Is there such a thing as jersey etiquette?
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Jez mon wrote:Slowbike wrote:markos1963 wrote:Raffles wrote:There are elitist club morons in cliques the length and breadth of the UK who will approach a rider in any of the TDF jerseys, and think they are doing him a favour when they advise him that he really shouldnt be wearing that jersey. Best thing to do is collectively tell that clique to fekk off and mind their own business and go and enjoy the time on the bike in that nice jersey. There are some despicable elements in road cycling that a guy or gal on their bike has to suffer unfortunately.
Do you know what, I'm thinking of jacking in cycling with a club. Not because of what you accuse club riders off but because of wa&^ers like you. Without clubs you wouldn't have road racing, time trials, sportives and youth programmes. But of course that counts for nothing because you think all clubs up and down the country are full of 'elitist morons' I'm getting fed up of timid riders coming along to rides terrified because they see and hear comments by people like you. If you don't like riding in a club then fair enough but don't label all clubs as such. I have never heard any comments by people in my club about any aspect of a cyclists attire or bike but being an 'elitist moron' perhaps I missed it.
Do you know raffles didn't mention the word "club" once - you did.
There are some pompous twats in cycling - but I don't think they all mean it.
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True enough but it doesn't alter the fact that Markos was being a pompous something. Suggesting that there are, in some clubs, some elitist morons (surely not
) in no why implies that all members of all clubs are elitist morons.
So, if we can just agree that Markos is a pompous t**t but not an elitist moron I think we can carry on with the thread Faster than a tent.......0 -
psittacosis wrote:The level of aggression and self justification from the KOM/Yellow/World champion jersey wearers shows that you know it's dodgy. Wear what you like but learn to laugh at yourself (everyone else is).
It's only you who appears to have any resentment. Is it jealousy that newbies and casual riders can afford more expensive kit than you maybe? So what if you can go quicker than them on your bike made from angle iron wearing your moth eaten rags. Good for you. But so much bitterness towards others who are simply enjoying themselves without harming anyone is not good for you.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
psittacosis wrote:The level of aggression and self justification from the KOM/Yellow/World champion jersey wearers shows that you know it's dodgy. Wear what you like but learn to laugh at yourself (everyone else is).
Actually, judging by the responses on here the majority (rightly) don't give a toss what others are wearing on their rides.
It only seems to bother a few small minded ones thankfully. If you laugh at someone because of the top they are wearing you have my pity.Cube Agree GTC Pro
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Mouth wrote:http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/
I refer you specifically to rules 16 and 17.
Personally I won't wear a team kit unless they're defunct or it's a retro kit (IMO more than 2 seasons old). I'd never wear an award jersey though.
My overall opinion is that if you really want to spend a premium for a yellow jersey, KOM etc then it's your bloody money so I couldn't really care less. I've been taking note of such things lately and to be honest most of the what I call 'serious' roadies (not commuters but people specifically out for a ride etc) seem to wear club kit which is a much better way to lose your money.
Rule #23
// Shoe covers are for cold or wet.
If it’s not cold or wet and you are still wearing shoe covers it’s because you’re a pussy.
Tell that to Chris Hoy.
Rule #33
// Shave your guns.
Legs are to be carefully shaved at all times. If, for some reason, your legs are to be left hairy, make sure you can dish out plenty of hurt to shaved riders, or be considered a hippie douche on your way to a Critical Mass. Whether you use a straight razor or a Bowie knife, use Baxter to keep them smooth.
And shaving your legs does not make you a pussy?
I could go on with that pathetic list..
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Back on topic...
I will wear what I want..and if it offends people, who cares.
Remember, there is always somebody better than you...unless you ARE Wiggo.
Personally, I would say the definition of bad etiquette is to ride past a stranger and shout your mouth off about what they are wearing.
Imitation is a form of flattery. I do not see Rooney complaining about people copying him, or Richard Burns moaning about a granddad in an Impreza with livery on it. Believe me, you REALLY have to work hard to earn a Team GB run out at the olympics in any sport. I am fairly sure that we are allowed to buy these ? Or can we only wear the Team GB cycling jersey if we break a world record on every ride?
Still, good excuse for the bloke selling Wiggins bike on Ebay..how could he possibly ride something he has not earned the right to sit on
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You obviously don't understand jokes ...smashed wrote:Mouth wrote:http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/
I refer you specifically to rules 16 and 17.
Personally I won't wear a team kit unless they're defunct or it's a retro kit (IMO more than 2 seasons old). I'd never wear an award jersey though.
My overall opinion is that if you really want to spend a premium for a yellow jersey, KOM etc then it's your bloody money so I couldn't really care less. I've been taking note of such things lately and to be honest most of the what I call 'serious' roadies (not commuters but people specifically out for a ride etc) seem to wear club kit which is a much better way to lose your money.
Rule #23
// Shoe covers are for cold or wet.
If it’s not cold or wet and you are still wearing shoe covers it’s because you’re a pussy.
Tell that to Chris Hoy.
Rule #33
// Shave your guns.
Legs are to be carefully shaved at all times. If, for some reason, your legs are to be left hairy, make sure you can dish out plenty of hurt to shaved riders, or be considered a hippie douche on your way to a Critical Mass. Whether you use a straight razor or a Bowie knife, use Baxter to keep them smooth.
And shaving your legs does not make you a pussy?
I could go on with that pathetic list..
Well - if what you wear shows offensive language or symbols then expect Plod to take an interest.smashed wrote:Back on topic...
I will wear what I want..and if it offends people, who cares.
But even he would admit that there are faster ppl at sprinting or climbing hills ... he's "just" our best all rounder atm ...smashed wrote:Remember, there is always somebody better than you...unless you ARE Wiggo.
Quite - shouldn't stop you from having a quiet snigger to yourself when someone with "all the gear and no idea" is struggling up a 2% gradient though - just the same as I expect some other riders do when they see me struggling up a gradient they waltz up ... as long as the only words are ones of encouragement it's all fine by me!smashed wrote:Personally, I would say the definition of bad etiquette is to ride past a stranger and shout your mouth off about what they are wearing.0 -
Whatever you wear , as long as its bright and colourful doesn,t really matter, whether it's a retro colnago jersey or a belgian trade team, does it really matter . as long as you feel good in it who gives a toss.0
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Slowbike wrote:
You obviously don't understand jokes ...smashed wrote:Mouth wrote:http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/
I refer you specifically to rules 16 and 17.
Personally I won't wear a team kit unless they're defunct or it's a retro kit (IMO more than 2 seasons old). I'd never wear an award jersey though.
My overall opinion is that if you really want to spend a premium for a yellow jersey, KOM etc then it's your bloody money so I couldn't really care less. I've been taking note of such things lately and to be honest most of the what I call 'serious' roadies (not commuters but people specifically out for a ride etc) seem to wear club kit which is a much better way to lose your money.
Rule #23
// Shoe covers are for cold or wet.
If it’s not cold or wet and you are still wearing shoe covers it’s because you’re a pussy.
Tell that to Chris Hoy.
Rule #33
// Shave your guns.
Legs are to be carefully shaved at all times. If, for some reason, your legs are to be left hairy, make sure you can dish out plenty of hurt to shaved riders, or be considered a hippie douche on your way to a Critical Mass. Whether you use a straight razor or a Bowie knife, use Baxter to keep them smooth.
And shaving your legs does not make you a pussy?
I could go on with that pathetic list..
Well - if what you wear shows offensive language or symbols then expect Plod to take an interest.smashed wrote:Back on topic...
I will wear what I want..and if it offends people, who cares.
But even he would admit that there are faster ppl at sprinting or climbing hills ... he's "just" our best all rounder atm ...smashed wrote:Remember, there is always somebody better than you...unless you ARE Wiggo.
Quite - shouldn't stop you from having a quiet snigger to yourself when someone with "all the gear and no idea" is struggling up a 2% gradient though - just the same as I expect some other riders do when they see me struggling up a gradient they waltz up ... as long as the only words are ones of encouragement it's all fine by me!smashed wrote:Personally, I would say the definition of bad etiquette is to ride past a stranger and shout your mouth off about what they are wearing.
Yep, you can have a silent (not quiet) snigger if they have the gear but no idea. Or...you could be considerate and wonder if they need help / encouragement as you say
Yes, Wiggo is just the all-rounder so I agree others will be better at other events, was just making a point.
Obviously, wearing something offensive was a caveat that I did not need to put in.
Yes, I do understand jokes...and I accept I was a bit of a t*t with that one... I did not see the rest of the comment and somehow confused myself with another post - e.g. believing he was making a serious point - so apologies.
The list is not particularly funny though sorry. Seen much better humour regarding golfing rules etc and I dont even play much golf 0 -
Does it have to be silent?! I'm sure I can snigger quietly enough for them not to hear or notice ... and can't I snigger and be considerate and offer them encouragement? (what do I know? I'm not an "old hand" at riding!) ...smashed wrote:Yep, you can have a silent (not quiet) snigger if they have the gear but no idea. Or...you could be considerate and wonder if they need help / encouragement as you say
Yer - it's not particularly funny in isolation - I believe it's meant as self derogatory humour ...smashed wrote:The list is not particularly funny though sorry. Seen much better humour regarding golfing rules etc and I dont even play much golf
Btw - I've had experience of "all the gear and no idea" ppl - turning up at (non cycling) races, proudly showing off all their brand new kit, polishing it up and then being so far behind in the race that we've no idea what happened to them ...
Me - I've never had the money for top kit - so quite happy to carry on with what I've got ... being asked to "ease up" on a club ride made my day (I'm not a member of a club - I was joining in for that one with someone else who is - to cap it all, I wasn't even going "fast" - it was just a little hill ...
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I wear what I choose when going out on a ride.
This includes team jerseys that I haven't "earned". Still makes me laugh everytime some joker says that
Does this sort of elitist rubbish happen in any other countries? Any Northern Ireland member have any experience of it over here?
I'm not one bit concerned by what anyone else thinks, as long as they keep it to themselves.
If they must comment, then they would need to be significantly faster than me, because if they aren't, I will sit on their back wheel for as long as I can telling them how much of a d*ck I think they are.0 -
20eyes wrote:I wear what I choose when going out on a ride.
This includes team jerseys that I haven't "earned". Still makes me laugh everytime some joker says that
Does this sort of elitist rubbish happen in any other countries? Any Northern Ireland member have any experience of it over here?
I'm not one bit concerned by what anyone else thinks, as long as they keep it to themselves.
If they must comment, then they would need to be significantly faster than me, because if they aren't, I will sit on their back wheel for as long as I can telling them how much of a d*ck I think they are.
Exactly, im a complete newbie and big deal if i went and bought the full team sky kit and struggle up a small hill. If im enjoying the sport who are you lot to judge me ? far to many ego's on overdrive0 -
20eyes wrote:If they must comment, then they would need to be significantly faster than me, because if they aren't, I will sit on their back wheel for as long as I can telling them how much of a d*ck I think they are.
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ShutUpLegs wrote:20eyes wrote:If they must comment, then they would need to be significantly faster than me, because if they aren't, I will sit on their back wheel for as long as I can telling them how much of a d*ck I think they are.
Watch out, keyboard warrior alert
Not a keyboard warrior at all, far from it.
Just exercising my right to reply.
Cant understand why anyone would try and make someone feel bad for what they wear when engaging in, what is after all a hobby, a means of keeping fit and healthy and ultimately something positive.0 -
I'm an airsoft player as well as a cyclist and there's this debate that goes on with people and berrets/badges for army units, you get quite a few ex servicemen that play and get offended.
At the end of the day, I can't see the fuss about the KOM/Sprint etc jerseys, if it was that sacred surely they wouldn't sell them? If someone had a go at me for wearing one I would politely tell them to pi$$ off, I personally don't go riding with any pros/ex pros that might be offended by my choice of jersey!
boh67, I totally agree with you, what's wrong with wearing a sky kit and riding about in it, it's not like you'd be entering a race in it pretending to be Mark Cavendish or something. It's only the same as wearing an Arsenal top down the pub. People shouldn't get so hung up on it.0 -
Perhaps you could let us know at what gradient it is no longer acceptable to snigger at struggling riders with fancy gear - 5% maybe, or 10%, or 20%? Or at least tell us what difference it makes what kit they are wearing? While I entirely agree that there are people who like to try and give the impression that they are more impressive than they are, and that such people are indeed pitiable, I take issue in a big way with the assumption that someone is like this just because they have kit, or a bike, that is in some way "too good for them".Slowbike wrote:Quite - shouldn't stop you from having a quiet snigger to yourself when someone with "all the gear and no idea" is struggling up a 2% gradient though - just the same as I expect some other riders do when they see me struggling up a gradient they waltz up ... as long as the only words are ones of encouragement it's all fine by me!
I have some sympathy for the old-fashioned notion of respect for the jersey and what it takes to win it, but I simply look down on snobs who choose to use someone's choice of kit simply as an excuse to look down on them.
DISCLAIMER: I would like to point out, chiefly for my own satisfaction, that I ride with a bike and kit that cost less than £200 all in, and none of my kit could in any way be mistaken for team kit, never mind winners' jerseys - although I do have one that is mostly yellow ;-)0 -
Paul 8v wrote:I'm an airsoft player as well as a cyclist and there's this debate that goes on with people and berrets/badges for army units, you get quite a few ex servicemen that play and get offended.
That's a whole other arguement, albeit similar. The blood, sweat and tears put in by professional cyclists is very different to the blood, sweat and tears put in by soldiers in battle. It's quite easy to see why a veteran would get a little ticked off by someone who wears a Commando Dagger or a DZ Patch because they want to look cool without understanding the weight of wearing it.brompington wrote:I would like to point out, chiefly for my own satisfaction, that I ride with a bike and kit that cost less than £200 all in, and none of my kit could in any way be mistaken for team kit, never mind winners' jerseys - although I do have one that is mostly yellow ;-)
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Normally x-1 where x is the gradient you can ride up without puffing ...bompington wrote:Perhaps you could let us know at what gradient it is no longer acceptable to snigger at struggling riders with fancy gear - 5% maybe, or 10%, or 20%?
You answered your own question!bompington wrote:Or at least tell us what difference it makes what kit they are wearing? While I entirely agree that there are people who like to try and give the impression that they are more impressive than they are, and that such people are indeed pitiable,
- yer, it's too good for them - or to translate "I can't bluddy afford it" ... or possibly "I had to struggle for years on an entry bike - so they should too" ..bompington wrote:I take issue in a big way with the assumption that someone is like this just because they have kit, or a bike, that is in some way "too good for them".
Oo .. some sniggering coming your way when you struggle up a hill - assuming that I can ride it without puffing .... which I doubt ... so you might just get away with it!bompington wrote:although I do have one that is mostly yellow ;-) 0 -
I. never. ever. struggle. up. hills. At least not when anyone's watching :oops:Slowbike wrote:
Oo .. some sniggering coming your way when you struggle up a hill - assuming that I can ride it without puffing .... which I doubt ... so you might just get away with it!bompington wrote:although I do have one that is mostly yellow ;-)0 -
Ah - you have "mechanicals" too thenbompington wrote:I. never. ever. struggle. up. hills. At least not when anyone's watching :oops: 0 -
Slowbike wrote:dw300 wrote:I wear a Yellow Jersey, with a white number on a red background .. if anyone says anything to me about it I punch them in the face.
What - even if they say "nice jersey where dya get it?! " ... nice ..
Do you do a lot of punching?!
White number on red signifies most agressive rider .. punch in the face is an act of agression .. it's like a little cycling joke. Too subtle?All the above is just advice .. you can do whatever the f*ck you wana do!
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dw300 wrote:Slowbike wrote:dw300 wrote:I wear a Yellow Jersey, with a white number on a red background .. if anyone says anything to me about it I punch them in the face.
What - even if they say "nice jersey where dya get it?! " ... nice ..
Do you do a lot of punching?!
White number on red signifies most agressive rider .. punch in the face is an act of agression .. it's like a little cycling joke. Too subtle?
Ah ... yers ... too subtle ... perhaps you can start including hotlinks to explain your jokes for those of us who have little comprehension of road racing! 0 -
Aww, wouldn't be any fun if I have to explain it! I like cracking jokes only some people get.All the above is just advice .. you can do whatever the f*ck you wana do!
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I made the point in a similar thread, why is it unacceptable to go out ACTUALLY cycling in team kit, when its perfectly ok for thousands to sit down the pub watching their favourite footie team play on the TV wearing a team top.
If you were sitting down the pub wearing a cycling team top, you might illicit a few strange looks, but to have this silly velominati rule that wearing a team top while actually doing the sport it was made for is a bad thing? In my view, if wearing a certain top gets you going psychologically for a good session, go for it. If you like the colour, go for it. If you want to show your support for your favourite team, go for it. You ARE cycling after all.0 -
Get your team kits and classification jerseys here and put a smile on the face of a miserable eejit near you.
http://www.all4cycling.com/shop/teams-a ... c-757.htmlI ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
I tend to buy jerseys that are very bright so that other road users see me.
The yellow or KOM jerseys are designed so that the wearers stand out in the peleton aren't they?
Which makes them an ideal choice IMO.
Luckily I have reached an age where my peers opinions are not as important to me as they once were "You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul0 -
I pretty much always wear a Team Sky top. I've been recently thinking about ordering a team Gb top after deciding I actually like it.
My girlfriend has an obsession with polka dots and since I made her watch the Tour she is desperate for me to buy one.0 -
Evidently a guardian columnist has been trawling through this forum for ideas on articles.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/b ... CMP=twt_fd
Personally, I wear team kit, as I'm weirdly OCD about cycling kit and have to wear matching jersey and shorts, and team kits are generally cheap-ish and bright. Get a bit of banter for wearing Astana kit every now and then (where's your gold medal!) but it's all good fun.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Latecomer to this thread... Very interesting polarised opinions, reminds me of those endlessly boring helmet threads...
My take is that if I can afford it and I like it then I will buy it. I have been inspired this year by team sky and team gb and I like their kit so if i can will buy it and wear it with pride and as homage to those great characters and do not feel in any way that I am taking the piss. If I'm doing a sportive I will wear my club kit. Otherwise I will wear what I feel is most appropriate for the ride that day. If anyone has a problem with that then I feel quite sorry for them...0 -
As a newbie who has just got into road cycling, I find all this very off putting. All of this does nothing to promote the sport and welcome in new people. I know of no other sport or activity where some complete stranger who doesn't know me says what kit I can or can't buy.
All the gear no idea? If I had the money I would love to own all the good gear. Why not buy the best bike, jersey, golf clubs that you can afford?
When the football season starts, are they going to tell 60,000 Aresnal fans over the tannoy that every single one of them has to take off their replica shirt inside the Emirates stadium?declan1 wrote:Don't try to be something you aren't; you'll just look like an idiot.
I dont believe for one minute anyone would buy a yellow jersey just to be something they are not, I'm sure people buy it because they like it. Or because its bright yellow and I don't get run over wearing it.Rolf F wrote:This is what the more indignant cyclists don't seem to get! If the UCI didn't want us to wear WC jerseys, it wouldn't licence them for sale.
I think this goes to show the UCI probably cares more about making money than some old school ideas on what you can't wear .dw300 wrote:I wear a Yellow Jersey, with a white number on a red background .. if anyone says anything to me about it I punch them in the face.
This is too true, people forget these days that it's only a matter of time before they gob off at the wrong person. somebody who has no qualms about replying with an instant punch to the face (See naive motorists who have been assaulted because they gave out some verbal road rage)."The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
ben@31 wrote:When the football season starts, are they going to tell 60,000 Aresnal fans over the tannoy that every single one of them has to take off their replica shirt inside the Emirates stadium?
Sadly not. But that could only be a good thing. It might start to get them thinking like individuals rather than herd animals.0
