Drugs in other sports and the media.

shinyhelmut

Stuttgart tennis tournament to reschedule matches to allow Sharapova to compete. Her ban ends on day 3 of the tournament but, because the organisers are so keen to let her take part, she is being given a wild card and her matches are being scheduled to start on the wednesday.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/01/sharapova-to-return-from-ban-in-april-at-stuttgart-event/63228/

I suppose this is OK because tennis doesn't have a drug problem....

sherer

ShinyHelmut wrote:

Stuttgart tennis tournament to reschedule matches to allow Sharapova to compete. Her ban ends on day 3 of the tournament but, because the organisers are so keen to let her take part, she is being given a wild card and her matches are being scheduled to start on the wednesday.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/01/sharapova-to-return-from-ban-in-april-at-stuttgart-event/63228/

I suppose this is OK because tennis doesn't have a drug problem....

I read the CAS ruling when it came out and was amazed that at no point during the hearing was it even questioned why she was taking melodonin, or whether the medical diagnoses was correct.

pedro118118

The Man City store will be swept under the carpet sharpish by all concerned for obvious commercial reasons..........'journalists' the like fo Matt Lawton and Dan Roan will have no appetite to persue further as they operate in their own moral vaccuum where they won't entertain biting the hand that feeds them. As for SKY/BC, I'm simply waiting for the outcome of the UKAD investigation before hyper-speculating. Agree the whole thing has been a PR disaster, but I simply don't see any smoke to suggest there is/has been a fire, yet. The moral argument is, of course, completely subjective...

Dorset_Boy

Have any of the forum twitters called out the journos on the Ma City story and questioned why they aren't making it into a big story?

RichN95.

Dorset Boy wrote:

Have any of the forum twitters called out the journos on the Ma City story and questioned why they aren't making it into a big story?

Because it's just an admin error. There's no reason that Manchester City can be expected to keep their paperwork in order, they don't have the resources Lizzie Armitstead does.

Dorset_Boy

You have to search hard to spot the story on the Mail website, though Lawton claims it was on the back page of the printed paper this morning.
Was Pep in charge at Barcelona when they were 'allegedly' doped to the eyeballs?

RichN95.

Dorset Boy wrote:

You have to search hard to spot the story on the Mail website, though Lawton claims it was on the back page of the printed paper this morning.
Was Pep in charge at Barcelona when they were 'allegedly' doped to the eyeballs?

He even served a short ban after testing positive for nandrolone

sherer

RichN95 wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

You have to search hard to spot the story on the Mail website, though Lawton claims it was on the back page of the printed paper this morning.
Was Pep in charge at Barcelona when they were 'allegedly' doped to the eyeballs?

He even served a short ban after testing positive for nandrolone

as did Zidane. Wasn't the whole Juve team on something at the time ?

RichN95.

sherer wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

You have to search hard to spot the story on the Mail website, though Lawton claims it was on the back page of the printed paper this morning.
Was Pep in charge at Barcelona when they were 'allegedly' doped to the eyeballs?

He even served a short ban after testing positive for nandrolone

as did Zidane. Wasn't the whole Juve team on something at the time ?

I think that the famous match fixing scandal a few years back had originally started out as an investigation into doping at Juventus.

Paulie Walnuts

The Juve doctor got convicted of supplying the team with epo during the mid 90s. Apparently there was a video knocking about of a few players in the changing rooms jabbing up, though this could be nonsense.

RichN95.

Paulie Walnuts wrote:

The Juve doctor got convicted of supplying the team with epo during the mid 90s. Apparently there was a video knocking about of a few players in the changing rooms jabbing up, though this could be nonsense.

There's this video of Cannavaro (from 1999): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8Ro3eJsjY

I'm not sure what it shows though. They managed to explain it away

Paulie Walnuts

Never seen that before thanks, big Fabio looks to be enjoying himself though.

Weren't intravenous vitamin injections big in football in the 90s? Ranieri used to get his players on an iron drip if I remember correctly.

rick_chasey

BigBean mentions it about 150 pages back.Gary Neville.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... enn-hoddle

"He also believed in alternative methods, including Eileen Drewery, the faith healer, who'd visited the camp a few times before the World Cup. As a bit of a sceptic, I'd never gone to see her. When the 1998 World Cup started, some of the players started taking injections from Glenn's favourite medic, a Frenchman called Dr Rougier. It was different from anything we'd done at United, but all above board, I'm sure.

"After some of the lads said they'd felt a real burst of energy, I decided to seize any help on offer. So many of the players decided to go for it before that Argentina match that there was a queue to see the doctor.

What else happened during the same week as the '98 world cup?

gweeds

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-athletes

Dorset_Boy

So why can't the cycling teams complete the whereabouts for their riders?
Is it a UCI rule that individual riders are responsible rather than their teams?

With Man City's global stars disappearing off around the world at regular intervals to play internationals, surely the same principles should apply.

Maybe the journos would like to pick up on this.

kingstongraham

So a football player can't get a ban for not being where his team said he would be any number of times? Only by failing a test, or running away when the testers show up?

gweeds

It's ok though. That huge £25k fine will hurt Man City enough to make sure they don't do it again.

sherer

KingstonGraham wrote:

So a football player can't get a ban for not being where his team said he would be any number of times? Only by failing a test, or running away when the testers show up?

As Rio found out, if the testers turn up and you disappear off to go shopping \ have a hair cut then you get an 8 month ban.

stagehopper

sherer wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

So a football player can't get a ban for not being where his team said he would be any number of times? Only by failing a test, or running away when the testers show up?

As Rio found out, if the testers turn up and you disappear off to go shopping \ have a hair cut then you get an 8 month ban.

If you not there you don't get a ban - it's the club's fault.

If you're there and do a runner after being told you're going to be tested you get a ban.

kingstongraham

stagehopper wrote:

sherer wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

So a football player can't get a ban for not being where his team said he would be any number of times? Only by failing a test, or running away when the testers show up?

As Rio found out, if the testers turn up and you disappear off to go shopping \ have a hair cut then you get an 8 month ban.

If you not there you don't get a ban - it's the club's fault.

If you're there and do a runner after being told you're going to be tested you get a ban.

So the training schedule could just be fiction, and they never get tested but the club has to pay a fine every now and then. Great system.

gweeds

Imagine that in cycling. The media would go insane.

bobmcstuff

I'd argue that since cyclists are in a team, participate in team training camps, race as teams etc. the logic for treating them differently to footballers is a bit flaky...

kingstongraham

Weird, because the FA's guidelines say (for players not in the international or national testing pool who have to file individual whereabouts):

TheFA wrote:

15. Missed tests (Players not in the IRTP or NRTP):
(a) A Player who is not an IRTP Player or an NRTP Player shall be deemed to be
aware of the whereabouts information provided by his Club to The FA further to
Regulation 14, and must be present and available for drug testing in accordance
with that whereabouts information. If such Player is not present and available for
drug testing in accordance with that whereabouts information on any occasion,
then (subject only to Regulations 15(b) and 15(c)) he shall be deemed to have
missed a test and will be so notified by The FA. Any Player who is deemed to have
missed a test may be targeted for testing. It is a breach of this Regulation 15 for a
Player who is not an IRTP Player or an NRTP Player to miss three tests within any
12 month period.
(b) Any Player born on or before 31 August 1998 who is not present and available for
drug testing at the squad time and location stated in the whereabouts information
provided by his Club will be deemed to have missed a test unless he satisfies the
following two conditions:
(i) In advance of such absence, he provides The FA with details of an
alternative venue at which he will be present and available for drug
testing, which must include a stipulated 60 minute time slot during which
such testing may take place. This time slot must be on the same day as
the Player’s absence, must be between 6am and 11pm, and must not
commence for at least two hours from the time that the Player notifies
The FA of his absence; and
(ii) He is present and available for drug testing at that alternative venue for
the whole of the 60 minute time slot stipulated by him.
(c) Any Player born on or after 1 September 1998 at a Club with an Under 18 squad
in Professional Development League 1 (this excludes Professional Development
Leagues 2 and 3) who is not present and available for drug testing at the squad
time and location provided in the whereabouts information submitted by his Club
will be deemed to have missed a test unless he satisfies one of the following two
conditions:
(i) He notifies The FA of his absence in advance of that absence; or
(ii) Following that absence, he provides The FA with independent
corroborative evidence of the reason for that absence.
(d) It is the responsibility of each Player to make himself familiar with and to comply
with any and all requirements of this Regulation that apply to him.
(e) This Regulation does not apply to Players who are included in the IRTP or the
NRTP for the period that they are so included.
(f) For a violation of Regulation 15, a minimum of one year’s suspension and a
maximum of two years’ suspension must be imposed, based on the Player’s
degree of Fault.

stagehopper

KingstonGraham wrote:

stagehopper wrote:

sherer wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

So a football player can't get a ban for not being where his team said he would be any number of times? Only by failing a test, or running away when the testers show up?

As Rio found out, if the testers turn up and you disappear off to go shopping \ have a hair cut then you get an 8 month ban.

If you not there you don't get a ban - it's the club's fault.

If you're there and do a runner after being told you're going to be tested you get a ban.

So the training schedule could just be fiction, and they never get tested but the club has to pay a fine every now and then. Great system.

Indeed.

The details here are incredible:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 24771.html

Shadowrider

Jamaican 4x100 mens relay team stripped of Gold from 2008 Olympics

Richmond Racer 2

Shadowrider wrote:

Jamaican 4x100 mens relay team stripped of Gold from 2008 Olympics

Cos of Nestor thingy*


*cant be arsed to look up his name

joelsim

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Shadowrider wrote:

Jamaican 4x100 mens relay team stripped of Gold from 2008 Olympics

Cos of Nestor thingy*


*cant be arsed to look up his name

Get Carter.

rick_chasey

Good job cycling bans don't work like that....

ridgerider

Why not...?

smoggysteve

Joelsim wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Shadowrider wrote:

Jamaican 4x100 mens relay team stripped of Gold from 2008 Olympics

Cos of Nestor thingy*


*cant be arsed to look up his name

Get Carter.

Bolt loses his historic triple triple cos of the actions of another runner. Seems an injustice for him.