Olympic RR/TT/TRACK Cycling.. (may contain spoilers)

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,316
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    I was generally asking because I'm interested in bikes, and at the moment, those chosen by the Pro peloton.


    Did you ask Mr Chasey nicely?
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  • phy2sll2
    phy2sll2 Posts: 680
    Love that stock photo of Fuglsang that the olympics website uses.

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    Looks like he went through an "Eddie Izzard meets Robert Smith" stage!
  • phy2sll2
    phy2sll2 Posts: 680
    CyclingNews.com wrote:
    The defending Olympic champion is Italy's Cancellara.

    Can somebody dig up a commentator who knows something about cycling, please?
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    edited August 2012
    TailWindHome wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    I was generally asking because I'm interested in bikes, and at the moment, those chosen by the Pro peloton.


    Did you ask Mr Chasey nicely?
    Yeah I did because, I kept the post short and straight to the point and everything. Suerly it is not unreasonable to ask what consenesus is it that has deemed Pinarellos some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton. I mean should I ever replace my Kharma this is the around the level I would be looking at.

    Anyway; I beginning feel a tad underwhelmed by Team GB's cycling team at the moment (this will hopefully change come Thursday). I'm not feeling that air of dominance felt before and after the last Olympics. Maybe they've put too much pressure and expectation on themselves and/or maybe the new generation, while good, aren't as good as the older generation used to be some four years ago.

    Go on, tell me how wrong I am.
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    We won't win as many medals on the track. 2008 was an anomaly
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    I was generally asking because I'm interested in bikes, and at the moment, those chosen by the Pro peloton.


    Did you ask Mr Chasey nicely?

    Can't see anything in the moderator logs that says a post of yours was deleted.

    I certainly haven't deleted anything.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Why was Nicole Cooke not selected for the TT. Personally don't understand why it seems she has fallen out of favour.
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2012
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Why was Nicole Cooke not selected for the TT. Personally don't understand why it seems she has fallen out of favour.
    Coz she's never been that great at TTs

    Nor has Vos. She didn't go very well either
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    No idea.

    Anyway, they're pretty heavy bikes, the heaviest in the pro-peloton. That's quite well known.

    I heard rumours from more informed people on here that both sky and movistar were keen to jettison them.
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    No idea.

    Anyway, they're pretty heavy bikes, the heaviest in the pro-peloton. That's quite well known.

    I heard rumours from more informed people on here that both sky and movistar were keen to jettison them.
    The revision Sky were using at the tour are quite a bit lighter though...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    JonGinge wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    No idea.

    Anyway, they're pretty heavy bikes, the heaviest in the pro-peloton. That's quite well known.

    I heard rumours from more informed people on here that both sky and movistar were keen to jettison them.
    The revision Sky were using at the tour are quite a bit lighter though...

    Yeah, I heard that sky were demanding that because what Pinerello were offering wasn't good enough.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Wiggins looking good for this.

    Him versus Martin it seems.
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  • walkingbootweather
    walkingbootweather Posts: 2,443
    Wiggins - Gold
    Martin - Silver
    Froome - Bronze

    :D:D:D:D:D
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Wasn't remotely close in the end!
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  • peat
    peat Posts: 1,242
    What a hero. Great for Froome aswell. Just brills.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, it seems to be the consensus that the pinarellos are some of the weaker bikes in the pro-peloton.
    Why was my post, asking for the source of this consensus you mentioned, deleted?

    No idea.

    Anyway, they're pretty heavy bikes, the heaviest in the pro-peloton. That's quite well known.

    I heard rumours from more informed people on here that both sky and movistar were keen to jettison them.

    Dunno where you get your 'facts' from RC, it's not the heaviest bike, and it's certainly not a 'weak' bike, whatever that means. Sky just renewed with Pinarello as well. It's the Shimano gubbins that weigh their bikes down, Movistar use Campag.

    Mondiale's Kuotas - 7.25
    Katusha Canyon - 7.6 kg
    Lampre Willier - 7.35 kg
    Liquigas C'dale Evo - 6.6 kg (+ stick on weight) Sagan's edge?
    Movistar's Dogma 2 - 7.3 kg
    Omega Quickstep Tarmac SL4 - 7.3 kg
    Orica Greenedge Scott Foil - 7.2
    Rabobank TCR SL - 7.5 kg
    Radioshack Madone - 7.3 kg
    Saxo Bank S-works Venge - 7.3 kg
    Sky Dogma 2 - 7.63 kg Just think what Cav COULD do on an Evo.
    Vacansoleil Bianchi Oltre - 6.89 kg
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I vaguely remember reading something about sky going to Pinarello when they first started and said told them the bike's too heavy.

    Your list shows that their bike is the heaviest of the group?

    Here you go: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/pinare ... 98632.html
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,316
    Il Principe wrote:
    Liquigas C'dale Evo - 6.6 kg (+ stick on weight) Sagan's edge?


    TBF Sagan fits a bell to his. That should even it up a bit
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    Liquigas C'dale Evo - 6.6 kg (+ stick on weight) Sagan's edge?


    TBF Sagan fits a bell to his. That should even it up a bit

    Or even frogs.
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I vaguely remember reading something about sky going to Pinarello when they first started and said told them the bike's too heavy.

    Your list shows that their bike is the heaviest of the group?

    Here you go: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/pinare ... 98632.html

    No, it shows that Sky's Dogma2 is the heaviest. Movistar's isn't. So you can't say the Dogma2 is the heaviest bike, you can say that Sky's is. Clearly weight is dependent on what kit you hang on it! Also the list you point to refers to the 2010 Dogma, not the Dogma2.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    We're splitting hairs a bit.

    The bike could be a lot lighter almost a kilo - and given all the marginal gains guff sky put out, you'd think they'd want to address that, right?

    Jeez, a throwaway comment on here and they're on your back ;).
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  • keyser__soze
    keyser__soze Posts: 2,067
    If you'd spent a lot of money on a bike with a fantastic name you might find yourself being a little defensive when others suggest it may not be as good as other brands. Weren't Sky also keen to move to Specialized but had to stick with Pinarello when they matched Spec's offer and the clause in the contract meant they had to stay with Pinarello?
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,768
    Watched the TT in Bushy Park. Great atmosphere, worth bunking off work for.
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Awesome day. Bbq at a mate's house with the family, beer, sunshine, and a great viewing spot on the Portsmouth Road to boot.
    FCN 2-4.

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    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Wiggins for the world TT now?
    "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."

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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We're splitting hairs a bit.

    The bike could be a lot lighter almost a kilo - and given all the marginal gains guff sky put out, you'd think they'd want to address that, right?

    Jeez, a throwaway comment on here and they're on your back ;).

    Talking about 2 different frames isn't exactly splitting hairs is it. You labeled the current Dogma as heavy and then used the 2010 frame to back your argument up. If you're gonna make throwaway comments then at least make sure you're talking about the right frame. :roll:

    Sorry but the "Pinarello's are really heavy guff" jus getting a little tired.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    cjcp wrote:
    Awesome day. Bbq at a mate's house with the family, beer, sunshine, and a great viewing spot on the Portsmouth Road to boot.

    Lucky sod. I managed to catch it on the office TV. Fantastic result, but makes me even more gutted for Cav!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Il Principe wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We're splitting hairs a bit.

    The bike could be a lot lighter almost a kilo - and given all the marginal gains guff sky put out, you'd think they'd want to address that, right?

    Jeez, a throwaway comment on here and they're on your back ;).

    Talking about 2 different frames isn't exactly splitting hairs is it. You labeled the current Dogma as heavy and then used the 2010 frame to back your argument up. If you're gonna make throwaway comments then at least make sure you're talking about the right frame. :roll:

    Sorry but the "Pinarello's are really heavy guff" jus getting a little tired.

    Didn't you just put a list up that put sky's bike as the heaviest? 800 grams heavier than the minimum weight limit?
    Mondiale's Kuotas - 7.25
    Katusha Canyon - 7.6 kg
    Lampre Willier - 7.35 kg
    Liquigas C'dale Evo - 6.6 kg (+ stick on weight) Sagan's edge?
    Movistar's Dogma 2 - 7.3 kg
    Omega Quickstep Tarmac SL4 - 7.3 kg
    Orica Greenedge Scott Foil - 7.2
    Rabobank TCR SL - 7.5 kg
    Radioshack Madone - 7.3 kg
    Saxo Bank S-works Venge - 7.3 kg
    Sky Dogma 2 - 7.63 kg Just think what Cav COULD do on an Evo.
    Vacansoleil Bianchi Oltre - 6.89 kg
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We're splitting hairs a bit.

    The bike could be a lot lighter almost a kilo - and given all the marginal gains guff sky put out, you'd think they'd want to address that, right?

    Jeez, a throwaway comment on here and they're on your back ;).

    Talking about 2 different frames isn't exactly splitting hairs is it. You labeled the current Dogma as heavy and then used the 2010 frame to back your argument up. If you're gonna make throwaway comments then at least make sure you're talking about the right frame. :roll:

    Sorry but the "Pinarello's are really heavy guff" jus getting a little tired.

    Didn't you just put a list up that put sky's bike as the heaviest? 800 grams heavier than the minimum weight limit?
    Mondiale's Kuotas - 7.25
    Katusha Canyon - 7.6 kg
    Lampre Willier - 7.35 kg
    Liquigas C'dale Evo - 6.6 kg (+ stick on weight) Sagan's edge?
    Movistar's Dogma 2 - 7.3 kg
    Omega Quickstep Tarmac SL4 - 7.3 kg
    Orica Greenedge Scott Foil - 7.2
    Rabobank TCR SL - 7.5 kg
    Radioshack Madone - 7.3 kg
    Saxo Bank S-works Venge - 7.3 kg
    Sky Dogma 2 - 7.63 kg Just think what Cav COULD do on an Evo.
    Vacansoleil Bianchi Oltre - 6.89 kg

    Now now children.

    Doesn't seem to be doing the sky boys any harm. Heavy is the new light. :wink:
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We're splitting hairs a bit.

    The bike could be a lot lighter almost a kilo - and given all the marginal gains guff sky put out, you'd think they'd want to address that, right?

    Jeez, a throwaway comment on here and they're on your back ;).

    Talking about 2 different frames isn't exactly splitting hairs is it. You labeled the current Dogma as heavy and then used the 2010 frame to back your argument up. If you're gonna make throwaway comments then at least make sure you're talking about the right frame. :roll:

    Sorry but the "Pinarello's are really heavy guff" jus getting a little tired.

    Didn't you just put a list up that put sky's bike as the heaviest? 800 grams heavier than the minimum weight

    Sky's maybe, not Movistar's. We're talking about the Dogma2 as a frame, not Sky's built up version.

    If Sky really wanted to lose weight they could just put different kit in the frame. My poin is that the frame, I.e the Pinarello bit is not heavy. Sky might make it so, but Movistar show that it doesn't have to be, their version is among the lighter bikes.

    Anyway, enough of this. I shouldn't react to your trolling.

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