Drugs in other sports and the media.

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  • k-dog
    k-dog Posts: 1,652
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    She's a looker though. Looks and sex appeal for marketing campaigns get you the big money, lawyers and better media treatment.

    Which one would you have preferred on your teenage wall in a provocative pose? Wiggins or Sharapova?

    I dunno, Wiggo in full flow TT is pretty foxy...
    I'm left handed, if that matters.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    She's a looker though. Looks and sex appeal for marketing campaigns get you the big money, lawyers and better media treatment.

    Which one would you have preferred on your teenage wall in a provocative pose? Wiggins or Sharapova?

    You are John Inverdale AICMFP
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    World Champ Canadian pole vaulter tested positive for cocaine before Rio, but cleared to compete

    This is a good 'un



    http://www.crdsc-sdrcc.ca/resource_cent ... 6-0249.pdf
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    World Champ Canadian pole vaulter tested positive for cocaine before Rio, but cleared to compete

    This is a good 'un



    http://www.crdsc-sdrcc.ca/resource_cent ... 6-0249.pdf

    Ha ha, I was just about to post the same thing. Forget about all this boring TUE nonsense, this is a proper doping story:

    Canada’s pole vault world champion Shawn Barber failed an in-competition drugs test for cocaine at the Canadian national championships in July after accidentally ingesting the substance during a sexual encounter he arranged through Craigslist.

    http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured ... pics-52214
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Is that similar to claiming you got a sexual transmitted disease from a toilet seat.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I see he has used the Gasquet defence. A couple of my friends met Gasquet at a party we were at around that time.

    I struggle to see cocaine being used as a performance enhancer these days.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,354
    RichN95 wrote:
    I see he has used the Gasquet defence. A couple of my friends met Gasquet at a party we were at around that time.

    I struggle to see cocaine being used as a performance enhancer these days.

    Not on it's own. According to Wily Vloet in that book, Cocaine was mixed in with other drugs as part of a 'cocktail' - feel good factor when you're plumbing the depths and a pain killer 'just to get through a stage'. But I guess modern testing techniques makes it easy to pick up.
    I think long term Cocaine use restricts the arteries.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Pinno wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I see he has used the Gasquet defence. A couple of my friends met Gasquet at a party we were at around that time.

    I struggle to see cocaine being used as a performance enhancer these days.

    Not on it's own. According to Wily Vloet in that book, Cocaine was mixed in with other drugs as part of a 'cocktail' - feel good factor when you're plumbing the depths and a pain killer 'just to get through a stage'. But I guess modern testing techniques makes it easy to pick up.
    I think long term Cocaine use restricts the arteries.
    The performance gains v risk of detection ratio is probably the worst of any drug bar marjuana
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,354
    RichN95 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I see he has used the Gasquet defence. A couple of my friends met Gasquet at a party we were at around that time.

    I struggle to see cocaine being used as a performance enhancer these days.

    Not on it's own. According to Wily Vloet in that book, Cocaine was mixed in with other drugs as part of a 'cocktail' - feel good factor when you're plumbing the depths and a pain killer 'just to get through a stage'. But I guess modern testing techniques makes it easy to pick up.
    I think long term Cocaine use restricts the arteries.
    The performance gains v risk of detection ratio is probably the worst of any drug bar marjuana

    Funny you should mention that. Some of my volunteers were ex cons. They said if they were on an internal drugs rap and were being tested in a fortnightly basis that Heroin would be out of the system in a few days but Marijuana, up to 3 weeks.
    So for a fix, heroin was a better option! The ex cons suggested that if the screws turned a blind eye to the 'Blow', perhaps there would be less uptake of the harder stuff.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    Oleg Tinkov's recent parting rant contained this particular quote which could be a little worrying for our beloved sport;

    "As I said so many times in the past, you don’t have to be smart or intelligent to suggest what needs to be done for the future of the sport. I believe that ASO should take control, perhaps with a big, deep-pocket financial investor. They should come together and finally buy RCS Sport, which is struggling and full of debt. They have to buy them out and they have to get rid of the UCI. I don’t see any role for the UCI in the management of professional cycling.

    ASO should create a pro league like the NBA and move it to the pay-for-view television model. Cycling has been promoted enough by the socialist state television channels in France, Spain and Italy for long enough. Millions of people love cycling and always will, so the fan base will not disappear if they are asked to pay a little to see it on television; many of them will and everyone will benefit. Who cares if the old woman who likes to look at the French countryside can’t see the Tour anymore? It’s about creating a good business model that works. That way the teams can also get something out of it and survive. Cycling will become much bigger, better and nicer to watch when it becomes a pure business."

    All this talk of huge profits, business models, pay-per-view and other such corporate shyte-talk is something that should possibly cause some concern among fans of the sport of cycling. Big-business sports like tennis are obviously viewed as money-making "products" first-and-foremost, if you consider the recent attitude of the likes of Steve Simon and the WTA who have welcomed back that drugs-cheat with open arms. Maintaining the facade of a drugs-free sport equals greater revenue flowing into the sport and so the lax drugs testing regime within tennis is facilitated. If cycling becomes a billion-dollar super-sport, will cycling return to the bad old days of EPO-fueled mayhem while the sport turns a blind eye with lax testing and suppressed positive tests, all in the name of protecting the "product" and the profits?

    DD.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Given I started watching cycling in '98 I'd be less worried about that, and more about the how the pressures and demands of TV would change the format in ways I don't like.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,354
    In essence I agree DD but I don't think the UCI will react to this in any other way but to pull together thereby negating anything that Tinkov has aired. there may be some elements in the UCI who will be glad to get shot of him.
    The Spanish and the French are hardly going to be enamoured by references to 'Social television'.

    I don't think Sharapova is a 'drug's cheat'. If you take that entrenched view, do you Believe that Wiggins is a drug cheat because of the TUE''s prescribed for him?
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,124
    3 French based rugbymen caught using Cortisone

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/ ... ent/734476

    but don't worry, they are going to sort out those back-dated TUEs, so nothing to see here.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,728
    davidof wrote:
    3 French based rugbymen caught using Cortisone

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/ ... ent/734476

    but don't worry, they are going to sort out those back-dated TUEs, so nothing to see here.

    I wasn't expecting names as big as that when I read your post.
    Only possibly the most famous rugby player on the planet!

    Now in English here:-

    http://www.planetrugby.com/news/carter- ... ds-claims/
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Remember using cortisone to play through an injury in football/rugby/tennis/cricket is brave and shows the player's passion. It's only in cycling where it's immoral because journalists don't get prime stadium seats for cycling.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,354
    RichN95 wrote:
    Remember using cortisone to play through an injury in football/rugby/tennis/cricket is brave and shows the player's passion. It's only in cycling where it's immoral because Ross Tucker doesn't get a prime stadium seat for cycling.

    FTFY
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    RichN95 wrote:
    I see he has used the Gasquet defence. A couple of my friends met Gasquet at a party we were at around that time.

    I struggle to see cocaine being used as a performance enhancer these days.

    It can be used as a masking agent.

    You could argue it's pretty stupid to use coke to mask other drugs, but then you have Sport Federations accepting it wasn't ingested knowingly.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    On the Cricket text feed on the BBC sport website this morning, they're reporting that Liam Plunkett had 'an injection' for a toe injury sustained in the warm up for today's ODI vs Bangladesh, but wasn't fit to play on. This info is presented without a single questioning comment.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Dinyull wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I see he has used the Gasquet defence. A couple of my friends met Gasquet at a party we were at around that time.

    I struggle to see cocaine being used as a performance enhancer these days.

    It can be used as a masking agent.

    You could argue it's pretty stupid to use coke to mask other drugs, but then you have Sport Federations accepting it wasn't ingested knowingly.
    Thought there was some speculation with Paolini that he was using it to counteract the effects of sleeping pill dependency as well.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,354
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    On the Cricket text feed on the BBC sport website this morning, they're reporting that Liam Plunkett had 'an injection' for a toe injury sustained in the warm up for today's ODI vs Bangladesh, but wasn't fit to play on. This info is presented without a single questioning comment.

    I am probably sounding a little pedantic when I say that this particular TUE prescription was as a direct effect of an injury whereas some of the TUE's prescribed to Wiggins was in anticipation of a problem, which is subjective (perhaps).
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Pinno wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    On the Cricket text feed on the BBC sport website this morning, they're reporting that Liam Plunkett had 'an injection' for a toe injury sustained in the warm up for today's ODI vs Bangladesh, but wasn't fit to play on. This info is presented without a single questioning comment.

    I am probably sounding a little pedantic when I say that this particular TUE prescription was as a direct effect of an injury whereas some of the TUE's prescribed to Wiggins was in anticipation of a problem, which is subjective (perhaps).

    or they may have had a visitor waiting in dressing rooms to test him later. Quick, he's hurt, inject the magic masking agent!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,354
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    On the Cricket text feed on the BBC sport website this morning, they're reporting that Liam Plunkett had 'an injection' for a toe injury sustained in the warm up for today's ODI vs Bangladesh, but wasn't fit to play on. This info is presented without a single questioning comment.

    I am probably sounding a little pedantic when I say that this particular TUE prescription was as a direct effect of an injury whereas some of the TUE's prescribed to Wiggins was in anticipation of a problem, which is subjective (perhaps).

    or they may have had a visitor waiting in dressing rooms to test him later. Quick, he's hurt, inject the magic masking agent!

    You might stir up a Hornets nest with that one DHL.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    My point was more around the fact that injecting what is now claimed to be (on the same reporting site) a major PED into an injured player just to try and get him on the field should surely attract as much comment as all the Wiggins stuff. Given this is tight before the game how would the TUE work in this case - is one needed? I acknowledge I'm assuming its cortisone they've wacked into Plunketts toe rather than that being explicitly stated. Are there other substances they would inject under those circumstances?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Pretty sure localised injections into joints is allowed without a TUE even in competition.

    Joe Rokocoko is a blast from the past, I'd forgotten all about him. I suspect most French Top 14 players test positive for anti-ageing products!
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    Pross wrote:
    Pretty sure localised injections into joints is allowed without a TUE even in competition.

    !

    Ok thanks for that info. Amusing that why I'd assume is 'fast acting' is allowed when the slow release method a la Wiggins needed a TUE.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Pross wrote:
    Pretty sure localised injections into joints is allowed without a TUE even in competition.

    Joe Rokocoko is a blast from the past, I'd forgotten all about him. I suspect most French Top 14 players test positive for anti-ageing products!

    Botox?
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    PK continues to shine a light on rugby. He is not going to give up on this crusade either, me thinks. :)

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/i ... 20535.html

    DD.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    PK continues to shine a light on rugby. He is not going to give up on this crusade either, me thinks. :)

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/i ... 20535.html

    DD.
    Kimmage is a zealot who thinks that sport should only be played by the 100% fit and healthy. It's a fantasy. As a teammate of mine likes to say "If we only played when 100% fit, we'd never play at all".

    Play any contact sport long enough and you'll build up a list of injuries to take into retirement. Cortisone or no cortisone.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    I think PK believes that sport should only be played by the 100% clean. That shouldn't be a fantasy.

    DD.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    I think PK believes that sport should only be played by the 100% clean. That shouldn't be a fantasy.

    DD.



    Can you define '100% clean' for me, please, DD? Inside the AD rules as defined by the WADA Code and/or the rules as laid out in each global sports governing body?

    Cos anything else comes down to each individual commentator or fan's individual subjective and highly personal opinion (which is prone to change like the wind depending on any number of factors)

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