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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    If the UCI want to fund all medical supervision to be provided by a UCI-provided pool of doctors at all WT, HC, .1s and .2 races, and ban team docs from attending races, hey, no skin off my nose

    Gonna need a big pool of docs. Mahoosive.
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    Because they don't already have medical support at all UCI races?
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    The UCI does not provide individual medical support for riders. And the existing provision could not cover the personal requirements of 200+ riders each night... that's why there are team doctors.

    On money, my point is that the arguments for rider safety can be taken to extremes which would be a loss to the sport both for participant and the viewer.

    Ultimately we're all going to die... we may as well do it doing what we love, eh?
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Dinyull wrote:
    Because they don't already have medical support at all UCI races?


    See Dish's reply
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Dinyull wrote:

    This is all just playing devils advocate.

    Same, really.

    Although I think there's a difference between patching an athlete up in order to continue and them requiring something like tramadol simply to compete. There's a line somewhere between "treatment for injuries" and "abuse/dependency".
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Dinyull wrote:

    This is all just playing devils advocate.

    Same, really.

    Although I think there's a difference between patching an athlete up in order to continue and them requiring something like tramadol simply to compete. There's a line somewhere between "treatment for injuries" and "abuse/dependency".

    I have my doubts that serious riders give a sh#t about "abuse / dependency". They will generally take what they need to take to get "well". This is most likely true in every sport. Sports are full of people who can't, don't, or won't control their training. Rest is never an option for these type of personalities. They want the "answer" to their issues NOW, and drugs can give it to them.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    https://twitter.com/Nate552/status/787092433876025344
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ddraver wrote:
    Pretty wild but totally believable with more than a fair share of triathletes. Those guys buy into anything.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    For me it shows the total disconnect between sports when it comes to doping attitudes. In one sport it would be career ending, in another sport - which is 1/3 made up of the former sport, it's advertised as a perk...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Jonesinamilion
    Jonesinamilion Posts: 230
    I run on bacon & cheese supplemented with high 5 gel sachets*

    *with caffeine
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd

    What are stable staff doing with 'non permitted' substances.......??? But it's okay according to the BHA.
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  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Dinyull wrote:

    This is all just playing devils advocate.

    Although I think there's a difference between patching an athlete up in order to continue and them requiring something like tramadol simply to compete. There's a line somewhere between "treatment for injuries" and "abuse/dependency".

    I agree with you on that score.

    DD.
  • narbs
    narbs Posts: 593
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    If the UCI want to fund all medical supervision to be provided by a UCI-provided pool of doctors at all WT, HC, .1s and .2 races, and ban team docs from attending races, hey, no skin off my nose

    Gonna need a big pool of docs. Mahoosive.

    UCI just takes all those foreign doctors that Hunt doesn't want or need anymore. Everyone's a winner.
  • narbs
    narbs Posts: 593
    TUEs no problem for Dan Carter. Although I'm wondering why French ADA didn't know about the TUE.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... ench-rugby
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    narbs wrote:
    TUEs no problem for Dan Carter. Although I'm wondering why French ADA didn't know about the TUE.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... ench-rugby


    I think AFLD have the same issue as UKAD appear to have: someone taking bungs from a reporter in exchange for leaking stuff
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    So when rugby players use corticosteriods it's typically to treat joint pain or inflammation, but cyclists use them because they are the most potent performance enhancers known to mankind.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    So when rugby players use corticosteriods it's typically to treat joint pain or inflammation, but cyclists use them because they are the most potent performance enhancers known to mankind.



    Yuss.

    Really its a pity Holy Dave and the Chicken weren't wingers or backs. They could have blown the lid on the game.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,124
    Fallout continues in the Johaug case:

    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2016/10/17/ ... eputation/

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    So when rugby players use corticosteriods it's typically to treat joint pain or inflammation, but cyclists use them because they are the most potent performance enhancers known to mankind.

    To be fair rugby players tend to have localised injections into damaged joints which is permitted without a TUE. That said, I believe the sport has bigger PED issues than that.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Pross wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    So when rugby players use corticosteriods it's typically to treat joint pain or inflammation, but cyclists use them because they are the most potent performance enhancers known to mankind.

    To be fair rugby players tend to have localised injections into damaged joints which is permitted without a TUE. That said, I believe the sport has bigger PED issues than that.

    Agreed. But tennis is the motherload I reckon
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Agreed. But tennis is the motherload I reckon
    No-one will touch tennis. The journos like their seats on centre court and the newspaper editors' wives like the hospitality boxes.
    The big sports offer Wimbledon, Twickenham, Wembley and Lords. Cycling offers a big screen in a school gym in Nantes. That's why 'chief sports writers' go after cycling, so the are excused of going after other sports.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Don't know where else to put this, but in the context of records up mountains to measure performance, how do you guys think this bike stacks up with the best of 2016?

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/pro ... ium=Social
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    edited October 2016
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    "frame made of super-light aluminium tubing and a skinny-looking Shimano Dura-Ace chainset"

    Clipess, sti's. I would like to know the weight? I guess the wheels now have less spokes are lighter? and more aero.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stiffness v weight is the biggie.
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Aluminium is supposed to be stiff but yes the way they layer up carbon now in the BB it can't be as good.

    What do you reckon about weight?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I would imagine the weight would be fairly low, but it'd be (relatively) spongey.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    This bike - my dream bike - is under 7 kilos.

    pantani_1998_mu_bianchi_full_view_600.jpg

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/mar ... rto-corse/
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    edited October 2016
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    "Like Armstrong, Pantani often ran a front down tube shifter to save weight on mountain stages. Aside from that, though, the equipment was fairly standard: a Campagnolo Record 9-speed group, Campagnolo shallow-profile aluminum tubular wheels, an ITM bar and stem and a custom embroidered Selle Italia saddle."

    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/arti ... kes-34375/


    Googles. This one is 17.9lb.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    edited October 2016
    Ha beat me to it. So an exta 1.3kg being similar spec.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I guess my point is we're seeing a bit more power produced by the riders being transferred into speed.

    Kit is underrated when comparing eras.

    I'm measurably quicker on my 7 kilo carbon bike that is very stiff than my £300 steel frame which would pass off as high end 20 years ago.
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