a proper scandal. Where is the commons select committee about this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/hockey/39380389

The problem is it's not a big enough scandal yet to make it onto Roan's Twatter feed. Someone needs to accuse Hockey England of bullying to really light a fire under this story.

Pross

Chuck in the racism card for good measure too.