Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Oh, dear.. At least it's based on Walsh's book.
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ThomThom wrote:Oh, dear.. At least it's based on Walsh's book.
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Yeah, but they've cast Chris O'Dowd from the IT Crowd as Walsh which seems bizarre to me. I would have gone with Gabriel Byrne, perhaps. Ben Foster is good casting though judging by his performance in Alpha Dog - better than Bradley Cooper in the rival project who is too likeable (although he was a bit of a dick in the Wedding Crashers).
This guy has also been cast. The character is undisclosed, but I reckon I can have a good guess
Interestingly it's got the same screenwriter as Trainspotting - a Danny Boyle regular.
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Star letter in this weeks Cycling weekly makes crigeworthy reading. Lance did nothing wrong that other riders were not also doing :roll:
Oh dear, clearly cycling weekly still hold a candle for the man
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bockers wrote:Star letter in this weeks Cycling weekly makes crigeworthy reading. Lance did nothing wrong that other riders were not also doing :roll:
Oh dear, clearly cycling weekly still hold a candle for the man
Letter of the Week, no less.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:bockers wrote:Star letter in this weeks Cycling weekly makes crigeworthy reading. Lance did nothing wrong that other riders were not also doing :roll:
Oh dear, clearly cycling weekly still hold a candle for the man
Letter of the Week, no less.
Maybe it should read "Lance did nothing wrong that other riders weren't ALSO doing wrong".
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Richmond Racer wrote:bockers wrote:Star letter in this weeks Cycling weekly makes crigeworthy reading. Lance did nothing wrong that other riders were not also doing :roll:
Oh dear, clearly cycling weekly still hold a candle for the man
Letter of the Week, no less.
Aye, and this from people who are supposed to know about cycling, and keep us informed.
Have they never asked themselves how none of the Postal/Disco riders ever failed a test whilst riding for Armstrong and his team? But once they flew the nest and rode for other teams, they were almost all caught doing exactly what they were doing before, namely doping. I dont think its coincidence that Lance had a t least one positive, how shall we put it, go away, and the fact that most of his troops that moved on were soon caught doping. Its hardly a conspiracy theory.0 -
mike6 wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:bockers wrote:Star letter in this weeks Cycling weekly makes crigeworthy reading. Lance did nothing wrong that other riders were not also doing :roll:
Oh dear, clearly cycling weekly still hold a candle for the man
Letter of the Week, no less.
Aye, and this from people who are supposed to know about cycling, and keep us informed.
Have they never asked themselves how none of the Postal/Disco riders ever failed a test whilst riding for Armstrong and his team? But once they flew the nest and rode for other teams, they were almost all caught doing exactly what they were doing before, namely doping. I dont think its coincidence that Lance had a t least one positive, how shall we put it, go away, and the fact that most of his troops that moved on were soon caught doping. Its hardly a conspiracy theory.
Hate to say it but Cycling Weekly is not really in business to keep you informed. They are in the business of helping to SELL cycling product. That's how they make their money. There are definately many more advertisements in a cycling magazine than what you might can "informed writting".
As for LA I think he took cheating in cycling to the next level. Before him riders and teams were sort of on their own as far as staying out of the radar of the people who were trying to prevent it. LA and his minions somehow took that next step up the ladder and somehow got "cooperation", for lack of a better word, from the people charged with catching cheats. Best of both worlds.0 -
For a little perspective...this wasnt a Comic editorial, it was a letter from a reader. Over the last 12 months the mag's published plenty of its own articles and commentary that's covered the Lance story in a way that can hardly be described as pro-Lance.
Its a letter from a reader with a particular view, one that's been echoed in some posts here. They've published plenty of other letters since it all started coming out, from the opposite point of view and decrying him.
The Comic's not Pravda.
Thinking about it, Simon Richardson and co have probably made it LOTW to take the mickey.0 -
Agree it was not an editorial, and they may have wanted to give voice to the views of the ignorant, but giving it star letter and a gift, I mean really... does that scan... at all!0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Ummm....actually find myself agreeing with some of what he's come out with0
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DB: Did you win that world championships in Oslo, 20 years ago, on [taps glass of water] clean?
LA: That’s the detail I can’t get into. It was still low-octane. You know, I think, in the last couple of days I’ve read these stories about Michael Rasmussen and his interaction with [Rolf] Sørensen. That was the norm then. I think he’s spot on. I don’t know his motivation, it doesn’t matter, but he’s spot on.
I think this answers one of my outstanding questions. Sounds like a little bit of doping.And I don’t want to just talk about doping. It’s obviously an element but 99 per cent of my career isn’t about doping.
I'm not sure I can agree with this0 -
I like how he tries to justify not being über doped but just doped by saying 'low-octane'...0
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I really don't get Armstrong. He's obviously a fairly bright switched on guy (or maybe not) but why didn't he just 'come out' when he retired he'd have all his titles and all the money and no one would give a toss. There are times I feel really sorry for the guy its pretty obvious he's the fall guy now and subjected to a world wide witch hunt. The guy hasn't killed anyone, yes he maybe a bit unpleasant, but really does he really need to be treated like a criminal.
I find the hypocrisy apalling - Indurian & Merckx lauded as superhuman Gods. Yet Armstrong gets labeled as a fraud.0 -
Lance appears to have unblocked me on the twitter.
Bad timesFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Lance appears to have unblocked me on the twitter.
Bad times
We've now moved into Step 2 of Lance's Rehabilitation Programme
Do you think he still has the interns managing his twatters for him?0 -
iainf72 wrote:Lance appears to have unblocked me on the twitter.
Bad times
He actually replied to one of my tweets a couple of months back. I almost quit Twitter in disgust.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Overlord2 wrote:I really don't get Armstrong. He's obviously a fairly bright switched on guy (or maybe not) but why didn't he just 'come out' when he retired he'd have all his titles and all the money and no one would give a toss. There are times I feel really sorry for the guy its pretty obvious he's the fall guy now and subjected to a world wide witch hunt. The guy hasn't killed anyone, yes he maybe a bit unpleasant, but really does he really need to be treated like a criminal.
I find the hypocrisy apalling - Indurian & Merckx lauded as superhuman Gods. Yet Armstrong gets labeled as a fraud.
Spot on. That is exactly what I said to my wife at the time. It would have been the right time and people would have been more forgiving and understanding. But dopers will not out themselves. The interview is telling it like it is.
Armstrong has not ruined cycling, it's the dickheads who run cycling IMO. Good for Lance. A travesty that his tour wins have been taken away. Statute of limitations etc,,, hypocritical bullshi%%0 -
Total hypocrisy. They were all doing it, so why take just his titles away when every single winner was. He won the Tour 7 times against other riders who were using the same culture.
But what is the point of saying 'high octane'. I mean really, why the fuck can't he just say blood doping.0 -
He says low octane in Oslo but..how about Indurain?0
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I like that interview.Contador is the Greatest0
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I couldn't care less how many people were doing it. It's cheating, and cheats should have titles taken from them.
I also found the 'high-octane, low-octane' shit irritating. To me, it's just a way of not coming out with the names of chosen drugs and methods at each point. Making something sound 'casual' at the low-end is rubbish, a banned substance is a banned substance. He probably doesn't like saying the names of the drugs and listing them, and if we heard the full list of methods and drugs each time he chooses to say the octane level instead, then it would read and sound worse. He knows that.0 -
He is clearly forced into this position and is undoubtedly trying to paint the story as his just being a pawn but ultimately he's right.
He didn't create the doping culture, he just exploited it more successfully than others. I don't like him due to his odious personality but his doping has to be taken in context.
If he'd have not bothered with his goddam comeback I'd really not care that he was one doper beating others. My lasting memory of the mess the sport was, was the rider protests in '98 after the Festina bust. The riders clearly weren't ready for change in '98 and they sure as hell weren't a year later and herein lies the heart of the monster LA became.
Did his 99 test get covered up because the sport couldn't face a 2nd consecutive doping scandal in the worlds biggest race?
Coupled with the possible opening up to the US market, LA was a hot property. From that very moment onwards, LA was in control of the narrative and the rest, as they say, is history.0 -
He only came out because he had no other option, the weight of evidence given by ex employees was overwhelming. Since then he has been on damage limitation. Lance always has an agenda, nothing is done or said without very careful consideration of the implications for "Planet Lance" now, or in the future. He really should be in politics.
His house fell down not so much because of what he did, but how he did it. He set himself up as the Superman of cycling. Super clean, just a man who trained far, far harder than anyone else, with right on his side.....oh and a cancer survivor in case you were thinking of doubting his clean credentials. He made millions from this huge lie, you cant be surprised it is now being taken away.
We found out he is a cheat, on a monumental scale, who has managed to have at least one positive dope test buried by the powers in cycling. Never tested positive was his answer to doping questions, I'm on my bike, that is what I am on. He used the media to set himself up as the uber athlete, man of charity, family guy. I dont think it is difficult to understand why he has fallen so far. If you desire the adulation and the star status, as he did, you have to also accept the negative attention that a massive fall from grace will bring. Live by the sword, die by the sword.0 -
mike6 wrote:He only came out because he had no other option, the weight of evidence given by ex employees was overwhelming. Since then he has been on damage limitation. Lance always has an agenda, nothing is done or said without very careful consideration of the implications for "Planet Lance" now, or in the future. He really should be in politics.
His house fell down not so much because of what he did, but how he did it. He set himself up as the Superman of cycling. Super clean, just a man who trained far, far harder than anyone else, with right on his side.....oh and a cancer survivor in case you were thinking of doubting his clean credentials. He made millions from this huge lie, you cant be surprised it is now being taken away.
We found out he is a cheat, on a monumental scale, who has managed to have at least one positive dope test buried by the powers in cycling. Never tested positive was his answer to doping questions, I'm on my bike, that is what I am on. He used the media to set himself up as the uber athlete, man of charity, family guy. I dont think it is difficult to understand why he has fallen so far. If you desire the adulation and the star status, as he did, you have to also accept the negative attention that a massive fall from grace will bring. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Have to agree with a lot of what Mike6 says.
Lance missed an opportunity to walk away from the table with a pile of chips but gambled on the continued silence of others and lost the lot.
A lot of what he has to say we will have heard before through Walsh, Hamilton et al but where he can really add value is in a full and frank expose of UCI collusion (if any)0 -
