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prawny wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:prawny wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:prawny wrote:So how many PRO womens teams are there now? One? That's the last thing they need. I thought Rabo would be around forever!
The other teams will be robbing banks (how fitting) to try to get Vos
I thought Vos was retiring? Or was that someone else?
Noooo....Arndt innit. Marianne V's only 25
Ahhhh, Arndt, Vos close enough innit.
Ha ha- Prawny couldn't tell his Arndt from his elbow.
'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
arnuf wrote:Rabo had the worst budget-to-result-rate in cycling, its no surprise they would quit someday. I dont see how this has to do with doping.
Bert Bruggink, member of the Managing Board: “It is with pain in our heart, but for the bank this is an inevitable decision. We are no longer convinced that the international professional world of cycling can make this a clean and fair sport. We are not confident that this will change for the better in the foreseeable future.”
I think the USADA situation has thrown up an obvious moment for them to exit cycling.
I enjoy watching a few of their riders, like Laurens ten Dam, so I feel for them that this decision has happened so quickly.0 -
My boss often points out an advert in the Building Services magazine. It's been on the back page of their magazine for as long as he can remember, and he's been a member for 15+ years - the advert has never changed!
It gets to a point where the sponsorship stops working, it doesn't have any impact on business as everyone is just used to it being there. I think to Rabobank the USADA thing is just a convenient excuse to cut costs.
Interestingly though they were one of the headline sponsors at the Worlds.
Are there any sponsors that will step in to fill the void?
What women's pro teams exist now? Argos...0 -
Other sponsors will enter the sport but I think pro cyclists can look forward to earning less money. That could almost be a good thing as it might reduce the incentive to cheat..?<a><img></a>0
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I note they were listed as one of the teams connected to Ferrari in that Gazzeta article. Could this have been the trigger?0
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Rick Chasey wrote:In fairness.
Rabo are doing pretty sh!t as a firm generally. (as all banks are).
Not that they should get any sympathy, but banks have been cutting hard to the bone and then some this year. Makes sense that they've got to the point where doing that whilst funding a load of millionaire cyclists who, rather like the bank, don't achieve much, is not tolerable.
I know that a subsequent statement seems to have superceded this, but Rabo can't be short of a Euro or two as they commenced sponsorship of the Celtic League rugby this year at a time they were still committed to cycling.
Does look however like they don't want to be associated with tainted goods any longer.
Worrying though.0 -
hammerite wrote:My boss often points out an advert in the Building Services magazine. It's been on the back page of their magazine for as long as he can remember, and he's been a member for 15+ years - the advert has never changed!
It gets to a point where the sponsorship stops working, it doesn't have any impact on business as everyone is just used to it being there. I think to Rabobank the USADA thing is just a convenient excuse to cut costs.
Interestingly though they were one of the headline sponsors at the Worlds.
Are there any sponsors that will step in to fill the void?
What women's pro teams exist now? Argos...
Cant realistically see a sponsor stepping in at this exact point in time. Coming into pro cycling whilst the flames get higher and higher? Plus Barredo's case? Plus Ferrari and the Italian investigation as per Gazzeta (and who knows what's coming to emerge from Puerto and Mantova) Nah...0 -
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Don't work like that though does it. It's always the guys at the bottom that suffer, the top end still get the cash.PeteinSQ wrote:Other sponsors will enter the sport but I think pro cyclists can look forward to earning less money. That could almost be a good thing as it might reduce the incentive to cheat..?
One thing I've not understood in this is are Rabo not wanting to be associated with cycling, hence the white shirt stuff in 2013, or are they ceasing completely, in which case where's the money to run the team?0 -
I find the sponsorship of the Celtic League slightly strange – do they even have any branches in Scotland, Wales? What about Eire??
What is it going to take for ‘Dynamic Duo’ to quit?? They must live in an alternative universe....Verbruggen’s comments were staggering....All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:PeteinSQ wrote:Other sponsors will enter the sport but I think pro cyclists can look forward to earning less money. That could almost be a good thing as it might reduce the incentive to cheat..?
Tom Danielson took a big pay cut to keep doping with Bruyneel.
Very self-sacrificing 0 -
dougzz wrote:
Don't work like that though does it. It's always the guys at the bottom that suffer, the top end still get the cash.PeteinSQ wrote:Other sponsors will enter the sport but I think pro cyclists can look forward to earning less money. That could almost be a good thing as it might reduce the incentive to cheat..?
One thing I've not understood in this is are Rabo not wanting to be associated with cycling, hence the white shirt stuff in 2013, or are they ceasing completely, in which case where's the money to run the team?
Hell, yeah, Cav's agent's managed to wangle him (yet another) payrise with his move to OPQS, apparently0 -
There's obviously more dirt than we think or know.
Related to the top brass shuffle a month or two ago?0 -
This is a disaster... one of the very few big corporate sponsors left... and very shit for Dutch cycling0
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One thing I've not understood in this is are Rabo not wanting to be associated with cycling, hence the white shirt stuff in 2013, or are they ceasing completely, in which case where's the money to run the team?
I've been wondering this as well. Are Rabobank still paying the wages next year?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:There's obviously more dirt than we think or know.
Related to the top brass shuffle a month or two ago?
ah, forgot about that...
http://inrng.com/2012/09/rabobank-revolution/0 -
Milton50 wrote:One thing I've not understood in this is are Rabo not wanting to be associated with cycling, hence the white shirt stuff in 2013, or are they ceasing completely, in which case where's the money to run the team?
I've been wondering this as well. Are Rabobank still paying the wages next year?
Yes - they're honouring the contracts.0 -
dougzz wrote:One thing I've not understood in this is are Rabo not wanting to be associated with cycling, hence the white shirt stuff in 2013, or are they ceasing completely, in which case where's the money to run the team?
I assume it's similar to whenT-Mobile pulled out - they don't want to be associated with the cycling team anymore, hence plain jerseys, but are contractually obliged (or have agreed) to continue funding for the next year0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Yes, it's Barredo. The UCI requested a prosecution be started on him yesterday.Timoid. wrote:Bit of a shame really, but not really a surprise.
I thought they would walk after the chicken fiasco.
Does this suspicious rider's surname begin with a B?
From Rabosports website
The UCI is starting a doping lawsuit against Carlos Barredo (photo) following his blood passport and blood values concerning the 2007-2011 period (2007-2010 QuickStep, 2011 Rabobank Cycling Team). The Rabobank Cycling Team has taken notice of this decision today.
Before Carlos Barredo’s recruitment in 2011, the team conducted an extensive screening; Carlos Barredo does not count any violation of the doping regulation on his personal record, information about Barredo was obtained at the UCI, experts examined his blood and the doctor of his previous team, QuickStep, was consulted and issued a certificate of good behaviour.
Carlos Barredo was questioned by the UCI early July 2012 about his blood passport and his blood values concerning the 2007-2011 period. Before those questions, Barredo was controlled for the first time in 2012 (and until now for the last time) on the 18th of June. Barredo was given the chance to defend himself. Barredo formulated the answers in close cooperation with the Rabobank Cycling Team and delivered them before the deadline (24th of July). At that point, they were preliminary questions, there was no sign of a legal procedure. At the end of September, the UCI asked Barredo the additional questions. Those questions were again answered within the established deadline. Rabobank offered him all the support and knowledge necessary to answer the questions.
In former statements, and again after the start of this procedure by the UCI, Carlos Barredo has strongly denied any involvement in doping related cases as well as the use of doping to the Rabobank Cycling Team. If this statement reveals to be false, the team will consider it unnacceptable. While awaiting the verdict of the Spanish federation and the final result, Carlos Barredo will be suspended. His contract will expire at the end of 2012.
The Rabobank Cycling Team will follow all the steps of the procedure of the Spanish federation. The Rabobank Cycling Team stands behind the blood passport, the team supports a clean sport. The Rabobank Cycling Team is co-initiator of the blood passport and cooperates for the improvement of the blood passport.0 -
AndyRAC wrote:I find the sponsorship of the Celtic League slightly strange – do they even have any branches in Scotland, Wales? What about Eire??
What is it going to take for ‘Dynamic Duo’ to quit?? They must live in an alternative universe....Verbruggen’s comments were staggering....
They have a big presence in Ireland and are trying to do the pan European online banking thingy (Rabo-Direct).
The Celtic League costs sod all to sponsor, so not much outlay there.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Can Pat survive with this kind of cash flight from the sport? Rabo are clearly attacking UCI in their statement.0
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Millar on form this morning:
'I wonder whether the IOC have stepped in yet at UCI HQ? Of course, in theory, Hein having a coffee with Pat is an IOC-UCI summit' 0 -
Love Millar's faith in the IOC being a beacon of financial and organisational probity. :roll:Richmond Racer wrote:Millar on form this morning:
'I wonder whether the IOC have stepped in yet at UCI HQ? Of course, in theory, Hein having a coffee with Pat is an IOC-UCI summit''This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
On a postive note, it sounds like a criticism of the UCI. I'm all for comprehesive bashing of sports governing bodies.0
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Blazing Saddles wrote:arnuf wrote:Rabo had the worst budget-to-result-rate in cycling, its no surprise they would quit someday. I dont see how this has to do with doping.
Yes, clearly this has nothing to do with Leipheimer and the USADA report, but has long been in the pipeline.
That's why the riders were given a whole half an hour notice.
The Leipheimer thing is minor compared to earlier affaires. What's different now is that back then they still had some notable results.0 -
“It feels like a smack in the face at this moment,” Gesink told Cyclingnews.
“Of course there were a lot of bad things going on in cycling, everyone saw and it’s never a good thing to have a sponsor's name on something like that. Now this generation gets shit from a different generation from before who did wrong things. Now we’re losing one of the biggest sponsors in cycling ever. I don’t have any words for it but it’s one of the worst things that could happen.”
Rabobank has been a top-level sponsor since 1996 and are the sport’s longest serving title sponsor. They’ve have ridden through a number of storms before, notably Michael Rasmussen’s expulsion from the Tour in 2006, the Humanplasma case and the recent revelations that Levi Leipheimer admitted to doping while on the team.
However in recent years the team appeared to take a firmer line, cutting ties with riders associated to a murky past and positioning a themselves with a cleaner image. However on Thursday news broke that Carlos Barredo was under investigation by the UCI for a biological passport violation.
Gesink said he would now wait with the structure and management of the team expected to announce that they will attempt to continue next season but without a title sponsor.
“I’ll wait for a bit and then speak to people from the team and see what the next few days will bring but at the moment I’m still a bit shocked,” he told Cyclingnews.
“We’ve got a great team, a great structure and everything is working well with young talented guys. Stuff is coming out from ten years ago and we don’t even know half the guys who were riding then. It’s not really fair I guess.”
Asked who he blames or feels is responsible, Gesink said:
“I don’t think you can blame one person. This is something that happened a few years ago and it was a bad period for cycling. It’s all come out for the big world to see and I’m only disappointed now in the people that say they’re shocked about what went on and they’re calling themselves insiders. Everyone on the inside knew that things in cycling had to change, and they did. Now we’re working with young guys, doing it the right way and trying to get results in a clean way and doing it the way you should do it. This is the worst thing that could have happened at this moment. You cant’ blame us for things that happened in America or different teams ten years ago.
“I hope so. For myself I had a tough season but I think I’m back at my top level and I think I can have a good season next year. Hopefully we’ll have the same structure and team though.”Contador is the Greatest0 -
What was it again that Gesink said when asked for his reaction to the USADA report? Bet he's not feeling the same way today0
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GreenEDGE Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) has a pro womens teams toohammerite wrote:
What women's pro teams exist now? Argos...0 -
Rabo Direct sponsor a Super15 Rugby team in MelbourneDorset Boy wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:In fairness.
Rabo are doing pretty sh!t as a firm generally. (as all banks are).
Not that they should get any sympathy, but banks have been cutting hard to the bone and then some this year. Makes sense that they've got to the point where doing that whilst funding a load of millionaire cyclists who, rather like the bank, don't achieve much, is not tolerable.
I know that a subsequent statement seems to have superceded this, but Rabo can't be short of a Euro or two as they commenced sponsorship of the Celtic League rugby this year at a time they were still committed to cycling.
Does look however like they don't want to be associated with tainted goods any longer.
Worrying though.0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:I know that a subsequent statement seems to have superceded this, but Rabo can't be short of a Euro or two as they commenced sponsorship of the Celtic League rugby this year at a time they were still committed to cycling.
They sponsored it last season too and I don't think it's big money. They were pretty tight lipped when it was announced but the rumours were it was more than the £500k per season Magners deal though not much.0
