Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

greasedscotsman

dennisn wrote:

I simply do not understand why people cheer, swoon, and get their hearts all aflutter at the very sight of the objects of their obsession's.

Don't agree with you Dennis, I think you just like to argue with people.

blazing_saddles

From my standpoint, I have little interest in where Armstrong ultimately ends up.
I do have an interest in whatever the Whistleblower case rakes up that is pertinent to today's peloton
and in particular the identification of personnel, involved in the conspiracy who are still employed by teams.
To that end, it's not all "water under the bridge" and "time to move on".

Just this week, Emma O'Reilly's unrestricted testimony filled in a few redacted names.
Not only did she confirm Thom Weisel's direct involvement, but also Freddy Viaene,
who is currently head soigneur at Team BMC.

It will be interesting to see if they follow Sky's lead or simply do nothing.

r0bh

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Just this week, Emma O'Reilly's unrestricted testimony filled in a few redacted names.
Not only did she confirm Thom Weisel's direct involvement, but also Freddy Viaene,
who is currently head soigneur at Team BMC.

It will be interesting to see if they follow Sky's lead or simply do nothing.

Judging by yesterday's press release from BMC, it is the latter.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/09/ ... vit_304062

Paul 8v

greasedscotsman wrote:

dennisn wrote:

I simply do not understand why people cheer, swoon, and get their hearts all aflutter at the very sight of the objects of their obsession's.

Don't agree with his Dennis, I think you just like to argue with people.

This is more likely, I've only ever really seen Dennis post on this thread, I'm not even really sure what your viewpoint is, as far as I can tell you are on here to say that people are obsessed with Lance, which you must be too as you keep coming back every time someone posts something on here, you always take the bait

what Is your view on the whole situation as all I can really see for the last 50 pages is you moaning that the brits are obsessed with Lance

(Incidently I can understand why people are interested, he was the biggest cyclist on the planet (If not one of the biggest sports personalitites) for years and a lot of people followed him, Imagine if it turned out a dominant sports person in another sport cheated like Bolt in Sprinting? It would surely be the same?)

fleshtuxedo

Holy f**k, this thread still going on??

You're all in danger of becoming like solitary Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands in the 1980s who think WW2 is still going on.

Paul 8v

FleshTuxedo wrote:

Holy f**k, this thread still going on??

You're all in danger of becoming like solitary Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands in the 1980s who think WW2 is still going on.

Is it not? Better telegram Dennisn!

dennisn

FleshTuxedo wrote:

You're all in danger of becoming like solitary Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands in the 1980s who think WW2 is still going on.

Now THAT is a good point. :oops:

ddraver

FleshTuxedo wrote:

Holy f**k, this thread still going on??

You're all in danger of becoming like solitary Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands in the 1980s who think WW2 is still going on.

Sorry, Flesh ,only one of us is, the rest of us post updates on here to keep the clutter away from the interesting stuff. We fly tip in the jungle as it were and the solitary soldier then picks at any remians

RideOnTime

Been said before I know but I think he has been a bit naughty...

dougzz

Sheryl too http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/sheryl- ... Stories%29

rayjay

Its funny how Sheryl talks up only when threatened with legal action. Same as Floyd , TH, DZ, JV, GH etc etc. Only Betty spoke out and that was because Frankie got kicked out and missed the Postal money train. Lets see Tygart go after Ulrich, Basso, Vino, Mayo etc and then you will realise Armstrong was no better or worse than anyone else. That's cycling folks.

RoadPainter

rayjay wrote:

Its funny how Sheryl talks up only when threatened with legal action. Same as Floyd , TH, DZ, JV, GH etc etc. Only Betty spoke out and that was because Frankie got kicked out and missed the Postal money train. Lets see Tygart go after Ulrich, Basso, Vino, Mayo etc and then you will realise Armstrong was no better or worse than anyone else. That's cycling folks.

And how many lives were ruined by the bullying of the other riders you name?

It's not about the drugs, it's about his extreme behaviour when people told the truth.

rayjay

Check out the Eastern Bloc Doping programme or the Chinese programme. That's extreme. Armstrong was covering his arse like all the other doping teams did. You have not heard their story's. Do you think Vino, Ulrich etc etc were saints ? Cycling needs to learn from other sports about how to handle PEDs. Lets see Tygart go after American Football, Basketball. Baseball. Why do you think the Fuentes Blood bags got destroyed or are going to be destroyed. They don't want the Public to know that most pro sportsman and women take PEDs. Armstrong has become the biggest scapegoat for all these sports and because Cycling is in the minor leagues money wise to say Football etc etc it is the easy target.

Bo Duke

LA isn't a scapegoat, he broke the law.

What he might be, is the first mega-star to be brought down as a warning to others that as sport has moved into a multi-billion dollar global industry that encourages individuals to excel at whatever cost, that the authorities are willing to step up to the plate and become a darn sight more resilient and professional in seeking them out and prosecuting them.

You'll be telling me the wrestling isn't fixed next. :shock:

RoadPainter

rayjay wrote:

Check out the Eastern Bloc Doping programme or the Chinese programme. That's extreme. Armstrong was covering his ars* like all the other doping teams did. You have not heard their story's. Do you think Vino, Ulrich etc etc were saints ? Cycling needs to learn from other sports about how to handle PEDs. Lets see Tygart go after American Football, Basketball. Baseball. Why do you think the Fuentes Blood bags got destroyed or are going to be destroyed. They don't want the Public to know that most pro sportsman and women take PEDs. Armstrong has become the biggest scapegoat for all these sports and because Cycling is in the minor leagues money wise to say Football etc etc it is the easy target.

I don't think Vino, Ullrich were saints - but I don't recall them pursuing so vigorously those who told the truth (eg EOR, Betsy, Lemond etc etc). State run doping programmes are a bit different I think!

Bo Duke

LA fights back.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/01/20/lan ... h-winfrey/

andrewjoseph

rayjay wrote:

Its funny how Sheryl talks up only when threatened with legal action. Same as Floyd , TH, DZ, JV, GH etc etc. Only Betty spoke out and that was because Frankie got kicked out and missed the Postal money train. Lets see Tygart go after Ulrich, Basso, Vino, Mayo etc and then you will realise Armstrong was no better or worse than anyone else. That's cycling folks.

Tygart can't go after them, they don't/didn't have a us licence. Usda is for riders with an American licence.

deejay

rayjay wrote:

Its funny how Sheryl talks up only when threatened with legal action. Same as Floyd , TH, DZ, JV, GH etc etc. Only Betty spoke out and that was because Frankie got kicked out and missed the Postal money train. Lets see Tygart go after Ulrich, Basso, Vino, Mayo etc and then you will realise Armstrong was no better or worse than anyone else. That's cycling folks.

Riis, Ullrich, Zabel and Vinokourov were all part of the longest cheating team in Pro cycling history which started before and was still going after Armstrong.
That the Germans couldn't/wouldn't do anything till 2007, maybe because the cycling team brought such wealth to that little Deutsche Telekom company.
That the UCI did nothing before Armstrong or later about that long term team of Cheats & Liars and still there are no repercussions to their Palmares.
Ullrich was involved with Conconi/Ferrari and then when he couldn't beat Armstrong he thought Fuentes would solve his problems.
This bomb needs a new thread. ?

That Basso & Mayo etc were only involved with Fuentes. :!:

sherer

I thin ONCE and Saiz could lay claim to biggest cheating team in history. Ullrich has said they stopped doping after 98 and if was only have 2 years of LA winning and knowing he was still on PEDs that they went back to it.

No idea if the above is the full truth or not though.

thomthom

sherer wrote:

I thin ONCE and Saiz could lay claim to biggest cheating team in history. Ullrich has said they stopped doping after 98 and if was only have 2 years of LA winning and knowing he was still on PEDs that they went back to it.

No idea if the above is the full truth or not though.

If Jan says so...

deejay

sherer wrote:

Ullrich has said they stopped doping after 98 and if was only have 2 years of LA winning and knowing he was still on PEDs that they went back to it.

In the meantime Zabel (has admitted) still went on winning Green Jersey's and MSR's. :?:

jerry3571

I was in a bookshop earlier and had a thumb though the book below. Looked fascinating and the perspective that Lance puts over. Love it; images were good too. Old Lance is a bit Jonny Cash these days with a Doo Gooder Anti Cancer thing and the intense Bad Guy we also know. Makes an intense read through. Might get it but I won't ask Lance as he'll tell me "No Gifts!" Ha! Ha!

I also still wear my wristband for the anti cancer thing. :roll:

I know people have gotten let down by Lance but intrigue and collusion is all part of cycling history; it's just we have the press to expose it all these days.

le_patron

If you enjoyed that, here's a bargain

jerry3571

Yes, already read that one. Looks like my book!

I did enjoy the Dan Coyles Book; Tour de Force which starts to look at Lance from the inside where he found the first signs of the Lance we know now.
Got two great sayings from the book; one for Road Rash was "leaving meat on the road" and the other was a rider upping his form by training and severe dieting and this was known as "going out on the Razor's edge". A type of training which a rider ends up being at his maximum performance but with the minimal fat percentage; which can only lasts a few weeks of the year. Great book.


By the way, I'm no fan boy as I got posts on her from about 7 years ago asking questions of how Lance/Bruyneel weren't getting busted for drugs and this was before it all opened up. The other poster's responses, denying Lance's perfect record, make laughable reading now.

Rob85_

Quick question, does Lance make any money from this new documentary?

I'm interested in it purely from a Cycling point of view, but certainly don't want to give a penny to someone like Lance Armstrong.

ddraver

According to Richard Moore, no

mike6

Rob85_ wrote:

Quick question, does Lance make any money from this new documentary?

I'm interested in it purely from a Cycling point of view, but certainly don't want to give a penny to someone like Lance Armstrong.

No he only gets the publicity, and for his personality type it's worth more than money.

dennisn

mike6 wrote:

Rob85_ wrote:

Quick question, does Lance make any money from this new documentary?

I'm interested in it purely from a Cycling point of view, but certainly don't want to give a penny to someone like Lance Armstrong.

No he only gets the publicity, and for his personality type it's worth more than money.

Some would say that there is no such thing as "bad" publicity when you're a celebrity. I tend to agree.

iainf72

dennisn wrote:

Some would say that there is no such thing as "bad" publicity when you're a celebrity. I tend to agree.

That old saying is complete guff.

How did that dog fighting stuff work out for those NFL guys? I was going to use Saville but thought I'd keep it 'merican or Den.

dennisn

iainf72 wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Some would say that there is no such thing as "bad" publicity when you're a celebrity. I tend to agree.

That old saying is complete guff.

How did that dog fighting stuff work out for those NFL guys? I was going to use Saville but thought I'd keep it 'merican or Den.

The guy is still playing football for fairly big money. And the publicity he gets now is mostly about how much of a reformed and wonderful person he is. Plus he gets more publicity simply because he's deemed more newsworthy
than other people. Maybe even Oprah forgave him.

I'm not defending LA or Mike Vick, nor do I even agree with the idea that either of them are worth the bother or paying much attention too, but sometimes even the worst of people somehow stay alive in the news. And even prosper.